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65% of USA residents are ILLEGAL ALIENS...are you included?

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posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 01:48 PM

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by sleepdealer

Originally posted by Thorneblood
Ummm. No? If you were born in America then your an American.

We won, it's our now, get over it.

Look what a primitive mentality we have here. And look at those stars- at least you're not alone in your idiocy.

And so you believe that people should be allowed to come in to the US and just live here and get amnesty just because they want to? What kind of thinking is that? It is disrespect for the laws of this country and every other country. Just go over to Mexico and try this and see what happens. Just because you think people should have free reign to go wherever they want at any time doesn't make it right or legal.

Having the right to share the planet without killing others to prove your superiority is what this thread is about. The hypocrisy that is enjoyed by a great deal of you is laughable

The WORLD is not a possession, it is a gift of nature to be shared with all.

posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 01:53 PM
I love how my last post was just passed on. I guess ill just go on being a stereotype to pity. Thanks op!

posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 01:54 PM
Oh come on, humans move about in the world. Find me some evidence that shows that the current indigenous people of the Americas were here since time began. I doubt you can. Lets take a quick look at the Southwest. The Navajos didn't even get to the Southwest until the 1400's. They got there because they were in motion. The Spanish show up about 100 years later in the same region. More humans in motion. But wait, go back 12k years and supposedly there is some evidence of inhabitants of the region (See Sandia Cave ). So more humans in the area and thus in motion. We're always going to be in motion. Land is going to changes hands either forcefully or due to others abandoning said land while they move on. Look, it sucks what our (USA) government did to these people. If it makes you feel better, you deed your personal property back to the people who held it before you. But my point is that how can you know that they didn't take the land from a weaker group before them. Anyways, I was born in this county, and that makes me as native as anyone.

Since this is ATS, perhaps the planet originally belonged to the greys. And they think we (Humans) all are illegal immigrants.

posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 01:56 PM
reply to post by soulpowertothendegree

Clearly you have never read a history book, and know nothing of the conquest of America, and the events leading to the colonization of N America by the British.

Latin Americans deserve no pass. Their countries are horrible places due to their own culture. If you knew anything of history, you would know this.

Nobody has any forever claim to territory.

posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 02:59 PM
Another "we are all hypocrites" thread. How insightful and original. You know, there still is no absolute proof that everyone has a foul odor in their excrement. There's some motivation to start a thread. Let us wax on the obvious; that way, everyone feels smart... perhaps even guilty (bonus!).

posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 03:01 PM

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by randyvs

The reason applications have that question is so that they can fulfill the government quotas on hiring minorities. It is legal discrimination against Caucasians basically. Isn't that a great way to celebrate the Independence of America from Britain?

I suppose the answer to that question posed in such manner would be yes.
Excluding any benevolent citizenry of Britain of course. I think the fact white
america was capable of unionizing also plays a heavy hand here. Corporate
america will have it's revenge one way or another. Even if it's thru generations.

reply to post by soulpowertothendegree

The WORLD is not a possession, it is a gift of nature to be shared with all.

Your only half right. The eath is a gift, but nature isn't capable of gift giving. GOD IS !
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posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 03:13 PM
reply to post by soulpowertothendegree

Better start packing White people, you are all here illegally according to the laws written by illegal immigrants.

Who wrote those laws? I understand your sentiment, but your facts are questionable. Americas were sparsely populated, some of the few great societies that were along the Mississippi were wiped out by disease. Lewis and Clark documented those they encountered. Basically lots of land was empty of people. Native Americans got a raw deal to be sure. At least they are still around, the poor Neanderthals disappeared when humans came around Europe. Look at Canada now, its a big country that is basically empty compared to the US. Most of the population lives within a hundred miles of the US border.


posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 03:15 PM

Originally posted by soulpowertothendegree

I have news for you, 65% of you are illegal. This land was stolen from the indigenous tribes of Indians from European settlers; by fruits of the "poisonous tree" any and all ancestry connected to the population that currently resides here are thereby "illegal aliens".

Do you make the rules? It seems the rules that the world has followed for the past 20,000 years is the victor has all rights afforded. Name a county today that was not created by the victors but by the indigenous people and I'll name 50 to 100 that were created by the victors.

So I was born in North America, both my parents were born here, so if I'm not of North America what am I of?

The people who came here 12,000 years ago came from China so does that mean China owns America? Wait those from China came from Africa so I guess Africa owns the world.

posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 03:27 PM
We might as well ALL go on welfare and crash the government once and for all. Then have anarchy with bilingual and trilingual people all over the place. This is exactly what the globalist bilderbergers want and they are getting it.

Between the massive offshoring, out of control automation and the encouragement of illegals, and a president that pretends to be stupid/uninformed its only a matter of time.

What happened 250 years ago is not rellevant for today.

I am sure mexicans don't want people from belize, guatemala, cuba, dominican republic to enter their country.
I don't think englishmen want a massive influx of asians or middle eastern arabs.

