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Why is Joshua Chellew less important than Trayvon Martin?

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posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 07:06 AM
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Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by JuniorDisco
 


Well that is sad because we Love you. Regardless of how hate filled you may be. Tell me sir or madam what I have done to make you hate me? I stated that I'm sick of the race card and expanded on that. Because my name is "Christian Voice" and I stated these things you hate Christians? How lonely you must feel.


I dislike you (I mean Christians generally) because so many of you are such crass hypocrites. Above you can't find an iota of sympathy for a dead boy because of his appearance - which is the exact opposite of the message you're always telling us Christ preached.

The race card? Give me a break. Of course African Americans aren't all beyond reproach, but it was less than half a century ago that the last lynchings were taking place, segregation remains within living memory, school busing protests... You think all of this is ancient history and we should all just get along? Black people are three times as likely to be disbelieved when employing a self defence argument. And this whole trial just showed again how Zimmerman was afforded every benefit of the doubt, while a 17 year old kid was gleefully portrayed as a dangerous criminal.

And I dislike you because you're all just obviously in it because you're so insecure. You go right on and keep telling yourself that the big man in the sky will make everything okay and protect you from the poor people and the blacks. It might be the reverse of what he actually said, but screw it, it's about making you feel better, right?




posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 07:47 AM
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Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by Spider879
 


Had nothing to do with fashion. He was up to no good and the hoodie was for concealing his ID plain and simple.


If you're going to take what was presented in court with regard to Zimmerman as gospel you might have the decency to do the same when it pertains to Martin. The Chief of the Sanford police testified that there was no evidence whatsoever that Martin had been engaged in any suspicious or illegal activity.

But of course he looks a certain way, so you know better, right?



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
reply to post by IAMTAT
 


This happens all the time, and yet we are told the system is prejudiced against blacks. Seems the opposite is true. Hate crimes violations are not brought against anyone but whites, as far as I can see, in case after case after case. Justice? Would be nice!


The irony is that this case actually supports the argument of those who got worked up about Martin.

- Martin case: black victim, white assailant (or Latin if you like) - no arrest, victim not even identified

- Chellew case: white victim, black assailants - immediate arrest, no bail.

This is precisely what people got annoyed about with regard to the Martin situation! Well done OP, you have inadvertently described exactly the problem.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:04 AM
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Then why did the coroners report specify that he had pot and "LEAN" in his system a,d had the ingredients to make "LEAN" in his possession?



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:06 AM
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The Martin case was a case of self defense from the very beginning but the very racist blacks insisted on an arrest when it was uncalled for.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by JuniorDisco
 


Then why did the coroners report specify that he had pot and "LEAN" in his system a,d had the ingredients to make "LEAN" in his possession?


It didn't. They didn't test for the latter because it's constituents are legal. He did have cannabis in his system (which also is not technically illegal) but there's no evidence that he was "up to no good" in a manner that Zimmerman could identify.

The chief of police confirmed this. You just want to incriminate a dead kid because... I dunno. It doesn't seem that christian of you tbh.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by DZAG Wright
 


That is bull and completely racist to insinuate that people are arrested just because they are black. Ridiculous. I grew up in one of the most racially divided places on earth and have never witnessed anything of the such. I will ask you this though. What are our prisons filled with mostly?

www.project.org...

So are these completely doctored stats or are all of these black men wrongly incarcerated? I guess our justice system just cannot stand blacks.




Under what rock have you been living? You just addressed your own question when you proceeded to provide a link and state prisons are filled with black men.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by JuniorDisco
 


The Martin case was a case of self defense from the very beginning but the very racist blacks insisted on an arrest when it was uncalled for.


I'm sure you do actually think that black people are more racist than whites. It's a standard trope for people who are, shall we say, not the sharpest. I'm sure you also think it's acceptable for a person to be released after killing a teenager, even though the teenager has not even been identified. Certainly you've bought the right-wing smear of Martin hook line and sinker.

The fact is that Zimmerman probably should have been found not guilty. If you think that exonerates him or makes him innocent then you're crazy.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by Spider879
Walking back to his dad's house with a can of soda and some skittles what was he gonna do mug someone with his soda?? use the skittles to break open a door for a home invasion,do you and ThirdEyeofHorus really know how ridiculous what you typed on your screen reads??..are you that hard-up for him to be that animal you want him to be you just throw as much unsubstantiated mud at his lifeless body and hope it sticks??..sorry and I am about to piss alot of folks off by saying this but people like you should not be allowed anywhere near fire arms, for if that's your true attitude off screen then you constitute a clear and present danger to the community and to self..clearly poster children for gun control.
edit on 16-7-2013 by Spider879 because: just because


You were active in the 300+ page thread, so you know that your claims here aren't based in fact. It's fairly well known at this point that the candy and fruit juice (not tea, not soda) had a use other than a "snack". The autopsy report shows drugs in his system, supporting the claim that he looked "high". The witnesses and evidence support that he committed an assault. Self defense is NOT a crime, and never will be, no matter what the assailant looks like. People that own guns for self defense aren't wrong for being wiling to use the gun to save their life.





