reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Go back and read Isaiah 59. How many people are discussed in this? First, God. Second, Lord, who is actually doing the speaking. Isaiah, who is
the scribe. The Lord then says, we. We, meaning, us and Him. Lord is the Son of God. God is God. All four parties are the discussion of one
nation under the leadership of the Lord. At the end of this and at the heart of Psalms, what are we seeing? Lamenting of the Son in the wilderness.
David was the pen in hand, but the Lord was the speaker in Psalms.
This is a paradigm shift to see that the Lord is the the God, yet he IS the God of the Hebrews.
So many of these verses must be seen by the light of the Son in the wilderness, alone as the God of man. Read this one:
6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no
---What do we make of this. Lord is a King over a nation. Redeemer is the Lord of Hosts (Many). He is the First one Created. Yes. And He is the
Last (Adam). Beside Him, there are no others to lead. In other words, the words of Jesus ring out. "My God, My God, why hast thous forsaken me."
Are you seeing what I see in this or am I alone here? When the Son of God occupies the Cosmos (IMAGE), He is the creator and He is also the Lord of
this Creation, but not the God of Genesis 1. He is the God of Genesis 2, left alone to rule this universe. God is there raising Him, just as our
Lord is here raising us. Don't we feel the same? Why are were here in this wilderness alone?
7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming,
and shall come, let them shew unto them.
---If you read the text the way I do, you hear the Lord struggling with this entire thing. We get the feeling of the Lord having a heavy heart for
the people He selected to lead and their rebellion against him.
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me?
yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any].
---When we are involved here in baptism, do we know if there is a God out there somewhere. What is He declaring here? He knows no other God. In
other words, if there is one, he doesn't know it.
As we find Jesus speaking to the Father, what do we see in Him? A Father guiding him to the end, yet requiring the sacrifice for the place he
Created. Who is Adam and why is he the last Adam as well? Why is He the firstfruits of what follows? Once we no longer need a Lord, who do we meet
behind the veil?
This gives new meaning to loving enemies, forgiveness and seeing the atrocities in the OT. The Son was being raised and it really took me a long time
to see past the arrogance, then humility of the Lord.
Go back to Job 19:
25 I know that my redeemer[c] lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.[d]
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet[e] in[f] my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!
28 “If you say, ‘How we will hound him,
since the root of the trouble lies in him,[g]’
29 you should fear the sword yourselves;
for wrath will bring punishment by the sword,
and then you will know that there is judgment.[h]”
Job knew who the redeemer would be. The root of the trouble was in him. We cannot hound the Redeemer, but this is precisely what we see people doing
today. They trample themselves. We are all the Son and from the Son. He is a reflection of us and we of Him. He is who we can be by rising to His
example at the end of His story. You ask yourself, "Why wasn't he at the right hand the entire time?" He was being raised. The struggle in the Word
is truly our struggle. I forgive Adam and I think this is the point. When we wake and know our connection to God, we see that God is one. Not that
we are God, but that our expression is from God. In essence He is us.
Take it another way. God involves into the material world as Spirit, yet forgets Himself. He then rises to remember. This is the essence of
involution and evolution, yet what is created? The new thing never looses its identity. God was the one, yet the many are still the one. The same
is true for the first one that was imaged from God, the Son.
I can't pretend to understand it, yet I don't want to say we are all God. This is not the point as far as I can see. Like Abraham, we keep what we
were willing to give up. The son.
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