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Japan's Blunt Stance Riles China, S. Korea

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posted on Jul, 16 2013 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by marhaba
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
 


I doubt this guy is even a westerner, he sounds very much like a chinese propagandist like this article below.

www.rappler.com...

This is with regards to China's spat against the Philippines accusing the latter of provoking a war with China with its aggression. This is my first time to ever heard a very weak nation that can't even hardly defend itself for a week threatening a giant? It's China who has been encroaching the territories of the Philippines ever since yet they have the gall to announce it's the other way around. China can't be trusted, the former USSR knows it, Vietnam knows it and these two were their former allies!


LOL so now im chinese LOL




posted on Jul, 16 2013 @ 07:09 PM
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ask the Dalai Lama about how life on the run from the Chinese feels and knowing that's a life long situation? 


Oh yes, for poor lama. How could the chinese take his rule away!
A rule that was destroying "his" people with slavery, starvation and
murder!

Lets all feel sorry for the lama and his cronies




posted on Jul, 16 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by Jay-morris
I dont see china starting wars, i see the west starting wars. Bet
i guess thats ok because its the good old west !.Keeping us "safe"



The most serious trouble in recent decades has flared between Vietnam and China. The Chinese seized the Paracels from Vietnam in 1974, killing more than 70 Vietnamese troops. In 1988 the two sides clashed in the Spratlys, when Vietnam again came off worse, losing about 60 sailors.

The Philippines has also been involved in a number of minor skirmishes with Chinese, Vietnamese and Malaysian forces.

The most recent upsurge in tension has coincided with more muscular posturing from China. Beijing officials have issued a number of strongly-worded statements, including warning their rivals to stop any mineral exploration in the area.

The Philippines has accused China of building up its military presence in the Spratlys. In early 2012, the two countries engaged in a maritime stand-off, accusing each other of intrusions in the Scarborough Shoal. Chinese and Philippine vessels refused to leave the area for a number of weeks, leading to rhetoric and protests.

In July 2012 China formally created Sansha city, an administrative body with its headquarters in the Paracels which it says oversees Chinese territory in the South China Sea - including the Paracels and the Spratlys. Both Vietnam and the Philippines protested against this move.

In November 2012, China granted its border patrol police in Hainan the power to board and search foreign ships stopping in its waters or violating other regulations.

Unverified claims that the Chinese navy deliberately sabotaged two Vietnamese exploration operations in late 2012 led to large anti-China protests on the streets of Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City. Vietnam said it would be sending patrols to accompany its fisheries in the area. It also has held live-fire exercises off its coast - an action that was seen as a gross provocation by Beijing.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Look at the map. The Spratly Islands are well outside Chinese territory, yet they're stopping and boarding other countries ships, and have killed their sailors.

No, China doesn't start wars, because their neighbors know they would lose, so they back off, and just let China bully everyone until the Chinese get what they're after.



posted on Jul, 16 2013 @ 09:22 PM
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I'm glad you're able to find something humorous in the invasion, occupation, subjugation and outright rape of an entire nation for over 60 years. You're the first I've come across to see anything funny about it. It's common that people have no idea what atrocities have been wrapped up in the taking and claiming of Tibet, but humor is a new one.

For those who aren't familiar with the fate of a nation once called Tibet (It literally isn't on a world map today.), here is some basic overview.


In the summer of 1990, Iraq invaded Kuwait. This, however, did not result in Kuwait's loss of sovereignty due to a United States lead worldwide coalition which promptly mobilized to expel the invading forces. In 1980, the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, faced years of international outcry and fighting with U.S. backed guerrillas, and finally under great international pressure pulled out in 1985. In 1949, China invaded Tibet, and by 1996 Tibet remains an occupied country. An estimated 1.2 million Tibetans have perished as a result of more than 40 years of occupation and the cultural genocide in Tibet continues unabated, as the world's governments stand by, virtually without action.


It's a fair point they make there and more so by what follows.


Even though the United Nation's General Assembly in 1961 and 1965 passed resolutions recognizing the Tibetans' right to self-determination, the United Nations has taken no steps to restore Tibet's sovereignty. Occasionally, United Nations independent expert bodies draw attention to China's international law violations. However, the political bodies within the United Nations system who are responsible for policy and action, more often than not, refuse to intervene. This year's session of the Human Rights Commission, which under pressure from China, refused to even discuss a resolution on human rights abuses in China, is an example of the United Nations' unwillingness to uphold international law.
Source

It's a deep and complex topic. Complex but not necessarily complicated. China invaded them and points back to a treaty signed under duress and without authority as the basis for it all these years. It's not the right country, apparently and it's the very wrong occupier to pick on ..so the world ignores this one and gives it a big pass. The nation that technically doesn't exist anymore.



posted on Jul, 16 2013 @ 10:01 PM
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The Chinese will keep on expanding - slowly but surely.

Tibet is a lost cause now. There is no point crying over it.

This is the whole point. The United States has failed to act as a true super-power worthy of ruling the entire Earth. USA's actions have been similar to other self-serving powers, just couched in democratic propaganda. There has been a serious gap between talk and action and world has lost confidence in its lone superpower as a result.

NWO has already failed in its objective of Unifying the world under one government. Why? Because its agenda has been hijacked by greed. What remains is a military defeat. Ideological defeat has already happened.

USA as a linchpin of NWO does not have a bright future.

We shall revert back to a multi-polar world 10 years from now. USA will be gone by then and rebuilding after a devastating war would have started.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by GargIndia
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
 


The Chinese will keep on expanding - slowly but surely.

Tibet is a lost cause now. There is no point crying over it.

This is the whole point. The United States has failed to act as a true super-power worthy of ruling the entire Earth. USA's actions have been similar to other self-serving powers, just couched in democratic propaganda. There has been a serious gap between talk and action and world has lost confidence in its lone superpower as a result.

NWO has already failed in its objective of Unifying the world under one government. Why? Because its agenda has been hijacked by greed. What remains is a military defeat. Ideological defeat has already happened.

USA as a linchpin of NWO does not have a bright future.

We shall revert back to a multi-polar world 10 years from now. USA will be gone by then and rebuilding after a devastating war would have started.


Yea I wound'nt go as far as to say that the US will be gone in 10 years, thats a pretty bold assumption, for anyone to say, also I would point out is that the rate of the world at the moment, I'll have to point out that its on the verge of a multi-polar world anyways.
This is NOT backed by facts but when I take a step back and look at the world, I see the US as earths greatest military super power, I see the EU as earths Financial capital, I see China as earths labor force, then a bunch of nobodys....including russia. I would'nt even begin to guess who the breadbasket of the world would be, lile I said, NOT backed by fact, just a narrow minded statement on my part.
China will have resistence regardless during its expansion, I'm curious as to the US response would be when the smaller countries take up arms agaisnt china.
I would'nt be surprised if these smaller nations formed a southern asian union based primarily on mutual defense from china, NOW THAT WOULD BE A BLOCKBUSTER I'LL SIT AND WATCH.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 01:30 AM
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We are pivoting to the pacific they won't have to.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Jay-morris
 


China is a threat because they are building up militarily and laying claim to anything they want to, and bullying their neighbors. They need the resources more than anyone, and are claiming places that they have no right to.


Just like America thats building up militarily and laying claim to anything they want to, and bullying their neighbors. They need the resources more than anyone to?



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 01:48 AM
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Nope, we have to have UN authority or we used to before this presidency.We don't go storm trooping at all.In fact every recent deployment has been an "Economy of Force" effort not "Scortched Earth" which we can indeed still do but rather obviously don't.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 02:28 AM
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I guess your last statement will happen. Japan and the Philippines seems getting cosier despite the old wounds of WW2 and I think the ASEAN bloc will disintegrate as some of its members are too pro-China and a new grouping may come out of this with a common goal, thus of containing China.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Jay-morris
 


China is a threat because they are building up militarily and laying claim to anything they want to, and bullying their neighbors. They need the resources more than anyone, and are claiming places that they have no right to.


Just like America thats building up militarily and laying claim to anything they want to, and bullying their neighbors. They need the resources more than anyone to?

Ummm what? Laying claim to everything? Like what?
Bullying our neighbors? Like who? Mexico? Canada? LMFAO
PLEASE GUY, SMACK YOUSELF AWAKE, YOUR CLEARLY DREAMING.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by Arnie123

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Jay-morris
 


China is a threat because they are building up militarily and laying claim to anything they want to, and bullying their neighbors. They need the resources more than anyone, and are claiming places that they have no right to.


Just like America thats building up militarily and laying claim to anything they want to, and bullying their neighbors. They need the resources more than anyone to?

Ummm what? Laying claim to everything? Like what?
Bullying our neighbors? Like who? Mexico? Canada? LMFAO
PLEASE GUY, SMACK YOUSELF AWAKE, YOUR CLEARLY DREAMING.


When i say neighbors i was referring to Europe making sure that every European country has an American puppet that follows that the American Agenda in all of Europe it was thanks to America that Croatia entered into the failed EU Project, without America's great wisdom and advice they wouldn't enter.