Its not just what americans want. What causes people to migrate? Is it agenda 21 or something else? Is it the bankers in cahoots with the wanabe elitist and racist policitians that cause everything or something else? Everything has its reasons for happening, cause and effect. Get rid of those politicians and vote in new ones, its really better than having to migrate for jobs and respect.

posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 03:58 PM

There is analogously no difference between the invasions of the European White Man and that of the Hun (barbarians) that invaded the Roman Empire. The White Man was a savage in the American Indian mindset because he raped Mother Nature and chased them from their ancestral lands. A perfect example of the early times of the White Man’s incursions into the heart of the American Indians’ homeland was the killing of tens of thousands of Buffalo taking their hides and leaving behind their rotting corpses on the landscape of the prairies. The shame of it forced their descendents in later generations to come up with the egregious excuse that the early settlers was trying to destroy the American Indian religion when in fact it was all about profit and greed: this example is not to discount the atrocities, massacres and mayhem towards the indigenous populations but also consider the infinite amount of examples of inconsiderate waste, deliberate spillage and premeditated damage to the lands and forests as far as the eye could see, the unconscionable pollution of the air and the senseless poisoning of the continental water tables: all collectively Mother Nature. Destroying the Buffalo may have taken away the American Indian’s main food staple and clothing of the times but it did not take away their belief in the Great Spirit, which is not housed in an icon rather it is housed in the heart: something the White Man has yet to learn.

posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 04:02 PM
This is hardly news! I hesitate to say the founders of this country because they didn't so much find anything as steal it, but they were primarily British jerk offs who thought they had some god given right to take anything they damn well pleased. We glamorize our forefathers as if they were some sort of saviors. So few of us know much history beyond the glossed over b.s. taught in the public schools, but one thing is for certain, there is a distinct air of superiority taught in regards to our forefathers. As if they had more of a right to call this place their own and anyone descended from them must be the rightful people of the land by proxy.

I was born here, I consider this my home, but the land belongs to no one. My ancestry is Scottish, English, and Apache Indian. Better known as a mutt LOL, but I consider myself American. When we all die, this land still belongs to no one and our stupid little laws about who does or does not belong on the land will mean nothing. I really don't care where a person is from, if they live in a place, call it home, are a productive member of society who gives to the better of us all rather than takes away, then spiffy... have fun, I'll be happy to call you neighbor. There are plenty of people who are supposed legal citizens of this country who are nothing but a drain on the system, they take away from society and lower it as a whole. That is the sort of people I have a problem with, legal or not legal.

We have this weird sort of idea that we are entitled to call a place ours, to say who can or can't call it their home. As if we have some god given right to make such decisions, but I guess we are not so far removed from the founding fathers after all. I am ashamed of who some of my ancestors are, even some of my Apache ancestors. Most native Americans didn't believe the land actually belonged to them, not in the same way that people do today or that our forefathers did. I doubt many would claim ownership or inherent right over it in the same way the British did. That said, I was born here, I consider this my home and all I can do is do my best to contribute to society in a positive way.

posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 06:55 PM

Originally posted by soulpowertothendegree
reply to post by Dark Ghost

Nope stating what has been conveniently forgotten. The forefathers of this country were the criminals of England and all they did was come here and steal some more and murder Indians.

Are you referring to the Founding Fathers, or just settlers in general? Because the settlers were not necessarily criminals, but indeed many of them were shipped here as indentured servants(read:slaves), and some came because they were persecuted in their religious beliefs. As for killing Indians, perhaps you are confusing the original Boston Tea Party who actually dressed as Indians and dumped tea in the harbor as a protest against taxation with early settlers who had skirmishes with dangerous and warring tribes. You forget how many scalps adorned the belts of such as who might have raided entire villages and murdered women and children in their desire to run Europeans off the land.
what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
By the way, I did not see references in your original post to murder.
Many people tried living peaceably together. Have you been so brainwashed by revisionist history you don't know any of this?
Also, I wondered if you knew that the Spanish conquistadors invaded South America first, and perhaps many of those who come here over the border even have Spanish and perhaps even Moorish blood in their family tree, as many from Africa invaded Spain first, and breeded with the women there. Perhaps even you have Moorish blood without even realizing it.
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posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 08:06 PM
reply to post by soulpowertothendegree

Why do you give a pass to the blacks? Isn't that rather racist on your part.

posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 10:04 PM
Sorry to break it to ya, buddy. But I didn't "immigrate" here. I was born here. Tell me, being half european and half korean, born on american soil, where should I go then, if I'm an "Illegal"? Pft. Give me a break.

posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 10:21 PM
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posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 11:14 PM
All I can tell you is that there is nothing out there to allow the kind of freedom you enjoy iby way of the US Consitution and Bill Of Rights.

Colonialism in the past was largely thought of in the same way that SOME OF YOU think its okay to walk dogs on a leash. Its creepy to see the way dogs seem to like it though; maybe that's the same thing as watching illegals come into this country and turn into socialists, taking on that leash, as they try to get what they need for self and family.

Try walking a cat on a leash. Or for that matter a "Native American". Some animals and some peoples have more dignity than others I've noticed. I hope we don't start wearing that leash as if its a thing of pride. Be proud of embracing real human virtue, not servitude.

