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The Language of Vampyr
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Originally posted by Baddogma
reply to post by Eucarpo
Oh yes, thanks for that reminder regarding that find, too, from those who showed up late to the show. More layers.
Even if their methodology (including the computer program and new 'anti-language' language) for contact with another form of intelligence and/or finding a purer language itself is a 'prank,' (or since they've been working on it for years more likely wrong or an experiment than 'prank') the prank itself is fascinating and we're back to thinking that it's impressive even if it's a social dynamics experiment.
The onion keeps growing layers and ...and... (sputters out)... that's what I meant about fractal ideas and tangents... so many that just writing about the number of ideas involved becomes burdensome.
I'll read your sources for the find (found the English version) of what was in that archeological site (or what was hoaxed), because even if it's all a prank, I think I'd learn something based on the caliber of minds involved... even if it's just motive.
It's like one big demonstration (or ritual) of uncertainty. Hail Eris and the Discordians!
edit on 8/21/2013 by Baddogma because: add stuffedit on 8/21/2013 by Baddogma because: other cleaning
Respectfully, it is even more than that. It is watching history and replacement history, alternative history being applied while erasure is happening, all at the same time. Fascinating and frightening.....
Tetra
ETA: And then there were the pure human dynamics on the thread, being used for the research while justifying that conceptual agenda.......i.e. a certain member here claims himself a psychopath, and I don't think he really is....he just got caught up in what was happening, enthralled with Ayndryl, the videos on FL, etc.....and was addicted to wanting more.....
this is a prime example, IMHO, of how what I describe above happens. No question, Kantzveldt has nailed it and demonstrated for us, not only deconstuctionism but how certain "other" presences, for good or evil, dependant upon where you sit, are using our energy, manipulating it to manifest and manipulate this particular dimension, and perhaps, quantumly, as well
Originally posted by guardian0111
Do you guys think it's a good idea to contact DARPA themselves and inquire about nodespace? Obviously it's public information seeing as it's on a website that is public.
www.darpa.mil...
Why not get to the belly of the beast and just ask. Sometimes thats all you have to do besides snooping or doxing FL's site.
On second thought, those guys are storing data on us. And the government is storing everything we do anyway. So i do say game on.
Opinions?
opinion as asked for: Go right ahead. You first.
I provided the links I thought cogent to answer these questions many pages ago. I do not have the time nor energy to review and provide for you, while I kept track of this thread and researched for what.....two weeks, three?"
The answer, as far as I am concerned with it, has been addressed. If you are not satisfied with it, plow through on your own. Can't keep going backward, myself. No offesnse intended. You wanna talk to those folks....go right ahead.
But there is much to this than that, even.
Sincerely,
Tetra
Wow, I finally finished this fascinating, extremely educating, and seriously entertaining thread! Kudos to Kantzveldt!…and some of the other truly
exceptional detective minds here. I would name those that I found especially brilliant, but I'd better not.
If you found your star count increasing in the last two days on this thread, it was probably from me.
My viewpoint from pg 1 until now didn't change a whole lot, but it did change some.
Kantzveldt took 60 pages to come out and finally, clearly, define one aspect of what I too believe we're looking at here. Like I stated earlier, the philosophies and hoped-for outcomes are nothing new, only the "tech" and its application. Excellent work, K, and I'm sure you were being patient to see if we would come to some form of the same conclusion.
It should also be noted that that particular aspect--attempted communication with the "bio-electromagnetic ones"--might not be as important to some in the FL group as with others, but, yeah, I'd say that theory has been pretty well satisfied by the information gleaned.
FL, and some of the authors they like, seem so sure that we're about to collide--or, alternately, that they are about to open the door--with this other world, that it does, along with other information presented here, make me wonder what information they might have from some of the "weird science" intel community?
I've been of the mind for awhile now that some from that community (science intel) have found something in the electromagnetic realm that they are attempting to hide. Something that they would much rather us think of as ET, than to start throwing other names around. But that's just a somewhat educated guess I fully admit.
Also, if FL actually is involved with RV'ing on any major scale, then that field is chock FULL of spooks. They would, even if personally innocent and of good intention, must needs come across these folk as they delved into that aspect. Like flypaper that RV/INTEL crowd. Hard to shake off.
I might also suggest that, philosophically, FL members, or a faction thereof, might have more of an interest in the Gil artifacts than just Basque nationhood. Syncretism has been mentioned here---the mixture of religions and philosophies in an attempt to gather previously scattered kernels of "truth." If those artifacts were to be deemed "genuine" then they might be seen as a powerful argument to "erase" the problems caused by religious differences/tensions.
I would also note that the MJ-12/Serpo/Aquarian documents also had some of those aspects built within the storyline, though that part is often overlooked. Those documents, we know, have their beginnings, and much added shelf-life, from within the intel community.
brotherman took some lumps that probably weren't deserved, then again he kind of brought it on himself. A lot of folk "got it," brotherman…we were just looking at the big picture and trying to assess how it might end up, as in:
- Is there language-creation software on the verge of actually being able to "edit" individuality out of us?
- If FL is as close as they think, then who might use this against humanity as a whole?
- Is an attempt to "hurry" up chaos/entropy in effect?
Those were my questions. And many others questions, it seems, as well.
You found a new love in the neo-linguistics aspect--and that's cool--but you assumed we were missing the "tech" while we were searching for something else. Kudos, though, bro, you are a sharp guy, imo. Keep your wits about you, though, as you play with these cats.
Now, DARPA. That's a little tougher for a couple of reasons. The philosophical spirit and the political leanings of Ayndryl and associated writings would seem to suggest--at surface--that she's not the type to play pretty for any US gubmint boys. Globalists? That's maybe a different, or maybe not, question.
I'm not through looking at the connection to Nodespace, so I don't want to invoke the D-word just yet. I will reiterate my assertion that there is definitely money and organization involved. We know where our most brilliant academicians get their funding from. Especially these socio-reverse-engineering types of projects. MK anyone?
In addition, I might throw out the thought that the "group" might be infiltrated. That while some members have good intentions, other members might be taking notes for their bosses.
You can pretty much bet that, at some level, either by full-Monty or by backdoor…the intel boys from SOME country have their finger in this pie.
If you are on the straight-beam, Ayndryl, and other FL members, make sure you aren't being prostituted by the same folk you profess to despise. Then again, for one who is so seemingly ready for chaos, so the "new" can come, would you even care? I hope you would care because I do find you fascinating in spite of your nihilist-deconstructo-suicide-girlz-big-brained mystique. Heck, maybe even because of it.
Disclaimer: Hell if I know, that's just my take!!
THANK YOU ALL for a THRILLING RIDE!!!
If you found your star count increasing in the last two days on this thread, it was probably from me.
My viewpoint from pg 1 until now didn't change a whole lot, but it did change some.
Kantzveldt took 60 pages to come out and finally, clearly, define one aspect of what I too believe we're looking at here. Like I stated earlier, the philosophies and hoped-for outcomes are nothing new, only the "tech" and its application. Excellent work, K, and I'm sure you were being patient to see if we would come to some form of the same conclusion.
It should also be noted that that particular aspect--attempted communication with the "bio-electromagnetic ones"--might not be as important to some in the FL group as with others, but, yeah, I'd say that theory has been pretty well satisfied by the information gleaned.
FL, and some of the authors they like, seem so sure that we're about to collide--or, alternately, that they are about to open the door--with this other world, that it does, along with other information presented here, make me wonder what information they might have from some of the "weird science" intel community?
I've been of the mind for awhile now that some from that community (science intel) have found something in the electromagnetic realm that they are attempting to hide. Something that they would much rather us think of as ET, than to start throwing other names around. But that's just a somewhat educated guess I fully admit.
Also, if FL actually is involved with RV'ing on any major scale, then that field is chock FULL of spooks. They would, even if personally innocent and of good intention, must needs come across these folk as they delved into that aspect. Like flypaper that RV/INTEL crowd. Hard to shake off.
I might also suggest that, philosophically, FL members, or a faction thereof, might have more of an interest in the Gil artifacts than just Basque nationhood. Syncretism has been mentioned here---the mixture of religions and philosophies in an attempt to gather previously scattered kernels of "truth." If those artifacts were to be deemed "genuine" then they might be seen as a powerful argument to "erase" the problems caused by religious differences/tensions.
I would also note that the MJ-12/Serpo/Aquarian documents also had some of those aspects built within the storyline, though that part is often overlooked. Those documents, we know, have their beginnings, and much added shelf-life, from within the intel community.
brotherman took some lumps that probably weren't deserved, then again he kind of brought it on himself. A lot of folk "got it," brotherman…we were just looking at the big picture and trying to assess how it might end up, as in:
- Is there language-creation software on the verge of actually being able to "edit" individuality out of us?
- If FL is as close as they think, then who might use this against humanity as a whole?
- Is an attempt to "hurry" up chaos/entropy in effect?
Those were my questions. And many others questions, it seems, as well.
You found a new love in the neo-linguistics aspect--and that's cool--but you assumed we were missing the "tech" while we were searching for something else. Kudos, though, bro, you are a sharp guy, imo. Keep your wits about you, though, as you play with these cats.
Now, DARPA. That's a little tougher for a couple of reasons. The philosophical spirit and the political leanings of Ayndryl and associated writings would seem to suggest--at surface--that she's not the type to play pretty for any US gubmint boys. Globalists? That's maybe a different, or maybe not, question.
I'm not through looking at the connection to Nodespace, so I don't want to invoke the D-word just yet. I will reiterate my assertion that there is definitely money and organization involved. We know where our most brilliant academicians get their funding from. Especially these socio-reverse-engineering types of projects. MK anyone?
In addition, I might throw out the thought that the "group" might be infiltrated. That while some members have good intentions, other members might be taking notes for their bosses.
You can pretty much bet that, at some level, either by full-Monty or by backdoor…the intel boys from SOME country have their finger in this pie.
If you are on the straight-beam, Ayndryl, and other FL members, make sure you aren't being prostituted by the same folk you profess to despise. Then again, for one who is so seemingly ready for chaos, so the "new" can come, would you even care? I hope you would care because I do find you fascinating in spite of your nihilist-deconstructo-suicide-girlz-big-brained mystique. Heck, maybe even because of it.
Disclaimer: Hell if I know, that's just my take!!
THANK YOU ALL for a THRILLING RIDE!!!
edit on 22-8-2013 by The GUT because: (no reason given)
reply to post by The GUT
Dear Gut:
Although I find all your dissemination here fascinating, as usual, and informative on a higher level, I want to comment in particular to this part of what you write:
when you involve this archeological find, the political aspects it presents, along with FL and their declaration of a search for an anti-language (more to say about that later) and possible "gubmint," as you always say, involvement in funding and perhaps even more, the "erasure" part of your comment is what I am most focused on at the moment.
On this website, we attempt, among other things, to document different interpretations in play with history, ideas of quantum entanglement and time dilation and circular patterns, amongst a host other things and concepts involved in this thread, that is so all encompassing it can easily overwhelm, but is representative, here, of all that:
Could it be, we are seeing the deconstruction, in real time, of a history, an erasure, and a replacement, happening concurrently........fascinating thought, I find. Especially, when you combine Kantzveldt's own writings about certain entities not able to manifest realistically, as we humans "see" reality, here and now, and flux, influx and effect, to perhaps draw our energies to manifest their own more prominently, and also erase and change history as they do this?
Basque artifacts accompanied by Egyptian ones would certainly have a very specific proof, archeologically and scientifically, in time dilation proof, existing in the same place at the same time, and then discovered......quantum entanglement, and manipulating it in just this way to erase and change history, anyone....or even perhaps to reveal it's already been done, for quite a while, and then how would THAT proof and knowledge affect what happens in the quantum NOW......
Mind blowing for sure.
Yours truly,
Tetra50
ETA No doubt, with this thread, we have been witness and participants in something out of the ordinary, for sure, and will live with us forever and change our perspective, as such, or reaffirm what some of us already strongly suspected........could not have asked for more, education wise, and thought provoking......
Dear Gut:
I might also suggest that, philosophically, FL members, or a faction thereof, might have more of an interest in the Gil artifacts than Basque nationhood. Syncretism has been mentioned here---the mixture of religions and philosophies in an attempt to gather kernels of "truth." If those artifacts were to be deemed "genuine" then they might be seen as a powerful argument to "erase" the problems caused by religious differences/tensions.
Although I find all your dissemination here fascinating, as usual, and informative on a higher level, I want to comment in particular to this part of what you write:
when you involve this archeological find, the political aspects it presents, along with FL and their declaration of a search for an anti-language (more to say about that later) and possible "gubmint," as you always say, involvement in funding and perhaps even more, the "erasure" part of your comment is what I am most focused on at the moment.
On this website, we attempt, among other things, to document different interpretations in play with history, ideas of quantum entanglement and time dilation and circular patterns, amongst a host other things and concepts involved in this thread, that is so all encompassing it can easily overwhelm, but is representative, here, of all that:
Could it be, we are seeing the deconstruction, in real time, of a history, an erasure, and a replacement, happening concurrently........fascinating thought, I find. Especially, when you combine Kantzveldt's own writings about certain entities not able to manifest realistically, as we humans "see" reality, here and now, and flux, influx and effect, to perhaps draw our energies to manifest their own more prominently, and also erase and change history as they do this?
Basque artifacts accompanied by Egyptian ones would certainly have a very specific proof, archeologically and scientifically, in time dilation proof, existing in the same place at the same time, and then discovered......quantum entanglement, and manipulating it in just this way to erase and change history, anyone....or even perhaps to reveal it's already been done, for quite a while, and then how would THAT proof and knowledge affect what happens in the quantum NOW......
Mind blowing for sure.
Yours truly,
Tetra50
ETA No doubt, with this thread, we have been witness and participants in something out of the ordinary, for sure, and will live with us forever and change our perspective, as such, or reaffirm what some of us already strongly suspected........could not have asked for more, education wise, and thought provoking......
reply to post by The GUT
Again, thanks for providing this most useful personal overview, and for the praise...
There are a few points i've been meaning to elaborate on and you have drawn considerations and conclusions along such lines so i'll take the opportunity here.
We can start by observing a cryptic paradigm that FL themselves have provided as to how they see things, the clue is in the video title here, one needn't concern oneself with the contents.
So 'approach to 'Tinley Park', what's this movie all about then...?
Workers World.
Tinley Park 5
From one side of the great divide then this is about freedom loving Anarcho-Antifa and the Far Left having an head bashing encounter with their arch opponents the Far Right facistic Stormfronters, Left versus Right, Freedom versus Oppression, Goodies versus Baddies.
And if they truly believe that's the real nature of the opposition they have encountered on the other side of the screen then Heaven help them...
Lets have a look at their rose tinted spectacle a little closer, in no Universe that i'm aware of could a group of Stormfronters be thought of as representing the very embodiment of absolute Order and Control, being a somewhat disorderly group with a fondness for failed self indulgent maniacs that brought about anything but order.
It's true the Anarcho-Antifa can do a passable imitation of the forces of Chaos providing the right drugs are provided, but it's hardly the case that the Far Left who run them are freedom loving hipsters, with the dogma of cultural Marxism dictating what you're even allowed to think.
So the analogy of Tinley Park as i see it would be useful chaotic idiots in cahoots with sinister mind control freaks versus marginalized punch bags with a fondness for beer and failed early 20th century political systems, a fight they know they can win in the long or short run every time, so no wonder they look forward to it.
Meanwhile back in the real world the actual krypto-Facistic Ordering of the Far Right Banking-Industrialist-Political Elite is quietly getting on with running the world, and happy enough to direct the general populace toward the ways of cultural Marxism and have them shadow box the punch bag puppets provided.
So there really isn't any sort of confrontation worthy of the name actually taking place, it's all an illusion that caters for all needs, so whether you're of anarchic persuasion, or given to Socialist idealism, Atheistic Humanist or would like to apply for a position within the corporation, well there's a job for you somewhere.
The aspect of Order that i align myself with is of the kind that runs the Universe, it is way out to the Right, but paradoxically it serves the interests of the Rainbow girl...crazy irresponsible Lefty that she is.
Uruk Rises Again
reply to post by Eucarpo
Could you explain further your personal considerations as to how FL members were involved in this, what their positions regarding the controversy were...?
Again, thanks for providing this most useful personal overview, and for the praise...
There are a few points i've been meaning to elaborate on and you have drawn considerations and conclusions along such lines so i'll take the opportunity here.
We can start by observing a cryptic paradigm that FL themselves have provided as to how they see things, the clue is in the video title here, one needn't concern oneself with the contents.
So 'approach to 'Tinley Park', what's this movie all about then...?
Workers World.
Tinley Park 5
From one side of the great divide then this is about freedom loving Anarcho-Antifa and the Far Left having an head bashing encounter with their arch opponents the Far Right facistic Stormfronters, Left versus Right, Freedom versus Oppression, Goodies versus Baddies.
And if they truly believe that's the real nature of the opposition they have encountered on the other side of the screen then Heaven help them...
Lets have a look at their rose tinted spectacle a little closer, in no Universe that i'm aware of could a group of Stormfronters be thought of as representing the very embodiment of absolute Order and Control, being a somewhat disorderly group with a fondness for failed self indulgent maniacs that brought about anything but order.
It's true the Anarcho-Antifa can do a passable imitation of the forces of Chaos providing the right drugs are provided, but it's hardly the case that the Far Left who run them are freedom loving hipsters, with the dogma of cultural Marxism dictating what you're even allowed to think.
So the analogy of Tinley Park as i see it would be useful chaotic idiots in cahoots with sinister mind control freaks versus marginalized punch bags with a fondness for beer and failed early 20th century political systems, a fight they know they can win in the long or short run every time, so no wonder they look forward to it.
Meanwhile back in the real world the actual krypto-Facistic Ordering of the Far Right Banking-Industrialist-Political Elite is quietly getting on with running the world, and happy enough to direct the general populace toward the ways of cultural Marxism and have them shadow box the punch bag puppets provided.
So there really isn't any sort of confrontation worthy of the name actually taking place, it's all an illusion that caters for all needs, so whether you're of anarchic persuasion, or given to Socialist idealism, Atheistic Humanist or would like to apply for a position within the corporation, well there's a job for you somewhere.
The aspect of Order that i align myself with is of the kind that runs the Universe, it is way out to the Right, but paradoxically it serves the interests of the Rainbow girl...crazy irresponsible Lefty that she is.
Uruk Rises Again
reply to post by Eucarpo
Could you explain further your personal considerations as to how FL members were involved in this, what their positions regarding the controversy were...?
edit on 22-8-2013 by Kantzveldt because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by tetra50
Could it be, we are seeing the deconstruction, in real time, of a history, an erasure, and a replacement, happening concurrently........fascinating thought, I find. Especially, when you combine Kantzveldt's own writings about certain entities not able to manifest realistically, as we humans "see" reality, here and now, and flux, influx and effect, to perhaps draw our energies to manifest their own more prominently, and also erase and change history as they do this?
Something like that seems to be on the horizon it appears to many. Whether societal entropy, subconscious bugaboos, or full-blown chaos entities...we are a world in flux. And on the edge.
Will it be a better world? After the wholesale death and destruction of full collapse I mean? Will there be either a State or worldwide religion? Is that another utopian dream doomed to failure?
We await the answer with baited breath.
My limited English skills prevent me from giving any opinion. This is a forum in English and it would be incorrect to express myself in Spanish . It
will avoid misunderstandings. I will try to learn more and maybe in a few months I will be able to tell you what I think.
Even so I am going to express my general impression. FL is a site run by a very intelligent person. I feel that everything which is there is a creation of his. I feel that even the partners of the site are the same person and I feel that he has unclear intentions. This work is not being done to be unnoticed. Maybe one of you is the very Ayndryl that is spreading his work.
Intelligence in a healthy mind is a blessing for everybody, in a disturbed mind it can become a nightmare for him and for society. Vampires are the stuff of nightmares. I'd rather be prevented against them.
Goodbye and thank you, it is a challenge for me to learn English by reading you
Even so I am going to express my general impression. FL is a site run by a very intelligent person. I feel that everything which is there is a creation of his. I feel that even the partners of the site are the same person and I feel that he has unclear intentions. This work is not being done to be unnoticed. Maybe one of you is the very Ayndryl that is spreading his work.
Intelligence in a healthy mind is a blessing for everybody, in a disturbed mind it can become a nightmare for him and for society. Vampires are the stuff of nightmares. I'd rather be prevented against them.
Goodbye and thank you, it is a challenge for me to learn English by reading you
Originally posted by Eucarpo
...Even so I am going to express my general impression. FL is a site run by a very intelligent person. I feel that everything which is there is a creation of his. I feel that even the partners of the site are the same person and I feel that he has unclear intentions. This work is not being done to be unnoticed. Maybe one of you is the very Ayndryl that is spreading his work.
Intelligence in a healthy mind is a blessing for everybody, in a disturbed mind it can become a nightmare for him and for society. Vampires are the stuff of nightmares. I'd rather be prevented against them.
Goodbye and thank you, it is a challenge for me to learn English by reading you.
You are doing a heck of a job with the English and you have me intrigued. I look forward to more of your thoughts.
Hope you stick around ATS and share yourself elsewhere on the boards, too.
reply to post by tetra50
Heh, point taken and no respect needed.
It's a tad problematic for me to post in this thread (despite the recent number of them) as I keep being reminded of other associations with every thought here... and even the subject matter at it's most basic sounds like a synopsis for the latest edition of the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders... for the sane who are reading this) IV is it? Or V?
But really, if these guys have made some contact with those thingies in the aether... or even beings of a certain physicality... but then off my mind goes to other supposed contacts with these things that end up being, invariably, seemingly worthless, empty platitudes or devoid of anything relevant to our human state, or lies.
I guess what I'm meandering off into is the thought that contact has been made before (and that probably entails physical as well as mental, or mediumistic contact) with otherworldly beings with nothing of "real" worth being transmitted... and the meanings behind that are so convoluted and tangential and possibly reflective of our actual state in our "reality" that ... well, forget that, but suffice to say I'm still curious as to their methods and results and that statement (ludicrous statement) about the scout ship and the rescue mission in 2 months.
When compared with their other work, serious as it appears to be, it seems to be in stark contrast... though as I can't decipher most of what they are communicating on their site I wouldn't really know... and that is the main problem here... the lack of information and the ideas we use to fill in the dark void of non and disinformation... the void is staring back at us and we see ourselves, to paraphrase.
So do they know what they're doing or are they savanty emos being seduced by elements of primal chaos with DARPA looking on and drooling?
Heh, point taken and no respect needed.
It's a tad problematic for me to post in this thread (despite the recent number of them) as I keep being reminded of other associations with every thought here... and even the subject matter at it's most basic sounds like a synopsis for the latest edition of the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders... for the sane who are reading this) IV is it? Or V?
But really, if these guys have made some contact with those thingies in the aether... or even beings of a certain physicality... but then off my mind goes to other supposed contacts with these things that end up being, invariably, seemingly worthless, empty platitudes or devoid of anything relevant to our human state, or lies.
I guess what I'm meandering off into is the thought that contact has been made before (and that probably entails physical as well as mental, or mediumistic contact) with otherworldly beings with nothing of "real" worth being transmitted... and the meanings behind that are so convoluted and tangential and possibly reflective of our actual state in our "reality" that ... well, forget that, but suffice to say I'm still curious as to their methods and results and that statement (ludicrous statement) about the scout ship and the rescue mission in 2 months.
When compared with their other work, serious as it appears to be, it seems to be in stark contrast... though as I can't decipher most of what they are communicating on their site I wouldn't really know... and that is the main problem here... the lack of information and the ideas we use to fill in the dark void of non and disinformation... the void is staring back at us and we see ourselves, to paraphrase.
So do they know what they're doing or are they savanty emos being seduced by elements of primal chaos with DARPA looking on and drooling?
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on 8/22/2013 by Baddogma because: add thought
Originally posted by Baddogma
...When compared with their other work, serious as it appears to be, it seems to be in stark contrast... though as I can't decipher most of what they are communicating on their site I wouldn't really know... and that is the main problem here... the lack of information and the ideas we use to fill in the dark void of non and disinformation... the void is staring back at us and we see ourselves, to paraphrase.
So do they know what they're doing or are they savanty emos being seduced by elements of primal chaos with DARPA looking on and drooling?
That "stark contrast" is baffling indeed. Funny thing though, we've seen it before. Take the alleged FL's Remote Viewing angle and think of our own 20 yr CIA/SRI involvement with RV'ing and other weird science esoterica.
Some of our absolute brightest minds--world-class scientists for gosh sakes--dabbling in the "Aether!" What in tarnation--or to put it in the modern vernacular--WTF!?
Do they know something we don't? Or are they just the same kind of cross section with the same varied interests as us common folk, and as such it's reflected in their research? That's got to be at least a partial explanation.
Then again nobody generally PAYS us, and the associated research costs, to follow our eclectic interests. And for such a long time as in the RV example.
And to your comment about the "void." You're right...much speculation, little real evidence. Enough for the big HRMMMM, though! I'm almost ashamed to be trafficking in such speculation now that you mention it. I said, "almost."
Looks like they recruited a new member rhyer. Which one of you guys crossed over to the nefarious dark side? Keep digging. I'm emailing them right
now in regards to the site and why it's there. We are all monitored and stored in data centers anyways. So instead of pulling straws, i'm going to
give a honest inquiry of why it's there. If my tax dollars is funding any bit of this research. I wanna know.
Still keeping my "Eye" on this thread and FL as it were...
Their membership inexplicably increased from 14 to 15 with the addition of Aedur posting now in English quotes and using what looks suspiciously like DA Muro program for their drawings.
Someone had mentioned that perhaps with the encounter with ATS that they could be recruiting. Looks like those accusations might not be unfounded...
Is an ATS member (other than the recently joined Direne) now associated with FL? If so I would be curious to know who!
*ADDENDUM* I Stand corrected the member count is now 16 as 2 have joined in August the newest being rhyer.
Their membership inexplicably increased from 14 to 15 with the addition of Aedur posting now in English quotes and using what looks suspiciously like DA Muro program for their drawings.
Someone had mentioned that perhaps with the encounter with ATS that they could be recruiting. Looks like those accusations might not be unfounded...
Is an ATS member (other than the recently joined Direne) now associated with FL? If so I would be curious to know who!
*ADDENDUM* I Stand corrected the member count is now 16 as 2 have joined in August the newest being rhyer.
edit on 23-8-2013 by abeverage
because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by guardian0111
Looks like they recruited a new member rhyer. Which one of you guys crossed over to the nefarious dark side? Keep digging. I'm emailing them right now in regards to the site and why it's there. We are all monitored and stored in data centers anyways. So instead of pulling straws, i'm going to give a honest inquiry of why it's there. If my tax dollars is funding any bit of this research. I wanna know.
I was just typing my post and posted it as you posted this. There are actually 2 new members as of this month.
Originally posted by abeverage
Still keeping my "Eye" on this thread and FL as it were...
Their membership inexplicably increased from 14 to 15 with the addition of Aedur posting now in English quotes and using what looks suspiciously like DA Muro program for their drawings.
Someone had mentioned that perhaps with the encounter with ATS that they could be recruiting. Looks like those accusations might not be unfounded...
Is an ATS member (other than the recently joined Direne) now associated with FL? If so I would be curious to know who!
*ADDENDUM* I Stand corrected the member count is now 16 as 2 have joined in August the newest being rhyer.
Cult building? Is one of the new members an artist, if I'm to understand correctly?
Originally posted by The GUT
Originally posted by abeverage
Still keeping my "Eye" on this thread and FL as it were...
Their membership inexplicably increased from 14 to 15 with the addition of Aedur posting now in English quotes and using what looks suspiciously like DA Muro program for their drawings.
Someone had mentioned that perhaps with the encounter with ATS that they could be recruiting. Looks like those accusations might not be unfounded...
Is an ATS member (other than the recently joined Direne) now associated with FL? If so I would be curious to know who!
*ADDENDUM* I Stand corrected the member count is now 16 as 2 have joined in August the newest being rhyer.
Cult building? Is one of the new members an artist, if I'm to understand correctly?
Of that (cult building) I could only speculate. And art much like beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
Oh and for not mentioning me in your summation! lol
Originally posted by abeverage
Oh and for not mentioning me in your summation! lol
Oh, you most certainly caught my attention. Your stars should definitely reflect that. You made my "preferred posters" list after reading your contributions in this thread. Indubitably.
Now, look what you've done; you've made me show an instance of favoritism. I hope you are proud of yourself.
So, anyhoo, is one of the new members interested in personal creations of graphical representations? Are they an "artist?"
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Originally posted by The GUT
Originally posted by abeverage
Oh and for not mentioning me in your summation! lol
Oh, you most certainly caught my attention. Your stars should definitely reflect that. You made my "preferred posters" list after reading your contributions in this thread. Indubitably.
Now, look what you've done; you've made me show an instance of favoritism. I hope you are proud of yourself.
So, anyhoo, is one of the new members interested in personal creations of graphical representations? Are they an "artist?"
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Stars, Mars! I am sorry my Ego enticed you, but I was joking I do what I do mostly for me adoration aside.
Hmmm Again an "artist" is subjective, but yes they are creating graphic representations. Personally like much of the images on FL as it were its not my cuppa...
But they also pulling quotes from famous or not so famous writers, depending on your tastes. And as I know FL typically is only quoting various sources (The Book of Enoch for instance) and translating them in usage with their manufactured languages.
So why now in English?
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Originally posted by abeverage
So why now in English?
Newbie don't have the decoder ring?
I guess an alternate theory could be that FL is "pandering" for a bit more attention. But I think it has more to do with linguistic skill and/or access to the tool set.
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hey Abeverage:
It would support the idea that they may be, in fact, recruiting. But from what I read of their videos (didn't watch any of them) I would be worried what I was being recruited for, exactly. Not only that, but the whole concept of an "anti-language," as Ayndryl described, (as I've repeated so many times, I'm sure everyone's sick of reading it), was for their group to be able to communicate with one another whilst in the company of people not of their group, and not be understood by the "outsiders." Nothing like people standing around talking about you right in front of you, and you have no idea......has a kind of social nightmarish quality to it.....
I found this from Kantzveldt to be a good summation:
Something to for everyone, here. Not so much FL, as a group, but I get the impression that this sums up the underpinnings of DARPA, in terms of aiding a one world, singularity oriented, completely controlled and dominated world. Duality only comes into this philosophy and goal as a way of reinforcing the singularity, by first dividing and then concquering, collecting narratives and actively applying Fichtean Dialectics (Hegelian Dialectics), as well.
reply to Baddogma: This last paragraph is a partial answer, at least, to your query to me, Baddogma.
Sorry, it's taken a few days for me to reply to you, but I've been in a state of mental and physical exhaustion last couple of days, and thought your post deserved more thought then I had so far been able to give it.
I don't mean to a'harping (pun intended) on about DARPA, and the connection, but this is why (nodding to what Kantzveldt wrote above that I quoted) I see DARPA all over this, even besides the connections that were made and sourced in this thread. I don't feel totally comfortable logging onto their website very often, but when I have, I note they are quite "open" about soliciting sub contractor relationships with groups doing research in their areas of interest, and they supply grant money if a group or individual submits a proposal that interests them and their objectives---though, of course their objectives are couched in scientific or computer research type of "jargon," so that those objectives aren't exactly spelled out.
I believe DARPA developed Nodespace, and FL has either been given a grant and the program to experiment with, or they are a cover, perhaps, and directly work for DARPA.....say under some such title as social engineering, natural language processing, neural linguistic programing and cultural effects and affectation of all that rolled up in one big pie......
con't.....
hey Abeverage:
So why now in English?
It would support the idea that they may be, in fact, recruiting. But from what I read of their videos (didn't watch any of them) I would be worried what I was being recruited for, exactly. Not only that, but the whole concept of an "anti-language," as Ayndryl described, (as I've repeated so many times, I'm sure everyone's sick of reading it), was for their group to be able to communicate with one another whilst in the company of people not of their group, and not be understood by the "outsiders." Nothing like people standing around talking about you right in front of you, and you have no idea......has a kind of social nightmarish quality to it.....
I found this from Kantzveldt to be a good summation:
From one side of the great divide then this is about freedom loving Anarcho-Antifa and the Far Left having an head bashing encounter with their arch opponents the Far Right facistic Stormfronters, Left versus Right, Freedom versus Oppression, Goodies versus Baddies.
And if they truly believe that's the real nature of the opposition they have encountered on the other side of the screen then Heaven help them...
Lets have a look at their rose tinted spectacle a little closer, in no Universe that i'm aware of could a group of Stormfronters be thought of as representing the very embodiment of absolute Order and Control, being a somewhat disorderly group with a fondness for failed self indulgent maniacs that brought about anything but order.
It's true the Anarcho-Antifa can do a passable imitation of the forces of Chaos providing the right drugs are provided, but it's hardly the case that the Far Left who run them are freedom loving hipsters, with the dogma of cultural Marxism dictating what you're even allowed to think.
So the analogy of Tinley Park as i see it would be useful chaotic idiots in cahoots with sinister mind control freaks versus marginalized punch bags with a fondness for beer and failed early 20th century political systems, a fight they know they can win in the long or short run every time, so no wonder they look forward to it.
Meanwhile back in the real world the actual krypto-Facistic Ordering of the Far Right Banking-Industrialist-Political Elite is quietly getting on with running the world, and happy enough to direct the general populace toward the ways of cultural Marxism and have them shadow box the punch bag puppets provided.
So there really isn't any sort of confrontation worthy of the name actually taking place, it's all an illusion that caters for all needs, so whether you're of anarchic persuasion, or given to Socialist idealism, Atheistic Humanist or would like to apply for a position within the corporation, well there's a job for you somewhere.
Something to for everyone, here. Not so much FL, as a group, but I get the impression that this sums up the underpinnings of DARPA, in terms of aiding a one world, singularity oriented, completely controlled and dominated world. Duality only comes into this philosophy and goal as a way of reinforcing the singularity, by first dividing and then concquering, collecting narratives and actively applying Fichtean Dialectics (Hegelian Dialectics), as well.
reply to Baddogma: This last paragraph is a partial answer, at least, to your query to me, Baddogma.