What other use did the candy and juice have? "Lean" as you are probably referring to requires a much more important ingredient which I doubt Trayvon had access to. And besides Lean is a Texas drug, not so much Florida.

You see, other out of touch people such as yourselves are so far off base that you allowed a guilty man to go free.

You're so ignorant, you believe trace amounts of weed in his system would be observable through his behavior...LOL..people like you sit and watch tv and read these articles, but you haven't experience life. You make yourselves appear as clowns.

The evidence and witnesses also support that Trayvon was defending himself...



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by Grambler

Originally posted by DZAG Wright[

Are some of you really this dense that you can't see the difference? It isn't so much the crime as the attacker (Zimmerman in the Trayvon case) being released with little more than a pat on the head.

I offer you the same...find a case where the perp is black and he is released...you won't find it. The black guy will be arrested and asked questions later.


Challenge accepted.

Zimmerman was arrested 6 weeks later right, after a national outrage from the media, and even the President interjecting into the case.

Now here is a case where a black man killed a mentally challenged hispanic man and claimed self defense.


But in the Arizona case, the gunman was black and the victim was Hispanic, not the other way around. And, should 22-year-old Cordell Jude be convicted of murder in the shooting of 29-year-old Daniel Adkins, no doubt some people will point to George Zimmerman’s acquittal and say the determining difference was the race of the accused.

The victim in the Arizona case, Adkins, was mentally disabled and was estimated to have a mental age of 13. Adkins was walking his yellow lab, Sandy, in Laveen on the evening of April 3, 2012, when he cut through the parking lot of a Taco Bell. He came around a blind corner of the drive-in lane just as an SUV pulled up. Jude was at the wheel. His pregnant fiancée was beside him.

“What the hell, you almost hit me!” Adkins reportedly exclaimed. “Watch where the f--- you’re going!”

Jude pulled a .40 caliber automatic pistol from the waistband of his sweatpants and fired once. He would say afterward that Adkins had threatened him with a pipe-like object and that he could not drive off because the dog was blocking his way. Police would not find evidence that Adkins had anything but the dog leash in his hand. Sandy remained at Adkins’s side as he bled to death on the pavement.


www.thedailybeast.com...

Happened April 3rd. When was he arrested? July 14th.


Thats about 14 weeks. Where was the medias outrage?

Oh and in this case the suspect admits he wasn't in fear for his life. Also, of course, it was immediately determined race had nothing to do with this case.

That took me about 5 minutes to find. So I assume you will now admit you were wrong and that this wasn't all about race.




Without doing my research into what you provided, I will say great find!

Though...LOL...it didn't take a national outrage for that black guy to be arrested did it? Jesse Jackson or I guess his hispanic equivalent Geraldo didn't have to step in and draw attention? The final result is the guy's black "A" is in jail right?

Another difference, I'm not about to show bias and MAKE EXCUSES for this guy either! I will say he was probably dead wrong. Unlike the Zim supporters who made excuse after excuse and still do.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 09:16 AM
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Do we really want to get into the U.S. history of murderers being pardoned (or not even arrested) by their same race?



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 09:33 AM
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Re: Skittles + Arizona Watermelon Ice Tea


This is a very interesting part of the TRAYVON MARTIN story that is not getting a lot of press. But it was widely reported that the young lad was simply buying "Arizona Ice Tea and Skittles" from the 7-Eleven store.

Turns out that we parents are unaware that there is a drug drink made from Arizona Watermelon drink and Skittles candy and then mixed with OVER THE COUNTER cough medicine (Robitussen and similar brands) that makes a very potent drug. Not only is there now all sorts of evidence popping up that Trayvon Martin was abusing drugs, but it also is a warning to parents all over America that simple combinations of commonly available goods can be some serious drugs in the hands of our kids. The drug is called LEAN or PURPLE LEAN or PURPLE DRANK.

It is very likely that Trayvon Martin was on his way to make some more LEAN the night he was shot, the coroner's report shows that his liver was damaged in a way that is consistent with the use of LEAN/PURPLE LEAN/PURPLE DRANK.

