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Originally posted by dragonridr
Originally posted by badgerprints
People need to look further back in mideast history.
No matter who is in charge or who hates who in Egypt, all guns eventually point towards Israel.
Those F-16's will be used eventually.
Six Days of War by Michael Oren would be a great place to start reading if you really want to understand the middle east military mindset.
There are safe guards without replacement parts within 2 yrs will be non operational one year if they fly them around to make hearts in the sky like i saw in another thread.And dont believe we cant hack into the avionics any time we want.
"The Obama administration’s reputation for competence on foreign policy has less to do with its accomplishments in Afghanistan or the Middle East than with how U.S. actions in that region have been reshaped to accommodate partisan political concerns.”
Originally posted by Kram09
Can we please make a distinction here, as once again American members are questioning why is Obama doing this etc.
Do you actually think there would be a different policy if there was a different President?
The huge arms corporations are the problem and the fact they are practically in bed with the government. There's your problem. The political establishment of the United States will flog weapons and arms to whoever they feel like as long as it fills the coffers of Boeing or Raytheon etc.
I recommend this book on the global arms trade as it's a huge eye opener.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Kram09
Great post.
Sorta like how Russia is making lots of coin off of supporting Assad over in Syria with arms sales.
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Please note that I was asking jigger for a citation, not you. You're the one who came in stomping and shouting that I don't need any citations because you know more than I do, which you have yet to prove.
And if you've looked around lately, the MB are not the only ones who have a problem with Israeli policies.
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Please note that I was asking jigger for a citation, not you. You're the one who came in stomping and shouting that I don't need any citations because you know more than I do, which you have yet to prove.
And if you've looked around lately, the MB are not the only ones who have a problem with Israeli policies.
I'm not trying to prove anything here. Just chatting on what I've heard, and feel free to enlighten me on what you've heard. I remember hearing that when the MB won the election, they made it known that their goal was to destroy Israel. If this is not so, if you didn't hear it, oh well, let's move on to another thread with a different topic. I will not spend my days hunting down verifications for everything I say.edit on 7/12/2013 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)
Morsi addressed the nation just hours after the official announcement, and affirmed his plan to act as a figurehead for the entire country, not just those loyal to the Muslim Brotherhood.
“I will be a president for all Egyptians: Muslims, Christians, the elderly, children, women, men, farmers, teachers, workers, those who work in the private and public sectors, and the merchants,” Morsi said in his address.
www.thedailybeast.com...
Cairo (CNN) -- Hours after being declared his nation's first democratically elected president, Mohamed Morsi vowed late Sunday to represent all Egyptians, and he urged his countrymen to put aside their differences and come together for the common good.
"This national unity is the only way to get Egypt out of this difficult crisis," Morsi said in a nationally televised speech.
He expressed thanks and admiration for military personnel, police officers, judges and others in the Egyptian government for their work on behalf of the nation. "I must salute them because they have a role in the future" of Egypt, Morsi said.
The president-elect also promised "we will preserve all national and international agreements," a topic of concern in light of questions about how his election might affect Egypt's ties with neighboring Israel. And he vowed to "protect the rights of women and children," as well as Christians and Muslims alike.
www.cnn.com...
Moreover, the presidency as currently defined is largely a figurehead position as the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) maintains much of the control over the country, as it has since Mubarak's exit.
For this reason, a young Egyptian man named Mohamed Saleh dismissed the importance of the presidential vote. "(Morsi) doesn't have the power -- SCAF has the power," he said.
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by frazzle
So, he DIDN'T say these things?
First Publish: 7/2/2012, 4:44 AM
Reuters
Both President Shimon Peres and Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu have sent separate letters to Egypt’s new Islamist president, congratulating him on his election victory and calling for continued peace between the neighboring countries, The Associated Press reported Sunday.
www.israelnationalnews.com...
You think lies aren't SOP in dirty politics? Where have you been?
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by frazzle
You think lies aren't SOP in dirty politics? Where have you been?
You're treating this as though it's an argument instead of a chat. I heard what I heard. You think it's all lies. Fine. You asked me to cite what I heard, so I did. End of discussion.
On 30 May 2012, Morsi filed a lawsuit against Egyptian television presenter Tawfiq Okasha, accusing him of "intentional falsehoods and accusations that amount to defamation and slander". According to online newspaper Egypt Independent, an English-language subsidiary of Egyptian daily Al-Masry Al-Youm, Okasha spent three hours on 27 May 2012 criticizing the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi on air.[39] After Okasha aired a video allegedly depicting Tunisian Islamist extremists executing a Christian while asking "how will such people govern?", some analysts suggested that this was in reference to Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood party.[40] The Tunisian government characterized the video as a farce in a harshly worded statement.[41]
Time to get rid of the religious fanatics throughout the middle east, including israel and iran. People would be better off than being 'taliban dominated'.
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
Time to get rid of the religious fanatics throughout the middle east, including israel and iran. People would be better off than being 'taliban dominated'.
You say that like its "our" middle east to make such demands. And who determines what is fanatical and what is moderate, or what is acceptable and what is not?
They don't need their own tyrants, they can have ours.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
Time to get rid of the religious fanatics throughout the middle east, including israel and iran. People would be better off than being 'taliban dominated'.
You say that like its "our" middle east to make such demands. And who determines what is fanatical and what is moderate, or what is acceptable and what is not?
They don't need their own tyrants, they can have ours.
You really don't see a pattern with the muslim brotherhood and the hugely faked "arab spring" that saw thousands killed since then? You think NATO would agree to give weapons and financial assistance to these governments if they had nothing to gain? And it all happened.....oohhh ssooo quickly??
NATO is FAR worse than the Taliban or Muslim Brotherhood ever dreamed of being. Get rid of them first, okay?