At any rate, if you have empathy generally for humanity, you must realize that our Bill Of Rights is unique. So why is the discussion turned into a wedge issue if this is really about preserving human dignity and preserving or re-establishing the best possible system of government and society for our children? Gangs and the military do anything at the behest of masters. Don't be a slave. Having been a part of our unique system of government might not be something to give you a halo, but if you care about the future and see the way the technological future is being developed around us, don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

posted on Jul, 13 2013 @ 11:45 PM
Read all or don't respond. Unfortunately for you, you are completely wrong. No nation with widespread laws existed in the United States when Europeans began coming to North America. How can one steal a country from the Indians when no country existed in the first place? And as far as stealing land from the Indians, it is true they occupied much of the land of the US at one time, but as accepted all over the world, military conquest entitles one's nation to lands that are won in war. That is the plain truth of the matter.

And there is this misconception that the passive indigenous people of what is now the United States simply were peaceful, and that the mean US government exterminated them for no reason at all. The truth is that the Indians were must have felt they were entitled to all the land, and did not want to share, since they repeatedly attacked people attempting to settle in "their" lands. So since they did not seem to have an open policy of sharing, they can then lose land via conquest. They wanted to keep people out, and they lost.

I will say that not all tribes behaved in this manner however. The US government did in fact treat Indians with little respect and human dignity, among other things, and did in fact lie and cheat them out of the land they were living on. But unfortunately this was a direct result of the lack of social development on the part of the Native Americans. Had they been more advanced socially and scientifically, not only would they have been better equipped to deal with the problems they faced, but they also would have gotten much more respect from the US government and its people.

I am not saying the government was right by any means, because they were not. But then again, many of the Indian tribes behaved in a bad way as well. And some did this long before they had an actual reason to, other than wanting to protect what they thought was theirs. And if someone believes land to be theirs, they should be able to lose that land via conquest, simply because that is how things work in the world of today, and the world of the 18th and 19th centuries. There are many more pieces to this puzzle though, and I am dwelling too long on this one aspect of the issue.

Once the USA was established, things changed. Immigration has always been encouraged in America, and there is a reason for that. And anyone who comes to America should be willing to obey the laws of that country, and behave in a lawful manner. We welcome these types of people with open arms.

BUT, illegal immigrants are, right off the bat, showing everyone that they have absolutely no respect for the laws of the US. That fact cannot be argued. I have personally been involved in the process of helping a person gain citizenship in America, and the process can take a little time, but it is fairly simple. These illegals do not do things the right and legal way because they just don't care about anyone else, or anyone else's laws.

They either are not willing to wait for status, or more likely, they don't want the government to know they are here. Why? Because they don't want to pay the same taxes that a citizen must pay. They are undermining our economy and government by their unfair and illegal practices.

So no one can claim that these are just poor and honest people who come to America to find work. If this were the case, they would come here legally. But they don't want to have to pay these monies. Do you know how much money that many families and people pay to "guides" to illegally bring them over across the US border? Thousands of dollars. If they can afford that, they can pay the little money it may cost when it comes to gaining citizenship. I mean that is utterly ridiculous.

I have seen illegal immigrants driving a better vehicle than I drive as well. Here is what they do...They come to the US illegally, don't have to pay any taxes on their wages because they work off the books, they don't buy insurance but instead clog up all of the free and cheap clinics we have, and SOMEHOW they get government assistance much of the time. Not only are they not paying or contributing in any way to our society, they are taking away from it to a great degree. I mean it is so ridiculous that something must be done.

Deportation should be happening on a huge scale, because as I said, they are hurting our country, not helping it. Why would I want to allow a bunch of people who have proven themselves to be lawbreakers to enter my country? Now if they came here legally, and paid taxes, etc., I wouldn't really care one bit. I would encourage this type of immigration. But the majority of them don't do that.

And then ignorant people claim that we stole the land from the Indians, and they use this poor argument to justify their illegal actions, or those of the people they support to come here illegally. Even IF the land was "stolen" from the Indians, which it wasn't, HOW DOES THAT justify or pertain to breaking American laws? It does not.

posted on Jul, 14 2013 @ 01:09 AM
I have to say that this is the first thread I have posted to in a long time, other than my own.

I also have to say that I am ashamed of the ignorance of some of my fellow Americans.
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posted on Jul, 14 2013 @ 01:52 AM
I am appalled by the pretensious attitude of some of the posters in this thread ! Where is your humanity ?! We are one people, we are all brothers and sisters on this earth and it we should be allowed to live where we choose.

You have your land because you slaughtered a race of people, instead of assimilating peacefully.You have no right to your land, you got lucky and where born who you are.


posted on Jul, 14 2013 @ 02:18 AM

Originally posted by Sacri

You have your land because you slaughtered a race of people, instead of assimilating peacefully.You have no right to your land, you got lucky and where born who you are.

Welcome to the human race...ALL lands have been fought over...well maybe not Antarctica, but every square inch of the planet other than that place has blood on it. The world has no right to any land by your once again my parents and I were born in America, what land do I have rights to? I'm also not related to a single person who "fought the Indians".

So just because my grand daddy was a horse thief that makes me one too? I thought we got away from this illogic a long time ago.

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