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The Language of Vampyr

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posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 07:13 AM
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Except you don't have a means to read any shred of any thing from their works on their site what makes you believe that these people are a spooky mystical group? Why does a scientist have to follow any 'ism? In there defense this is defamatory at the least I could probably go farther then that if I wanted to be more articulate.



I gave an undertaking that i wouldn't pursue any further evidence out of consideration for intrusion already caused, but will address anything questioning my premise, so i won't be bringing further evidence into play here, but if i'd wanted to emphasise the spooky nature of this group i'd have infused this thread with much more of THEIR graphic works and articles on extremely obscure Esoteric works.

You will find i have kept this to a minimum, and didn't direct link to Member videos.


If you want to go further and be more articulate as regards to accusations of defamation of their character by all means do so as you make no case there, i feel you are being naive here and overly precious.



The background of their research is in language I see no evidence of a vampiric cult I can provide overwhelming evidence it is based in language. If you follow the bibliographies you will find many texts regarding a multitude of scientific trades, I have yet to find one linking a vampire or secret society course,



You see what you are comfortable seeing, i see 38 articles related to Vampyr, 60 articles related to Romaniel, 50 articles related to Romani, 77 related to Affel.





I don't say it isn't about the things that you see.



Since when does a site that also displays individual members art make them vampires, and you may interpret it as vampiric I find it a tribute to life opinions may vary here. If you apply this logic to ATS what would your conclusion be? We even have a member art forum here that normal people can read in English cause this site is for profit and have alot more then 14 members. Their site is not for profit they obfuscate it from goverment, spam, and prying eyes by using a language base that is not commonly known.



A fascination with vampires in art does not of course make one neccesarily a vampire, one needs to have greater understanding of the contents of the esoteric works they reference and the study of the language and workings of symbology and ritual they reference to understand were they would be coming from on this, and that would be a major undertaking and only understandable to those with a background in esoterica.




I see no reference to such a claim regarding Voynich and the rest is your opinion in regards to your threshold of weird.



They make direct comparison between Voynich and Francisan Alashi as they refer to such through illustrated evidence, as i linked.


Voynich and Alashi



I beg to differ Affel is referenced in their labels along with I stopped counting at 34 because there is so many texts they use I am not an ancient language specialist to make comparitive results in all of these but I can say I have not seen one instance where they refer to a singular communication in Affel out side of the 2 references they mark in the label category where they also like every other one leave the bibliography in English. You claim it is a "supposedly Romanian Vampiric dialect" I do not see this connection. I do see that they are connecting early language and tracing its changes in morphology, lexical, and historical changes.



When i first started researching the site the great majority of the posts in the Loopscapes section were written by Karadne, in a Romanian based language the same as found in connection with the Affel articles, the evidence from which suggests it is a vampiric dialect, since this thread was started i can no longer source them, but Karadne was far more prolific than Ayndryl.


There is Affels language, there is the Book of Affel...you tell me what this is.

Affels Language



This is wild speculation these languages are not unknown they are just not used in this form anymore, if you get the gist of it can you interpret some of it for me? How do you know that there interest in language is ESSENTIALY demonic and that interact with archaic spirits? I don't think you know this and you are feeding a belief with a fill in the blank answer this is all wildly sensational and tragic. Where is your logic I would say you found something you don't understand and claim heresy, witchcraft, and vampires I know other groups that have used this logic throughout history as well, those people were not good people.



Would you also let me know where the Shelmin database of 6,200 languages is located?

See Tryptamin Mediated Mapping


I won't put my own rough translations out here, but with regards to the spiritual aspect i have identified it is consistent with every line of their enquiry, prior to my posting you had no idea with regards to any of this research, yet now you the expert, an insider even you got an email from Aiyndryl , you might a some point want to consider why i was able to identify the unusual nature of their activities, why before i made this thread their youtube videos only had hits in the single figure, indicating nobody else could.


The fact is i found something i did understand because my interests directly relate to theirs albeit from differant direction and intent



I have given insight, and otherwise debunked vampires for favor of mortal scientists, a singular member of their groups art may be a little disturbing for you but I don't think this person is coming to suck your blood. Also you talk about Chemo-Linguistics I have not found a solidarity source for this claim either but if you look into phonosemantics that covers lots of their "mystical" topics along with tons of info I have already posted on here others refuse to either read, or don't care about. I think you owe them an apology for keeping the witch hunt aliv



You have hugged a tree and turned emo and lost your sense of humour, i found it hilarious Ayndrly sent the vampire cgi video despite the apologetics she recieved in correspondance regarding ATS suggesting they were vampires.

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posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 07:40 AM
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Its pretty clear you have not followed any of their cited work, linking photos to the headline post they make their own book cover. I do not think I am naive, I think you are over reaching and in the first page of this post you link member videos IDK how you are going to say you didnt do that it is there in the linked portion you named member videos




but if i'd wanted to emphasise the spooky nature of this group i'd have infused this thread with much more of THEIR graphic works and articles on extremely obscure Esoteric works.


Show me



You will find i have kept this to a minimum, and didn't direct link to Member videos.


Yes you did page 1



If you want to go further and be more articulate as regards to accusations of defamation of their character by all means do so as you make no case there, i feel you are being naive here and overly precious.


you contend vampires with no proof if your argument of proof is ancient romantic language and the study of it among around 140 plus languages (and sub categories) is your staple this is weak and is wild speculation where do you get this notion Affel is a vampire language along with any romanticized language I would like to know where this source is I know that is not provided on page 1



You see what you are comfortable seeing, i see 38 articles related to Vampyr, 60 articles related to Romaniel, 50 articles related to Romani, 77 related to Affel.


Can you read what is said in those passages? If you can why did'nt you put a translation to support your claim? If you can read those can you read the thousands of other pieces in this site to cross reference and build a solid bases of context?



A fascination with vampires in art does not of course make one neccesarily a vampire, one needs to have greater understanding of the contents of the esoteric works they reference and the study of the language and workings of symbology and ritual they reference to understand were they would be coming from on this, and that would be a major undertaking and only understandable to those with a background in esoterica.


Where do you place your foundation in the contents of estoric works do you speak vampire? ancient romantic language? Yiddish? arabic? Symbology without context can be interpreted however you want. Show me one ritual they reference which is going to show reasonable doubt they are not human and in fact a vampire. A background in esoterica I think a background in pyscholinguistics, linguistics, historical texts, etc etc would be more appropriate. IDK where one gets a PHD in tarot cards or esoterica or any of that this is a silly notion.



They make direct comparison between Voynich and Francisan Alashi as they refer to such through illustrated evidence, as i linked.


I see no such claim as linked I looked multiple times here is there bibliography, no Voynich and Francisan Alashi is a later observer this particular selection is about post ghengis khan in middle asia south of china north of europe btw

Bamana (2006) Gaby Bamana (ed.), Christianity and Mongolia: Past and Present (Antoon Mostaert Center: Ulaanbaatar, 2006) [Proceedings of the Antoon Mostaert Symposium on Christianity and Mongolia: Past and Present, Ulaanbaatar, August 10-12 2006].

Brose (2005) Michael C. