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The Pending Immigration Bill May Be Unconstitutional ?

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posted on Jul, 11 2013 @ 12:51 PM
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Is it true that the hotly debated immigration bill just passed by the Senate originated in the Senate ?

If so, that in itself may make the whole thing unconstitutional because all 'tax' legislations must originate in the House.

And with many Senators and consultants etc. being lawyers, we need to question the motives once again.

Apparently at least one U.S. Congressman thinks so....

Rep. Dave Camp (R-MI), the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, tweeted Wednesday evening that the Senate's immigration bill is unconstitutional because it raises revenues and originated in the Senate instead of the House.

“Chairman Camp: Senate immigration bill a revenue bill; unconstitutional and cannot be taken up by the House,” the official House and Ways Means Committee Twitter account sent out Wednesday evening.

As of this writing, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has not sent the immigration bill that passed the Senate 68-32 to the House of Representatives. Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX) announced that news in a late Wednesday statement, after circulating a “dear colleague” letter arguing the Senate immigration bill was unconstitutional because it raised revenue and did not originate in the House. .....................
GOP Reps: Senate Immigration Bill Unconstitutional for Raising Revenues

I wonder if this whole deal is just another ruse by Democrat strategists to make finger pointing possible again and again, and to shift focus away from all those damaging scandals that plague the current Administration and coat-tailers.

I bet 'ol Grampa Harry knew it all along !!

We are waiting for comments from Nancy, she will clear the air.





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posted on Jul, 11 2013 @ 12:59 PM
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I am going to agree with 'unconstitutional' as the house controls the purse strings.

And immigration 'reform' is going to cost money and all things that cost money HAS to originate in the HOUSE.

I agree UNCONSTITUTIONAL.



posted on Jul, 11 2013 @ 01:01 PM
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Well with all the other unconstitutional things they do, why not throw in one more? Politicians should know these things. It's part of the job. Incompetent boobs. Not the good boobs, the bad kind!
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posted on Jul, 11 2013 @ 01:03 PM
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Didn't they try using this argument against Obamacare as well?

We didn't fair to well using that argument then. I doubt it will work on this one.

It's not about what is right or wrong, legal or illegal, constitutional or unconstitutional. Just what they want.



posted on Jul, 11 2013 @ 01:19 PM
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Hold on. All tax bills must start in the House.

Bills in the Senate need to go back to the house for consideration.



posted on Jul, 11 2013 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by grey580
Hold on. All tax bills must start in the House.

Bills in the Senate need to go back to the house for consideration.


Someone needs to tell the Senate that.


edit on 11-7-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 11 2013 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by AshleyD
Didn't they try using this argument against Obamacare as well?

We didn't fair to well using that argument then. I doubt it will work on this one.

It's not about what is right or wrong, legal or illegal, constitutional or unconstitutional. Just what they want.


Apparently "ObamaCare" did originate in the House as the "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009".

When it passed the House, The Senate renamed it and added all the glory....



Legislative history

Introduced in the House as the "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009" (H.R. 3590) by Charles Rangel (D–NY) on September 17, 2009
Committee consideration by: Ways and Means
Passed the House on October 8, 2009 (416–0)
Passed the Senate as the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" on December 24, 2009 (60–39) with amendment
House agreed to Senate amendment on March 21, 2010 (219–212)
Signed into law by President Barack Obama on March 23, 2010
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

This was the (in)famous 111th congress that had Democrat majority.

Many think the House purposefully introduced the original bill as something else and that gave the legal 'opportunity' to the Senate to make a 180 turnaround.

Some may have been afraid of early controversy had the House simply wrote ObamaCare all by itself.

Clever devils aren't they


The question today is whether or not the immigration bill originated in the Senate.



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