The Language of Vampyr

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by abeverage

 

I think their whole site being open to the public is probably part of a grander experiment. Or a recruitment tool. Or both.

But I also take it they would like us to bug off.
Just a feeling I get.

Agreed...

I do find it odd that the video was left on the specific ATS link left on page 24....

Has anyone closed their eyes and listened to this? I will when I get home. Also, can 24h come through any speakers? I have no idea about that kind of stuff.

Originally posted by ragiusnotiel
Ah, sorry guys. Definitely fell prey to that trap.

I really don't feel anyone analyzed the video to that extent. I simply saw overlapping images, and wanted to know what they were. That's hardly anything in depth.


So they're remote viewers as well? That's a new tidbit of information about the group.

Take it as a lesson learned? I do believe we are entering an age where imagery and music could actually alter a persons consciousness (and who knows what else). As the old adage goes "Curiosity killed the cat" we think a little more before we act?

We know we are manipulated with sexual imagery to sell products why wouldn't they use other primal motivations (fear, curiosity) as well?

I am not saying this is what Forgotten Languages is doing or even about, but what if they were? What if this was a DOD research site?

Paranoia aside there is no harm in being cautious.

It's a video about remote viewing? Okay.

Hi ATS,

Yes, that video is meant for us, and if you match the 'sentiment' of the images with the images and context from this linked article...

forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org...

However, in other cases, even if the original authors believed that the information was accurate, other people may come along later and spread the same information further with the intent to deceive.

There will be a lot of disinformation if the benefits of being believed are high relative to the costs of not being believed and/or if the intended audience of the disinformation is much more likely to be credulous than to be skeptical.

..from this post:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It will make more sense. It appears to be about disinformation and the difficulties and challenges of disseminating information versus disinformation, despite our best efforts.

But now it is a video about remote viewing? Alright.



Dearest ForgottenLanguages,

What a neat bunch you are. Sincerely, this interaction between you guys and ATS has been a wonderful distraction of the most educational sort.

But remember what I said about Doxa, or rather, what Pierre says about doxa?

Somehow you folks have found that the only way that you can express yourselves artistically is through the same vein of Latin-American surrealist art inhabited by the likes of Roberto Matta, Salvador Dali and Jorge Borges. I don't know if you got there on purpose, or if it was a happy accident; but it seems that now you have a pretty extreme case of doxa-collision happening.

So, Jackson Pollock's finger-paintings are "art", and your 'new' video is about "remote-viewing"?

Sure it is.

I know some of the most hard-core and affluent collectors of surrealist art, and many of them find Szukalski to be "too harsh". Think about that for a sec.

And that's it. I gotta get away from this thread. It's rough being reminded daily of how little I know about anything, even though that in itself is very educational.

Finally to ATS; The thing that gives this whole crate of goodies that creepy feeling is all of the paradoxes. They are actually nested paradoxes. Nested within the paradoxes are other paradoxes that aren't anywhere near being on our radar.

That is why it requires multi-specialty teams to tackle this stuff; no one brain can do it.

I'm out.

cred·u·lous

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Synonyms
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reply to post by Kantzveldt


Fascinating post. Makes me wish my major was dead languages and I wish I had that gift.

I don't mean to offend any one but maybe I'm just overly suspicious.

Does anyone else get the feeling this bait of some kind? Just seems strange all of sudden they'd like to talk to us.

These are supposedly hardcore scientist yet they'd be interested in answering questions from a conspiracy site?

Things just don't add up.

I could be wrong, though.

Originally posted by Doodle19815
I do find it odd that the video was left on the specific ATS link left on page 24....

Has anyone closed their eyes and listened to this? I will when I get home. Also, can 24h come through any speakers? I have no idea about that kind of stuff.

I listened shortly. I love techno and ambient. But for some reason I was left unnerved by it. Admittedly I am a visual person so I started watching the video. I did the opposite and muted the sound and did a quick frame to frame.

It was no more disturbing (albeit less so) then the current torture porn movies. But still enough to be grotesque. I have never understood this desire to see imagery like that. I have always been a GIGO (Garbage In Garbage Out) believer.

