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posted on Sep, 7 2013 @ 01:03 PM
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I am also of the belief cassini diskus is used as a sensory, auditory way of communication, it is quoted by FL somewhere in this thread where it is said that CD was to be used as a form of higher communication to other then earth entities or something along those lines. I also believe that it is very similar to what Carl Sagan had done with that plaque he had put on the side of that space probe in the event it was ever discovered by other intelligent life, unfortunately I do not think in the field of xenolinguistics that a visual representation to communicate would be most appropriate either.


ABEVERAGE

Hey nice post that has me interested I can't wait to read through all of that thanks for posting and great find!

B-Man




posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 10:10 PM
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Thank you for posting that link to FL's article (Geometric Shapes and Emotional States: Cassini Diskus and its cognitive significance - Autism Barrier: breaking on through to the other side) As you know, anything relating to autism and potential healing methods is of great interest to me!

I've reviewed the English portion of it, which feels fragmentary, but it is an interesting line of inquiry. I wish I could read the rest of the article, dang it!! The Bibliography is very interesting as well. Something to ponder. I will follow what crumbs I can... It is always wise to move with caution when a technology can potentially influence / entrain one's consciousness or even restructure one's thinking.

I have a wild idea that Cassini Diskus may be an attempt to entrain another person/being to a message/experience - to communicate on such a level that you may tap the information/experience Directly, without the boxes of language, thus eliminating the barrier between people/species. Wild idea. Poorly articulated perhaps...

peace,
AB


Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
~Marcello Truzzi


I am not convinced Cassini-Diskus is not just a modern Morse Code

I have seen no proof that leads me to that conclusion. Not saying it is impossible but it is only speculation unless you can show me something to the contrary.



posted on Sep, 8 2013 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by abeverage

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
~Marcello Truzzi


I am not convinced Cassini-Diskus is not just a modern Morse Code

I have seen no proof that leads me to that conclusion. Not saying it is impossible but it is only speculation unless you can show me something to the contrary.


Ah, so you want "proof of concept" information for my "wild idea?" lol!

I will gather what I can, though it might take a while - I don't know if I can bring "proof" directly, as I'm still mystified by Cassini-Diskus. If nothing else, it will help me to solidify what is basically an intuitive leap based on fragments of interconnecting data... Not promising success, but I will make an effort.

The latest Cassini-Diskus picture - how does that fit with Morse Code? I can see that approach with the other as they are more linear, but this one seems, as you pointed out, quite different.

Anyway, I'll report back when I've sorted my thoughts into something more substantial than wild...

peace to you,
AB



posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by abeverage
We are manipulated into a false belief of the Red & Blue States (here in the USA) or in the media Entertainment with Teal & Orange but many others and I mean To Many! to the point It has become its own trope...

Back from the digress, Her videos have been shown in Soul Dome at Brighton Fringe in England recently. You will notice there are age requirements for certain viewings with in the dome. And

I am oh so curious about a SOUL...dome. To bad I was not in England to see this.


Spot on, and an excellent example of why much of the exploration into the esoteric is moot, since we have shifted into the exoteric. We know not only 'how' but 'why', for the most part at least, and can dispense with much of the mumbo-jumbo.


Originally posted by abeverage
*END WARNING*

I have yet to fully read the article I provided, but I do believe it is along the lines of what FL has posted and that this is a way to heal minds and people. However I add that if you have the means to heal, you may also have the means to harm...


Indeed, and not always directly. A case in point. The day of the JFK assassination, there was an unaccounted for Ambulance parked in Dealey Plaza, with it's red light flashing for no particular reason. Flashing red lights combined with other factors can cause disorientation as opposed to the intended alertness, particularly, if, like the Secret Service men on duty that day, you are somewhat hyper-sensitive to light and sound stimuli because you are nursing a hang over. Otherwise automatic responses are slowed.



posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 03:37 PM
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Well i have to say FL have really upped the quality of their video productions here with 'Origins of Them', very professional looking, it seems to involve cybernetic creatures romping around in the bush and taking a dip, so probably not made of iron despite appearances.





I also think watching videos on ATS is enhanced with the new site format, seems to make the colours stand out more.



posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 03:49 PM
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The Origin of Them by Voices from Edom. The voices of "them?" "Them"…Indo-Europens? Note the "Rome" aspect of the following:


The name Edom means "red" in Hebrew, and was given to Esau, the eldest son of the Hebrew patriarch Isaac, once he ate the "red pottage", which the Bible used in irony at the fact he was born "red all over".[3] The Torah, Tanakh and New Testament thus describe the Edomites as descendants of Esau…

...In Rabbinic Literature, with time Edom became associated with Rome. The reasons for this and whether it is an adequate comparison are disputed, or literal which is also disputed.[37] Edom was a slang word for Rome...

en.wikipedia.org...