Martin also may have bought a blunt at the convenience store, they empty the tobacco out of the cigar and fill it with marijuana, and he may have smoked it before his encounter with Zimmerman. Marijuana and Purple Lean are a popular combination with rappers and thugs. Keep an eye on your kids and grand kids. Those seemingly innocent items such as Arizona watermelon drink and Skittles the young people are toting around or buying at the store may be a lot more dangerous to them than you think.

You should have to be over 18 years old, and you should have to show ID, to be able to buy cough syrup, to prevent our kids from making Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank. You cannot prevent the kids from buying Arizona watermelon drink and Skittles. Please send this info to every newspaper, everyone needs to know about Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank, and the parents especially need to know.

The newspaper reporters need to do some research on Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank, and they need to report it to the people. Seriously! All of the street rats know what Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank is, and this whole time they knew that Arizona watermelon drink and Skittles are used to make Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank.

Some rappers even sing songs about Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank. But none of us parents had a clue. Parents need to know this info. The newspaper reporters need to do some research on Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank, and they need to report it to the people. Seriously, please send this info to the newspapers so that they can investigate and report. People need to know about Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank.

www.topix.com...
edit on 17-7-2013 by IAMTAT because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 09:45 AM
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Oh that settles it then. He totally deserved to die.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 09:54 AM
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No it does not. This death was a tragedy.
One shouldn't hate facts or new information...it shows a closed mind.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by IAMTAT
reply to post by JuniorDisco
 

No it does not. This death was a tragedy.
One shouldn't hate facts or new information...it shows a closed mind.


I don't "hate facts". I just think they are irrelevant, designed to further demonise the "thug" in the minds of people who want to defend a pretty dreadful situation.

The fact is, as well as being literally irrelevant, this remains conjecture. It's telling that with Martin it is seen as axiomatically true, and damning evidence that he was some sort of gangster. Whereas Zimmerman is afforded the luxury of the benefit of the doubt at every turn.

Obviously that benefit of the doubt is necessary in a criminal trial, but here, where we are discussing what actually happened, I think it's proper to keep some form of equivalency between the two. Especially as one of them is dead and not here to fight his corner.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by IAMTAT
Re: Skittles + Arizona Watermelon Ice Tea


This is a very interesting part of the TRAYVON MARTIN story that is not getting a lot of press. But it was widely reported that the young lad was simply buying "Arizona Ice Tea and Skittles" from the 7-Eleven store.

Turns out that we parents are unaware that there is a drug drink made from Arizona Watermelon drink and Skittles candy and then mixed with OVER THE COUNTER cough medicine (Robitussen and similar brands) that makes a very potent drug. Not only is there now all sorts of evidence popping up that Trayvon Martin was abusing drugs, but it also is a warning to parents all over America that simple combinations of commonly available goods can be some serious drugs in the hands of our kids. The drug is called LEAN or PURPLE LEAN or PURPLE DRANK.

It is very likely that Trayvon Martin was on his way to make some more LEAN the night he was shot, the coroner's report shows that his liver was damaged in a way that is consistent with the use of LEAN/PURPLE LEAN/PURPLE DRANK.

Martin also may have bought a blunt at the convenience store, they empty the tobacco out of the cigar and fill it with marijuana, and he may have smoked it before his encounter with Zimmerman. Marijuana and Purple Lean are a popular combination with rappers and thugs. Keep an eye on your kids and grand kids. Those seemingly innocent items such as Arizona watermelon drink and Skittles the young people are toting around or buying at the store may be a lot more dangerous to them than you think.

You should have to be over 18 years old, and you should have to show ID, to be able to buy cough syrup, to prevent our kids from making Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank. You cannot prevent the kids from buying Arizona watermelon drink and Skittles. Please send this info to every newspaper, everyone needs to know about Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank, and the parents especially need to know.

The newspaper reporters need to do some research on Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank, and they need to report it to the people. Seriously! All of the street rats know what Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank is, and this whole time they knew that Arizona watermelon drink and Skittles are used to make Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank.

Some rappers even sing songs about Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank. But none of us parents had a clue. Parents need to know this info. The newspaper reporters need to do some research on Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank, and they need to report it to the people. Seriously, please send this info to the newspapers so that they can investigate and report. People need to know about Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank.

www.topix.com...
edit on 17-7-2013 by IAMTAT because: (no reason given)




This sounds like it was written by someones grandmother who hasn't left their basement in decades!

Lean is a Texas drink and requires codeine.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 10:19 AM
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All good points JD.
And to the point comparing these two cases (Joshua Chellew and Trayvon Martin), I also posted earlier in this thread J.C.'s arrest record for a DUI and running a stop sign.