So do they know what they're doing or are they savanty emos being seduced by elements of primal chaos with DARPA looking on and drooling?
Sorry, it's taken a few days for me to reply to you, but I've been in a state of mental and physical exhaustion last couple of days, and thought your post deserved more thought then I had so far been able to give it.
I don't mean to a'harping (pun intended) on about DARPA, and the connection, but this is why (nodding to what Kantzveldt wrote above that I quoted) I see DARPA all over this, even besides the connections that were made and sourced in this thread. I don't feel totally comfortable logging onto their website very often, but when I have, I note they are quite "open" about soliciting sub contractor relationships with groups doing research in their areas of interest, and they supply grant money if a group or individual submits a proposal that interests them and their objectives---though, of course their objectives are couched in scientific or computer research type of "jargon," so that those objectives aren't exactly spelled out.
I believe DARPA developed Nodespace, and FL has either been given a grant and the program to experiment with, or they are a cover, perhaps, and directly work for DARPA.....say under some such title as social engineering, natural language processing, neural linguistic programing and cultural effects and affectation of all that rolled up in one big pie......
con't.....
The Forgotten Languages website seems and acts as a kind of bait, with lots of attendant layers to draw, it seems specific types of personalities, to
attract a certain subset of folks, but doing nothing and publishing very little about what they are doing, unless you join them. Look at the wealth
of social information and interaction information, as well as narrative collection, they got out of just this thread on this site, for instance.
But that brings me back to my earlier assertion that there is a specific purpose or agenda behind all of it, while it's also masquerading as a kind of "research."
Again, to you Baddogma, and the Gut's specific response to you about the stark contrast.....but those likely are layers, to attract, as I said, a specific personality type. The videos certainly seem to pushing boundaries, putting it mildly, and the continued mysteriousness to their interaction here with members, replete with subject matter they knew would draw a lot of interest on this website, such as, time travel, teleportation and other species of life.
All while still giving up little about themselves, all designed to draw us in and watch the interplay and reactions here on the thread. They spurred the membership here to push boundaries, and seem interested in where folks draw their lines.....and what are the dynamics that push people to push their boundaries and each other within that context.
Then you have the interaction of actively studying linguists and archeologists, which brings up anthropology into the mix, and their interest in the find at Iruna Velia, which here bears mentioning that this is a political and socioeconomic and academic "situation." This would be of interest to them on many levels: i.e. linguistic studies, all the other parts of it I mention above, as well as there definitely could be some indicators involved here with the possibility of time travel, quantum entanglement through that, and/or even teleportation, because of the difference in time differential and supposed cultural history of Basque artifacts along with Egyptian ones, out of synch, so to speak.
When reading the linguistic scientists same questioning process about who Ayndryl was, and how seriously she, and the group should be taken, it was indeed, another macrocosmic/microcosmic compare and contrast, just as wtih the artifacts, and just as with the reactions of this group of members to their claims, their videos, their "mission statement," if you will. Prompts and see what you get back, observe the dynamics, etc.....
Yes, they know what they are doing, in my estimation, but it's exactly what they are really doing that gives everyone pause. And they were definitely observing our reactions to all of that.
That's enough tangential rambling from me, I think.
Tetra50
But that brings me back to my earlier assertion that there is a specific purpose or agenda behind all of it, while it's also masquerading as a kind of "research."
Again, to you Baddogma, and the Gut's specific response to you about the stark contrast.....but those likely are layers, to attract, as I said, a specific personality type. The videos certainly seem to pushing boundaries, putting it mildly, and the continued mysteriousness to their interaction here with members, replete with subject matter they knew would draw a lot of interest on this website, such as, time travel, teleportation and other species of life.
All while still giving up little about themselves, all designed to draw us in and watch the interplay and reactions here on the thread. They spurred the membership here to push boundaries, and seem interested in where folks draw their lines.....and what are the dynamics that push people to push their boundaries and each other within that context.
Then you have the interaction of actively studying linguists and archeologists, which brings up anthropology into the mix, and their interest in the find at Iruna Velia, which here bears mentioning that this is a political and socioeconomic and academic "situation." This would be of interest to them on many levels: i.e. linguistic studies, all the other parts of it I mention above, as well as there definitely could be some indicators involved here with the possibility of time travel, quantum entanglement through that, and/or even teleportation, because of the difference in time differential and supposed cultural history of Basque artifacts along with Egyptian ones, out of synch, so to speak.
When reading the linguistic scientists same questioning process about who Ayndryl was, and how seriously she, and the group should be taken, it was indeed, another macrocosmic/microcosmic compare and contrast, just as wtih the artifacts, and just as with the reactions of this group of members to their claims, their videos, their "mission statement," if you will. Prompts and see what you get back, observe the dynamics, etc.....
Yes, they know what they are doing, in my estimation, but it's exactly what they are really doing that gives everyone pause. And they were definitely observing our reactions to all of that.
That's enough tangential rambling from me, I think.
Tetra50
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