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posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 04:02 PM
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KilgoreTrout
Spot on, and an excellent example of why much of the exploration into the esoteric is moot, since we have shifted into the exoteric. We know not only 'how' but 'why', for the most part at least, and can dispense with much of the mumbo-jumbo.

Nah, we only know bits and pieces of the "hows" and the "whys" of occultic knowledge/abilities. Depends on who you mean by "we." You, me, or the MK-ULTRA adepts? I seriously doubt you or I understand the depth of that arcane knowledge. For anyone that thinks they do, however, I EAGERLY await that thread.

Regardless, the historical gist of the occult realm is control. Magic(k) in the supernatural sense is NOT required. Power is the aim.

Crowley gave the best, imo, definition and as such fits perfectly with what we know about globalism and the elite mindset:


According to the famous occultist Aleister Crowley, magick is "the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will." ... In fact, Crowley... says that "every intentional act is a Magickal Act." If you follow his line of reasoning, there is a great deal of validity in what he says, although it is not what we are seeking at this time. We need to make the definition of magick a bit longer: Magick is the science and art of causing change (in consciousness) to occur in conformity with will, using means not currently understood by traditional Western science.

Naturally then, it doesn't negate, or somehow supersede, the known and unknown, ahem, "laws" of science. But it does bring to mind its potential for prostitution...and the willingness of certain folk to do so.

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posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 04:30 PM
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I think it is the case that an identification with Edom would certainly establish oneself as an enemy of Judaism, perhaps even as an enemy of God;


Edom is described as the eternal enemy of Israel (and Judah, Amos 1:11; Ezek. 35:5) who not only always oppressed Israel, but at the time of the destruction of the First Temple took advantage of the situation and seized control of parts of Judah (Ezek. 25:12, 35:5, 10, 2; Obad. 11–16), and it is hinted that Edom also took part in the destruction of Jerusalem (Ps. 137:7, Obad. 11) and even in that of the Temple itself (Obad. 16). in consequence, during the Second Temple period there spread a belief that it was actually the Edomites who burned the First Temple (I Esdras 4:45; Ethiopian Enoch 89:66), and also interfered with the building of the Second Temple (ibid., 72).

Hence the intense enmity toward Edom which grew stronger in the course of time (Ecclus. 50:25–26), until the conquest of Edom and its conversion to Judaism in the time of John Hyrcanus—a conquest which is the
background to the descriptions of the wars of Jacob and his sons with Esau and his sons in the Book of
Jubilees (37–38) and in the Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs (Judah 9). Edom is even compared to a black boar (I En. 89:12, 42–43, 49, 66; Jub. 37:20, 24). The intense hatred of Rome after the cruel crushing of the revolt of the Diaspora in the time of Trajan and still more after the harsh suppression of the Bar Kokhba revolt and the decrees of persecution in Hadrian's days; the fact that Rome, like Edom, had destroyed the Temple; the similarity of Edom, compared to a pig, with Rome, for whom the pig (or, more correctly, the sow) was a most important symbol; the allusions to Edom dwelling on high like an eagle and the fact that the eagle, too, was an important Roman symbol; and perhaps finally even the similarity to the name Rome and Romans in several verses that speak of Edom, Seir, and Esau—all these apparently combined to cause the application to Rome of the biblical references to Edom, the eternal enemy of Israel



Who is Edom


The interest in and attachment toward Edom can be found elsewhere on the FL site, and thus suggests a religious agenda, of sorts.



posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 05:08 PM
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EDOM also stands for Electronic Dissolution of Memory...

Radio Hypnotic Intra-Cerebral...

ATS Thread on EDOM

Electronic Dissolution - Wikipedia

It is a "conspiracy theory" (*gasp* - I know, right?!?) Intense stuff.

Dave Emory "Anti-Facist researcher and radio personality" has a series on this...
Spitfire List: AFA 5-7 David Emory

POST DISCLAIMER:
NOT saying any of this is reliable information AT ALL - just putting it out there as a reference to EDOM.
I have no way to know what is real/true, if anything, and what is not in the above links! ALSO - I have NO way of knowing if it is connected in any way with the video, music, etc. Just thought it was interesting...

peace,
AB
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posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 06:08 PM
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AboveBoard

EDOM also stands for Electronic Dissolution of Memory...

