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Is Atheism a religion of War?

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posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 09:10 AM
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Discussing beliefs is one thing, but unending derogatory remarks, as are visible daily in this forum, aren't "reevaluating" anything. A lot of people attack. The OP has a valid point. Plus, claiming no atheists ever started a war is flat out foolish.


I think the more pertinent point would be, did they start a war over their lack of belief in a deity? Or did they start it over social and economic issues?

In which case, atheism is just something people jumped on as a target of blame.




posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by Darkmask
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Uhmm!.....What about the crusades? You saying that Cristians didn't wage war.



That was in response to muslim warriors murdering christian pilgrims everytime they went anywhere. We took that abuse for 400 years. In A.D. circa 700 the Muslim moors pushed up into Spain and were going to take France, but Charles Martel of the Franks managed to raise up an army to repel them and he halted their advance in Spain.

By the time the Crusades rolled around the Pope couldn't even raise an army, none of the Lords and Kings wanted anything to do with that desolation, they refused to waste their money fighting tribes of arab bandits. It wasn't until the Pope promised remission of all sins committed before and during the war that he was able to get anyone there to do anything about it. Godfrey had to sell his castle to raise an army just to go.



posted on Jul, 17 2013 @ 11:05 AM
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You have a point. Christianity, as a large and cohesive unit, has never been the cause for any significant and world renowned wars. I guess their battles are more concerned with the mind and the heart than with the actual body...unless, of course, Africans and witches are involved.



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by shaukuna

The film told about how God asked Abraham to murder his son, for no reason other than "trust me, im god, i made him, made you, so #ing listen, i know better." It was a test of how enslaved his followers were. If you can get a man to kill his own blood because he believes you have good intentions, then really what kind of man is that?

To believe a "compassionate" god would ask a follower something like this, just as a test.... is horrifying.

It was a foreshadowing of what was to follow in/through Jesus, and there too, celestially speaking, there was a type Ram nearby..



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posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Darkmask
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
 
Uhmm!.....What about the crusades? You saying that Cristians didn't wage war.



That was in response to muslim warriors murdering christian pilgrims everytime they went anywhere.


Yup, 2 sides of the same coin though.

Instead of actually rising above em, they sink down to their lvl, not that they were any higher to begin with.

I'm pretty sure muslim pilgrims had been murdered for the same reasons. In the end I find most religions in the end, start chasing groups of people they dont know..... all because they aren't following the same religion.

Once it becomes wars, in which Warriors not only fight other Warriors, but slaughter innocent children,women, # men even. # I bet both sides, have had their own people mixed within the other sides, and in raids, have killed their own in frenzy. The people who likely hold their own faiths, but being in foreign lands, eventually learn to be acceptive and permitting of others or be not surpised when not given such. Yet i'm sure when the muslim/crusading warrior rode by on his horse, picking people off from the crowd, they took their own without thinking.

In REALITY, its just a bunch of people of the same kind, killing their own kind; human. All out of fear that they won't be given their space, and that everyone else is always scheming for total domination, thus why they to have to have such plans.

That is why our planet is in the state its in, why were about to have the 3rd world war (though some claim it already has started).

And why people are stuck doing nothing, just discussing #. Religion is a distraction and hope for the hopeless. I am not hopeless, I am a human in a world filled with other humans, there is potential. Though I will not be able to act upon this potential until more of my fellow humans start taking # into their hands, instead of debating about which invisible hands should be given the tasks we think we can't handle.

It depresses me so much how I yearn for the release of my fellow man from so many of these childish fears, that I reach out despite knowing the responses. Will I start a war though? Will I go out saying, any one group is the cause of all our problems, and that we need to go kill them, and all those who preach their ideas? Nope. This is because, even though you are all "adults" I realize you are still but children, clinging to your blankets because of your fears of the dark. You are still innocent in my eyes, and I do not harm the innocent. A lot of the religious people like to feel they believe similiar ideas, but of course their wars still claim those who actually are... still innocent children.

It is time to grow up, it is time to give up your blankets, to grow up, and take responsibility.



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
 


You have a point. Christianity, as a large and cohesive unit, has never been the cause for any significant and world renowned wars. I guess their battles are more concerned with the mind and the heart than with the actual body...unless, of course, Africans and witches are involved.


Africans are warrior nations, witches (pagan murdered by fundimentalist christians). I thought Jesus taught a method of passivity, VERY EASTERN (buddist/hindu) in thought, the western turned that idea upon its head as it gave rise to any/all opportunity to land grab, steal, destroy cultures in mesoamerica, inflict infectious disease. I would say Christianity as the "PRIMARY PUNDIT" #1 for all world religions has done great harm in the name of Nation building and that includes the United States of America. Islam is a close second in this day and age.
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posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 06:25 PM
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LOVE your signature!


So someone understands, what a relief that I'm not the only one.



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by vethumanbeing
 

LOVE your signature!


So someone understands, what a relief that I'm not the only one.


Absolutely, glad you got it! You are not the only one (fly watching on the wall dragonfly on the lily pad), wondering when the frog joins us; a potencial demise.
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posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 06:40 PM
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I've heard that the universe might have been created by God committing suicide in the anticipation that he might live again to see the light of day..

"I am the resurrection and the life!"

Maybe "the frog" is already among us but we just cannot see the forest for the trees..



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally NOT posted by Vethumanbeing

GOD IS A COMEDIAN WHOSE AUDIENCE NEGLECTS TO LAUGH




You seem to have made a slight adaptation on a theme, not that I’m here to judge. I rather like the changes, very intriguing. In your version, God isn’t even playing, and the audience aren’t even afraid lol



God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." –

Francois Marie Arouet



MY response to Voltaire would be…

On the day I discovered God, I couldn’t stop laughing lol


- JC



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Darkmask
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
 
Uhmm!.....What about the crusades? You saying that Cristians didn't wage war.



That was in response to muslim warriors murdering christian pilgrims everytime they went anywhere. We took that abuse for 400 years. In A.D. circa 700 the Muslim moors pushed up into Spain and were going to take France, but Charles Martel of the Franks managed to raise up an army to repel them and he halted their advance in Spain.

By the time the Crusades rolled around the Pope couldn't even raise an army, none of the Lords and Kings wanted anything to do with that desolation, they refused to waste their money fighting tribes of arab bandits. It wasn't until the Pope promised remission of all sins committed before and during the war that he was able to get anyone there to do anything about it. Godfrey had to sell his castle to raise an army just to go.


POPE Urban raised an army in 1026, and used the templars (french normans) to do so. The Turks were the major obstical; based on faith these knights basically conquered an already dead civilization, starved without riches at all. This was the beginning of the destruction/taking of Templars lands and causing the fleeing to the northern British Isles. This is when Freemasonry decided once and for all to not back the Pope as untrustworthy and ungodly thereby not Catholic.
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posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Joecroft
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Originally NOT posted by Vethumanbeing
GOD IS A COMEDIAN WHOSE AUDIENCE NEGLECTS TO LAUGH


You seem to have made a slight adaptation on a theme, not that I’m here to judge. I rather like the changes, very intriguing. In your version, God isn’t even playing, and the audience aren’t even afraid lol


God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh."

Francois Marie Arouet
MY response to Voltaire would be…On the day I discovered God, I couldn’t stop laughing lol
JC


The only thing I did was enlarge the letters of the signature; if thats a slight adaptation, so be it. How are you by the way? God is not playing, god is the puppeteer and expecting the play to go as scripted. His audience does not see the point or joke and may be confused: (IS THIS A COMEDY OR TRADGEDY). Throw tomatoes or roses? If we call for author author will Shakespeare appear or God Almighty? Voltaire would initially say this: "On the day God reveals himself to me I will/would/could die laughing" as now Im far too late (behind the eight ball) in burial preparations. Francois Marie Arouet is correct as well; harsher. MINE IS BETTER; kinder and more forgiving.
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posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 07:39 PM
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I've heard that the universe might have been created by God committing suicide in the anticipation that he might live again to see the light of day..


Interesting. It certainly would make sense, in a metaphorical way...



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 07:43 PM
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I thought Jesus taught a method of passivity, VERY EASTERN (buddist/hindu)


Interesting you should make such a comparison, considering Buddhism was born about 400 years BCE (Before the Christian Era). Hmmm...and you know, we never did learn all those years Jesus was traveling. There's at least - what, 10 years? 15? All missing. You never know where he might have gone, or what he might have learned. Maybe he visited the Buddhists. Maybe he picked up a thing or two. You never know.



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by NewAgeMan
 



I've heard that the universe might have been created by God committing suicide in the anticipation that he might live again to see the light of day..


Interesting. It certainly would make sense, in a metaphorical way...


Id say, never contempated that scenario; but this is one tricky puzzle and nothing would surprise me. My understanding is just one of division of oneself, so in so doing (the God Aspect) looses parts of itself to create new parts separate under a completely different and separate domaines (the 12 universes).



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by vethumanbeing
 



I thought Jesus taught a method of passivity, VERY EASTERN (buddist/hindu)


Interesting you should make such a comparison, considering Buddhism was born about 400 years BCE (Before the Christian Era). Hmmm...and you know, we never did learn all those years Jesus was traveling. There's at least - what, 10 years? 15? All missing. You never know where he might have gone, or what he might have learned. Maybe he visited the Buddhists. Maybe he picked up a thing or two. You never know.


I believe he went to the Orient east, not the Occident west--that was Pauls domaine; and learned all of those traditions when between the ages of 19 and 29. His Godfather was a wealthy metal (tin) merchant and owned the ships to take him on these journeys in his trading; it was the opportunity or path he had to strengthen the basis of his initial belief system, Judaic, that he foresook or tryed to combine the two; so I suppose was a blasphemer. He had as an Essene trained from 6 to 12 years at Qumran the truth to begin with, and had to experience the Eastern traditions to combine them into a whole. Guess what? IT DID NOT WORK. I am fairly certain this was supposed to be the initial path/sword of understanding of his teachings and it FAILED. Who is to blame for this?
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posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally NOT posted by Vethumanbeing
The only thing I did was enlarge the letters of the signature; if thats a slight adaptation, so be it.


Huh …But you changed X n Y and Z…



Originally NOT posted by Vethumanbeing
How are you by the way?


Good thanks… I have questions, and I feel you’re the ONE I need to be asking…but now is not the time, nor the place…



Originally NOT posted by Vethumanbeing
God is not playing, god is the puppeteer and expecting the play to go as scripted.


Aha…hence the changes…you’ve improved upon the original, like many did before you, like they did, for example, with the incandescent light bulb…



Originally NOT posted by Vethumanbeing
His audience does not see the point or joke and may be confused: (IS THIS A COMEDY OR TRADGEDY). Throw tomatoes or roses? If we call for author author will Shakespear appear or God Almighty? Voltaire would initially say this: on the day God reviels himself to me I will/would die laughing.





Originally NOT posted by Vethumanbeing
Voltaire would initially say this: "On the day God reveals himself to me I will/would/could die laughing" as now Im far too late (behind the eight ball) in burial preparations. Francois Marie Arouet is correct as well; harsher.


Shame about the burial thing, there’s normally a trick shot available on the 8 Ball...



Originally NOT posted by Vethumanbeing
MINE IS BETTER; kinder and more forgiving.


One should be judged by the greats in ones chosen field of excellence; only then can one truly know, how good one is.

For what it’s worth, I think yours is better lol…not that I’m great or anything, that would be Herod Antipas department…


- JC



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by Joecroft
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Originally NOT posted by Vethumanbeing
The only thing I did was enlarge the letters of the signature; if thats a slight adaptation, so be it.

One should be judged by the greats in ones chosen field of excellence; only then can one truly know, how good one is.

For what it’s worth, I think yours is better lol…not that I’m great or anything, that would be Herod Antipas department- JC


Very funny Joe, but I had no idea a 'frenchy' came up with a similar signiture to mine in the 19th century; although I give credit to imagination, they have no role/aspect or comment in the current century (film industry; existencialism gets a pass). Herod the Great is Great no matter what you have to say about yourself otherwise.



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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I've heard that the universe might have been created by God committing suicide in the anticipation that he might live again to see the light of day..


Interesting. It certainly would make sense, in a metaphorical way...


"I am the resurrection and the life!."


But as my father (first/last cause, Alpha and Omega, Absolute) sent me, even so send I, you.

It's organic, a living thing, which never passes away because it's in Spirit, and Truth.

"God is Spirit and Truth" (to the woman at the well).

It's a fundamental reframe that changes everything, while placing us quite literally at the center of all creation, without at the same time lasping into narcissistic solipsism.

Evolutionary mystic, would describe the person who contemplates this without removing himself from the equation by calling himself and his own personal experience just a "thing" of some kind, easily discarded as fluff when in truth his own experience is the most essential factor and ingrediant, so we need to look at these thing from an all-INclusive perspective, recognizing that well that WE'RE here, that we made it, and that indeed everything was made by the father through and for the son and extended in communion (and consumation) therefrom to anyone who is hungry or who thirsts. (remember, this is spiritual allegory nothing more or less).

I am just asking you to consider it from a whole new perspective, in particular what it means for us as human beings also, as brothers and sisters in one family, at core.

What a wonderful world it could be and is, the moment it's realized by a conscious observer capable of appreciating it, once we're included and already here.

I can see how the Spirit might fill a human being without limit or boundary.. it makes sense that an ideal can be realized even as a present moment state of being that is not and could never be an imposition upon the mind and the heart, of man.



posted on Jul, 18 2013 @ 09:30 PM
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HERE HERE; New Age Man you have my vote for my benevolent NEW creator, you would be of fairness and gentle ferocity (if needed) with a sense of humor God lacks or is hiding, gavel sound now prominent.

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