So be aware Doodle who knows what is in there 24.04 is toward the lowest end of human hearing

reply to post by JosephPalasky


We reached out to them, and they answered us, I don't see anything out of place. Maybe that video was made for us particularly, maybe it wasn't. If it was an experiment some kind how do they collect results and what would the information tell them? The only hard data I can think of comes in 2 forms, our reaction and continued discussion about the new video here on ATS and how many views there video tabulates too on YouTube. Perhaps they are gauging the amount of traffic and exposure they are getting from here. I do not find anything out of place with this hell if invited I would let them experiment with me I need something to do anyways jk

reply to post by abeverage


When you did the frame by frame did you note the frequency between disturbing imagery versus the serene settings? Those 2 elements would surely be related with how the music plays in regards to length of image exposure against the sound being produced.

reply to post by Brotherman


I wasn't referring to the video they posted but the events that have unfolded up until now.
Just seems strange to me. You're right though we seeked them out not them us.

I watched the vid - not sure what I'm suppose to remote view - I tried really hard but the disturbing images were a bit of a distraction.

Originally posted by Brotherman
reply to post by abeverage

 

When you did the frame by frame did you note the frequency between disturbing imagery versus the serene settings? Those 2 elements would surely be related with how the music plays in regards to length of image exposure against the sound being produced.

Excellent point and no I didn't. It was a quick and dirty look otherwise I would throw it in something like Raven. But I am by no means at all a sound expert. There was very few depictions of serene imagery, most of it was overlays to add to the effect of confusion at what you were looking at. Pretty basic stuff mixed with elements of body horror and a nose bleed and a countdown LOL

Can't wait to dream tonight...

If I could I would volunteer you up as well! LOL kidding I kid.

Feel free to analyze it all you want Brotherman, I am not as interested as of now. Life exposes me to enough dark imagery.

reply to post by abeverage


I ask because I was referred to read the material on the bibliography here but also I have been reading into other bits of information related to this as well particularly this:

Responding to Subliminal Cues: Do If-Then Plans Facilitate Action
Preparation and Initiation Without Conscious Intent?
Ute C. Bayer and Anja Achztiger
Peter M Gollwitzer
Gordon B Moskowitz
Social Cognition, Vol. 27, No. 2, 2009, pp. 183–201

I wonder if our chatter about this is/was part of the experiment if there was a test being done on us involving preparation and initiation without conscious intent. If so then the content would be directly related to planned reaction, if so then a type of priming would of also had to have been done. It is curious however I am not bothered by this.
if I am asked to play mind games I'll tell them abeverage recommends me

reply to post by abeverage

Can't wait to dream tonight...

Just drink ya' about six beers.
Works for me.

Okay,

One more. We don't want to find ourselves attempting to remote-view that video, or any of their videos.

Again, I am just throwing this out there, I could be wrong, but I am fairly certain that I am not. But first...

What happens when you do not share a common frame of reference with someone? makes it hard to communicate, right?

And if you were communicating with someone that you do not share a common frame of reference with and they give you specific information; what sorts of problems might arise from trying to disseminate that information to others that share your frame of reference, but also not that of the originator of the information?

All sorts of problems, right?

So, one of two things are happening: 1. These folks are dense as rocks and think that since they understand their aesthetic, everyone else will, or 2: They know we all do not share a common frame of reference with them so they are having fun seeing how we all respond to their material.

Okay, now, what their video seems to really be about is what I will term (because I don't know the proper term) "pre-linguistic neurological impulses and their smallest units of meaning"

When we engage with the topology of our exterior world and then attempt to invest that world with meaning via language, there is a collision of inner and outer topologies. Languages fail when the collision causes a catastrophe. What the people at FL seem to be saying is that if we can focus down on the pre-linguistic neurological impulse and find a way to keep language out of it, we will be able to return from dreamland with Coleridge's flower under our own will. The catastrophe does not arise from the impulse, they seem to be saying, but from the moment the impulse causes us to begin to apply language and narrate our external world.

But right now they are #ing with you for sure.

Ignore them.




Samyama: A yogic method for developing our ability to generate pre-linguistic neurological impulses for 'spiritual growth'.

Originally posted by Brotherman
reply to post by abeverage

 

I ask because I was referred to read the material on the bibliography here but also I have been reading into other bits of information related to this as well particularly this:

Responding to Subliminal Cues: Do If-Then Plans Facilitate Action
Preparation and Initiation Without Conscious Intent?
Ute C. Bayer and Anja Achztiger
Peter M Gollwitzer
Gordon B Moskowitz
Social Cognition, Vol. 27, No. 2, 2009, pp. 183–201

I wonder if our chatter about this is/was part of the experiment if there was a test being done on us involving preparation and initiation without conscious intent. If so then the content would be directly related to planned reaction, if so then a type of priming would of also had to have been done. It is curious however I am not bothered by this.

if I am asked to play mind games I'll tell them abeverage recommends me

edit on 17-7-2013 by Brotherman because: cause im not bothered by this

I asked specifically to Direne in this post about subconscious communication...which was in my opinion ignored.

And of course Brotherman I would recommend you over me any day they have been doing plenty of noodle maneuvers on me! Of course if I could spend more time in the spirituality forum I could learn to get over my EGO and take your place....but I doubt it.

reply to post by abeverage


I meant to add this earlier to give a better idea of what it is I am trying to say if it is an experiment:

Priming is defined as the process of activating a mental representation and its connections to memory in relation to a perceived stimulus. Through this activation, the connections will be more quickly accessible than they would be if they were not primed by the stimulus. For example, in the study by Naccache, Blandin & Dehaene (2002), subjects were required to decide whether a visually presented digit between the range of 1 and 9 is greater or smaller than the target number 5. Before the digits appeared, there was another digit which was presented subliminally. As a result, the decision speed was increased when the subliminally presented digit was congruent to the target stimuli by being greater or smaller than the digit 5. The authors concluded that subliminal priming can activate a particular connection in the memory and make responses faster. However, the priming effect disappears if the length of time between priming and target stimulus is greater than 100 ms. Another very recent priming study was carried out by Friedman et al. (2005), in which males who were subliminally primed with words related to alcohol rated women as more attractive than when they were primed with words not related to alcohol

LINK
now this priming deal =D maybe we can expect some more posts from FL.org here on ATS since they now have a target group once enough people are primed then time for the testing then of course all of our posts and post history is now available for DL CMC testing as well something to think about

Digital Library (DL) CMC
Categorization and Analysis of Text in Computer Mediated Communication Archives Using Visualization
Ahmed Abbasi and Hsinchun Chen
Artificial Intelligence Lab

SOURCE

Hope im not giving them ideas jk


My guess would be IF it was an experiment they would compare results before the video release and after the release in regards to frequency of certain words being used and this would be aquired by the CMC method I posted above just something to think about, the why. (that is only IF it was a test surely we will never know)


Oh and that data would be collected from time stamped posts we have been making here on ATS from before and after


Also Bybyots had an interesting insight up above that was actually a pretty insightful post he made up yonder!!




Also I have been monitering the video frequency of views on youtube they went from 57 views to over 70 in less then an hour and 15 minutes I bet nike or some other person out there monitering the trend will make a nike vampire zombie secret cult and then someone will find it and start snousing nike products and the likes

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by abeverage

 

Can't wait to dream tonight...

Just drink ya' about six beers.
Works for me.

When I do that I have dreams about water, being in water, floating in water, water pouring, luckily I think 6 is where I can still get up and hit the bathroom...

If it were not a school night I would do it but I rarely drink when I have to be somewhere in the morning. If I have one...I then have more than one.

Perhaps back on topic like I mentioned having Beers is again the key to reading the text! LOL

There is one for you FL the effects of inebriation and learning a new language...Oh wait somone already did that...

reply to post by abeverage

If it were not a school night I would do it but I rarely drink when I have to be somewhere in the morning.

I don't always follow that reasoning personally. I believe it was Mitch Hedgberg that said, "I feel sorry for people that don't drink, man. Cuz when they wake up that's as good as they're gonna feel all day."

Sorry for the off-topic, but back to the thread; thanks for all the quality info guys!

I'm gonna have a lot of reading to do later.

reply to post by JayinAR


Hello, abeverage. Watch this, please:

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Direne


That was a pretty awesome demonstration! Seeing as our biology is made of a lot of water, and freqs effect electricity and water what effect is intended with producing material using this frequency?