Duh, GUT get a clue!! Was just rereading some material last night that referenced that and it STILL bounced off of me! Good one, AB! I luvs your mind. And your heart. You know that.

Definitely a VERY interesting point, lil' sis!!



posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 06:40 PM
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EDOM then as the ultimate enemy of God, removing not only the belief in such but also the memory of ever having done so...?



posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 06:52 PM
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God, how I hate backpedalling, as I pride myself on being a woman of my word.
However, I've so missed this thread and the friends I have encountered here.....
Been goin' through withdrawal, I tell ya'. LOL


This Edom stuff got me going again. Too much, really. Biblical references compared to modern acronyms of something diametrically opposed...the stuff of true conspiracy...
Tetra

ETA: And I must as well come back here, as I think I just might have run off our current "ask me anything" guy!
But I thought we were supposed to ask him anything......
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posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 07:01 PM
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Some background, though already addressed, there are those reading here who may need this:


. The last unambiguous reference to Edom is an Assyrian inscription of 667 BC; it has thus been unclear when, how and why Edom ceased to exist as a state, although many scholars point to scriptural references in the Bible, specifically the historical Book of Obadiah, to explain this fact.[2]
Edom is mentioned in Assyrian cuneiform inscriptions in the form "Udumi" or "Udumu"; three of its kings are known from the same source: Ḳaus-malaka at the time of Tiglath-pileser III (c. 745 BC), Malik-rammu at the time of Sennacherib (c. 705 BC), and Ḳaus-gabri at the time of Esarhaddon (c. 680 BC). According to the Egyptian inscriptions, the "Aduma" at times extended their possessions to the borders of Egypt.[5] After the conquest of Judah by the Babylonians, Edomites settled in the region of Hebron. They prospered in this new country, called by the Greeks and Romans "Idumaea" or "Idumea", for more than four centuries.[6] Strabo, writing around the time of Christ, held that the Idumaeans, whom he identified as of Nabataean origin, constituted the majority of the population of Western Judea, where they commingled with the Judaeans and adopted their customs.[7]
Biblical Edom[edit source | editbeta]


The region around 830 BCE. Edom is shown in yellow on this map
The Edomites' original country, according to the Tanakh, stretched from the Sinai peninsula as far as Kadesh Barnea. Southward it reached as far as Eilat, which was the seaport of Edom.[8] On the north of Edom was the territory of Moab.[9] The boundary between Moab and Edom was the Wadi Zered.[10] The ancient capital of Edom was Bozrah.[11] According to Genesis, Esau's descendants settled in this land after displacing the Horites. It was also called the land of Seir; Mount Seir appears to have been strongly identified with them and may have been a cultic site. In the time of Amaziah (838 BC), Selah (Petra) was its principal stronghold,[12] Eilat and Ezion-geber its seaports.[13]
Genesis 36 lists the kings of Edom:
These are the kings who ruled in the land of Edom before a king ruled the children of Israel. And Bela ben Beor ruled in Edom, and the name of his city was Dinhabah. And Bela died, and Jobab ben Zerah from Bozrah ruled in his place. And Jobab died, and Husham of the land of Temani ruled in his place. And Husham died, and Hadad ben Bedad, who struck Midian in the field of Moab, ruled in his place, and the name of his city was Avith. And Hadad died, and Samlah of Masrekah ruled in his place. And Samlah died, and Saul of Rehoboth on the river ruled in his place. And Saul died, and Baal-hanan ben Achbor ruled in his place. And Baal-hanan ben Achbor died, and Hadar ruled in his place, and the name of his city was Pau, and his wife's name was Mehetabel bat Matred bat Mezahab. And these are the names of the clans of Esau by their families, by their places, by their names: clan Timnah, clan Alvah, clan Jetheth, clan Aholibamah, clan Elah, clan Pinon, clan Kenaz, clan Teman, clan Mibzar, clan Magdiel, clan Iram.[14]
The Hebrew word translated as "clan" is aluf, used to describe Edom and Moab, also later translated as "chief", "general", or "duke".[15] Today it is used for a description of high rank in the Israeli Defence Force.



posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 07:02 PM
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Cuneiform here, struck me, in reference to FL, also.....
Tetra

more to come on Edom...not that any of you currently interacting need it....



posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 07:04 PM
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And Biblically:



Immediate Family History

The immediate family history of Jacob and Esau, the twin sons of Isaac and Rebekah, begins in Genesis Chapter 25 and continues through the end of Genesis.
The Descendants of Jacob's Brother Esau (Edom):

Genesis 36, which records the family tree of Esau, lists many names still associated with the land of Edom in Southern Jordan, and also mentions individuals whose unfavorable interactions with the people of Israel are recorded for us elsewhere as the Old Testament unfolds.
These are the descendants of Esau (that is, Edom). Esau took his wives from the Canaanites: Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite, Oholibamah the daughter of Anah the son of Zibeon the Hivite, and Basemath, Ishmael's daughter, the sister of Nebaioth. And Adah bore to Esau, Eliphaz; Basemath bore Reuel; and Oholibamah bore Jeush, Jalam, and Korah. These are the sons of Esau who were born to him in the land of Canaan. Then Esau took his wives, his sons, his daughters, and all the members of his household, his cattle, all his beasts, and all his property which he had acquired in the land of Canaan; and he went into a land away from his brother Jacob. For their possessions were too great for them to dwell together; the land of their sojournings could not support them because of their cattle.

So Esau dwelt in the hill country of Seir; Esau is Edom. These are the descendants of Esau the father of the Edomites in the hill country of Seir.


I know you know all this, Kantz, as well as the rest of you, prob. But Kantz referenced, iron, specific to Edom.....



posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 07:08 PM
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And this, further, biblically speaking:


Read the Scripture: Obadiah

Obadiah, the shortest book in the Old Testament, is the pronouncement of doom against an ancient and long-forgotten nation, the land of Edom. But there is more to this book than that. The Scriptures have that beautiful faculty of appearing to be one thing on the surface, but on a deeper level, yielding rich and mighty treasures. That is certainly true of this amazing book of Obadiah.

We know very little about Obadiah except that he was one of the minor prophets. There is a reference to a prophet Obadiah in the days of Elijah and Elisha and there is some thought that perhaps he is the same man. The name Obadiah was a very common name among the Hebrews though, and it is very likely this is not the same prophet, for in this book Obadiah mentions the day when Jerusalem was destroyed, captured by the alien armies, and that occurs long after the time of Elijah and Elisha. So most Bible commentators believe the author of this book was a contemporary of the prophet Jeremiah, the last of the prophets before Israel went into captivity.

The name Obadiah means "the servant of Jehovah;" he fulfills the position of a servant. He comes and does his work and fades into the background; he delivers his message and he is gone. And that is about all we know about the man behind this book.

The book of Obadiah tells the story of two nations, the nation of Israel and the nation of Edom, the country to the south of Israel that is now usually referred to as the Negev or Negeb. Through this ancient land of Edom the Israelites marched as they came into the land of Israel out of the captivity and slavery of Egypt. As they came into the land they had difficulty with the Edomites; they were enemies of Israel from its very beginning.

But behind the story of these two nations, this book tells the story of two men. Every nation in the Bible is a lengthened shadow of its founder, and the two men behind the nations Israel an Edom were twin brothers. Do you know who they are? Jacob and Esau. Jacob was the father of Israel, and Esau, his twin brother, became the father of the Edomites. In the story of these nations you also have the extended story of these two men, Jacob and Esau. God, in a sense, has put Jacob and Esau into an enlarger and blown them up to national size. As the prophet discusses this you can see that the story of these two men continues; Israel is still Jacob and Edom is still Esau.



posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 07:12 PM
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And from Ezekiel:


Ezekiel 35
New International Version (NIV)
A Prophecy Against Edom

35 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, set your face against Mount Seir; prophesy against it 3 and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against you, Mount Seir, and I will stretch out my hand against you and make you a desolate waste. 4 I will turn your towns into ruins and you will be desolate. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

5 “‘Because you harbored an ancient hostility and delivered the Israelites over to the sword at the time of their calamity, the time their punishment reached its climax, 6 therefore as surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I will give you over to bloodshed and it will pursue you. Since you did not hate bloodshed, bloodshed will pursue you. 7 I will make Mount Seir a desolate waste and cut off from it all who come and go. 8 I will fill your mountains with the slain; those killed by the sword will fall on your hills and in your valleys and in all your ravines. 9 I will make you desolate forever; your towns will not be inhabited. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