But its nice to see that there are some whom are affected by my remarks whats wrong truth hurts doesn't it? and since when is Iran bullying its neighbors?

Look at this map and you then tell me whose bullying whose bullying who. The next time if you want me to take you seriously dont write in caps thats rather childish.



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posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 10:55 AM
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And unbelievable you get one star for the caps in your post? i am still waiting for you to try and disprove my reply come on do you have any evidence that Iran is the one whose bullying? and please dont post the FOX, CNN sources.
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posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 10:59 AM
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If those flags weren't all over surrounding Iran, the possibility is endless Iran will do a Saddam Hussien and invade every small countries it can take. They wouldn't be called Persians for nothing.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by marhaba
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter
 


If those flags weren't all over surrounding Iran, the possibility is endless Iran will do a Saddam Hussien and invade every small countries it can take. They wouldn't be called Persians for nothing.


I believe i heard this somewhere before to, this is usual how an war monger would try and defend its position on Iran. Even though i am not saying your an war monger.




They wouldn't be called Persians for nothing.


Name one country that Iran have attacked in the last 100 years?
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posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by marhaba
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If those flags weren't all over surrounding Iran, the possibility is endless Iran will do a Saddam Hussien and invade every small countries it can take. They wouldn't be called Persians for nothing.


Yeah... Right.. I'm sure if Iran weren't basically under siege from all directions in military persence (literally by compass) they would just gaze upon the region and remark upon how the world is their oyster and there for the taking.




On the other hand, it might just be a pretty lonely place for the last Shia dominant nation on Earth, either way. ...and one might even understand their insecurities to some degree. Totally aside Israel and before anything Jewish ..they have their own issues that date far back.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 04:10 PM
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So i take it then that he is completely fine with the Saudis (Sunnis) Ruling over the whole region then? by the way the map is a bit false. Iraq is 80% Shia.
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posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
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And unbelievable you get one star for the caps in your post? i am still waiting for you to try and disprove my reply come on do you have any evidence that Iran is the one whose bullying? and please dont post the FOX, CNN sources.
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Yea, because I don't believe that their is anything telling me NOT to post in ALL CAPS. Wow, if all caps ruins your day and makes you fume till you get off work, maybe you need a vacation.
Your seriously using IRAN as your crutch? and you DON"T want me to post FOX or CNN.....yeah I'm not working with your limitations guy, your just going to read what you want to read.
If the US was not their around Iran, it would only be a matter of time before they try to spread their influence, of all the little 3rd world crazies, Iran is like the big top dog of that 3rd world crazy block, that's like the top bully of the midget club. Iran uses subversion and backs terrorist groups, much like we are doing with the FSA.
You should read a book called "Ahmadinejad, the secret history of Irans radical leader"
www.ucpress.edu...
You tell me if Iran is really going to be your crutch on the US bullying people, get your mind right and out the gutter, you clearly have no idea what your talking about, I see and know a hater of the US when I read your post.
We don't need to bully, our shear military power is influence enough, when the Navy does a standard fleet rehearsal, its looked upon as a show of force, people stop and look, gawking at something they can't fathom or even comprehend to what their nation pulls off.
SO NEXT TIME HOW ABOUT USING SOMTHING OTHER THEN IRAN. WE GOOD? PWNED.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by marhaba
reply to post by Arnie123
 


I guess your last statement will happen. Japan and the Philippines seems getting cosier despite the old wounds of WW2 and I think the ASEAN bloc will disintegrate as some of its members are too pro-China and a new grouping may come out of this with a common goal, thus of containing China.

I understand where "Cav" was talking about as the US moves in, we are building installations in Australia, I can also see a union forming our of mutual defense, that is something I can see, maybe Japan, the Philippines and Taiwan...maybe even India and a couple other folks, like Vietnam. I wonder how china was react to that.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 05:40 PM
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Your reply reminds me of an Republican who has being watching to much of FOX news and there lies on Iran just as much we are being lied about Syria and whats this? your source is a book?


From the Bio.

Kasra Naji worked as a journalist in Tehran for many years. He has reported for CNN, the BBC, The Financial Times, The Guardian,

In other words this book is just credible just as that Republicans claim of an Former Iraqi General claiming in his book that Saddam had moved all of the WMDs into Syria, this something that has being grilling all the war monger fans.

Yet in his book he mentions no sources, no evidence to back it up.




You should read a book called "Ahmadinejad, the secret history of Irans radical leader"

His not the president anymore, if Ahmadinejad is radical whats America Goverment? all Fluffy And cute Bunny rabbits dancing?
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