I believe both of these deaths of young men are tragedies...but I also believe that when it comes to gaining greater understanding, new facts and new information are never irrelevant.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by IAMTAT
Re: Skittles + Arizona Watermelon Ice Tea


This is a very interesting part of the TRAYVON MARTIN story that is not getting a lot of press. But it was widely reported that the young lad was simply buying "Arizona Ice Tea and Skittles" from the 7-Eleven store.

Turns out that we parents are unaware that there is a drug drink made from Arizona Watermelon drink and Skittles candy and then mixed with OVER THE COUNTER cough medicine (Robitussen and similar brands) that makes a very potent drug. Not only is there now all sorts of evidence popping up that Trayvon Martin was abusing drugs, but it also is a warning to parents all over America that simple combinations of commonly available goods can be some serious drugs in the hands of our kids. The drug is called LEAN or PURPLE LEAN or PURPLE DRANK.

It is very likely that Trayvon Martin was on his way to make some more LEAN the night he was shot, the coroner's report shows that his liver was damaged in a way that is consistent with the use of LEAN/PURPLE LEAN/PURPLE DRANK.

Martin also may have bought a blunt at the convenience store, they empty the tobacco out of the cigar and fill it with marijuana, and he may have smoked it before his encounter with Zimmerman. Marijuana and Purple Lean are a popular combination with rappers and thugs. Keep an eye on your kids and grand kids. Those seemingly innocent items such as Arizona watermelon drink and Skittles the young people are toting around or buying at the store may be a lot more dangerous to them than you think.

You should have to be over 18 years old, and you should have to show ID, to be able to buy cough syrup, to prevent our kids from making Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank. You cannot prevent the kids from buying Arizona watermelon drink and Skittles. Please send this info to every newspaper, everyone needs to know about Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank, and the parents especially need to know.

The newspaper reporters need to do some research on Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank, and they need to report it to the people. Seriously! All of the street rats know what Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank is, and this whole time they knew that Arizona watermelon drink and Skittles are used to make Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank.

Some rappers even sing songs about Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank. But none of us parents had a clue. Parents need to know this info. The newspaper reporters need to do some research on Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank, and they need to report it to the people. Seriously, please send this info to the newspapers so that they can investigate and report. People need to know about Lean/Purple Lean/Purple Drank.

www.topix.com...
edit on 17-7-2013 by IAMTAT because: (no reason given)




This sounds like it was written by someones grandmother who hasn't left their basement in decades!

Lean is a Texas drink and requires codeine.


Well, I am not a grandparent and don't live in a basement (or even in Texas)...and I confess that I had never heard of LEAN...and found this article extremely enlightening.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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Anger is a part of the African American culture (experience) to some extent. Channeling repressed anger must be tough. I have not experienced hate crimes from the black community but certainly, I have seen stupid white people get killed or beaten for being on the wrong side of town with too big of a mouth. Also, I have been called the "token white guy" before, and I have held jobs where I was the only white. My advice to all people, all races, learn the ability to 'adaptive code switch' and understand cultural 'perception checking' to help forge bonds and create friends from different communities (races). Likely 'flexible stereotyping' is often confused with 'racism', know the difference.

The reason that Trayvon is the poster child right now... is that the NAACP and SCLC have just celebrated the 50 yr ceremony for the Nashville student sit ins, and the Freedom Rides. (Summer of 1963) They collect money from the black community whenever events like this get more coverage = they make more money. Fact. So, its a great time to reflect, do so.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 10:51 AM
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This article is shocking and illuminating (if accurate); It purportedly uses actual captures from Trayvon's FB page to make the case that not only drug use, but even drug dealing may have been involved.

Why is this potentially significant?...Because it references possible motivations involved in the case.
CAUTION:


Trayvon Martin Shooting – A year of drug use culminates in predictable violence…



It’s nagged at me since, at various times popping to the front of my mind when Trayvon’s drug use was mentioned, was quickly lost to other distractions. A couple of evenings ago it again came to the forefront of consideration.

This time I decided to dig in, do a little research, and see if there might actually be something to it. What I found was frankly, quite stunning. So much so that it literally made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. After further reflection this drug use aspect may actually lead to the greatest understanding, and key, to the whole case.

Understanding exactly where the mindset was of both Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, and what influences are now readily available and out in the public forum, a number of questions are now finding answers about that evening’s events, most importantly what precipitated and led to Trayvon Martin’s approach toward being questioned by George Zimmerman.


ENTIRE ARTICLE:
theconservativetreehouse.com...
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