10 “‘Because you have said, “These two nations and countries will be ours and we will take possession of them,” even though I the Lord was there, 11 therefore as surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I will treat you in accordance with the anger and jealousy you showed in your hatred of them and I will make myself known among them when I judge you. 12 Then you will know that I the Lord have heard all the contemptible things you have said against the mountains of Israel. You said, “They have been laid waste and have been given over to us to devour.” 13 You boasted against me and spoke against me without restraint, and I heard it. 14 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: While the whole earth rejoices, I will make you desolate. 15 Because you rejoiced when the inheritance of Israel became desolate, that is how I will treat you. You will be desolate, Mount Seir, you and all of Edom. Then they will know that I am the Lord.’”


sorry for all the quotes, I believe in nothing but being didactically fully covered, by all that's written.....



posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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Thank you, AboveBoard, and here we go....weeeee!

Electronic dissolution
From Wikipedia( View original Wikipedia Article ) Last modified on 24 July 2013 at 11:39.
Electronic dissolution is an Urban legend of the conspiracy theory class about a device able to erase the memory of a person by casual touch or from a remote location. Common abbreviation of this concept is "EDOM" (Electronic dissolution of memory). As for any conspiracy theory, reliable references are not possible and thus not provided. Some researchers have done extensive carefully referenced research and have provided references for this phenomenon Emory, Dave (29 December 2004). "AFA 5–7: Operation Mind Control". Spitfire List. Anti-fascist Archives formerly Radio Free America. Retrieved 24 July 2013..

See also
Black Lung - music project heavily influenced by EDOM theory.
Men in Black (film) - Movie based on Will Smith demonstrating such a device
Sources
Constantine, Alex, Psychic Dictatorship in the U.S.A., US, Feral House, May 1995, ISBN 978-0-922915-28-6
J. Douglas Kenyon, Forbidden Science, nner Traditions * Bear & Company, 2008, ISBN 1591430828
Jim Keith, Mind Control And UFOs: Casebook On Alternative, Adventures Unlimited Press, 2005, ISBN 1931882444
Gyeorgos C. Hatonn, Players in the Game, Phoenix Source Distributors, Inc., 1993, ISBN 1569350221
George Piccard, Liquid Conspiracy, Adventures Unlimited Press, 1999, ISBN 0932813577
Kenn Thomas, Parapolitics: Conspiracy in Contemporary America, Adventures Unlimited Press, 2006, ISBN 193188255X



posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 07:26 PM
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ENGLISH РУССКИЙ
INTRODUCTION
DICTIONARY
ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
Decognition Training

Hyper state control as a political tool uses psychologically coercive techniques in order to indoctrinate subjects. The end justifies the means to form an elitist, totalitarian society. If you make a person behave the way you want, you can make that person believe what you want. Hyper state control techniques are based on the same principles as mind control techniques studied in social control systems of cult groups and social bodies in general. Among them are practices of isolation, regression, meta-communication (implanting subliminal messages by stressing keywords or phrases in long, confusing explanations), and group pressure. The aim is alertness reduction, programmed confusion and flattening of the mind. The chthonic will express itself against the conscious mind, when ordinary thinking is silenced, distracted, or thoroughly deranged.
Electronic Dissolution of Memory (EDOM) is accomplished by electronically jamming the brain with microwave technology, causing excess amounts of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine to create static which blocks out sight and sounds. Memory can be stopped for as long as the radio signal continues. The awareness of the person skips over the time during which he is subjected to the radio signal. Any memory of the incident is gone, the mind is blank. Memory is distorted, and time-orientation destroyed



Yeah, sounds really familiar, per here inside me, anyway...
well, here I am, and it was right up my alley, and surely anyone knew I could not resist such, seemingly so familiar to my own plight, not trying to be self invovled narcissist, here, but mind rape is, well, mind rape, after all....
Tetra

Leave the rest of you to it, now,as every one always seems to know but me.....



posted on Sep, 9 2013 @ 07:28 PM
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Bcs8484
Im really trying to wrap my mind around this. I don't believe if it was really just a website to discuss languages they would go to such lengths to keep it secret. The language may be secondary used as a means to maintain the utmost secrecy of the real topic or topixs i just don't know.


It makes sense.. because only those who are absolutely serious about it will figure it out.

The site itself could be a test, it keeps you out if you don't know what you're reading, but if you take the time to translate the languages presented then you can take part. Almost like a puzzle.

I was thinking this could be an ARG at first but now I think it's just a way to keep out those who aren't serious about languages. ( ARG = Alternate reality game .. largely used for marketing )





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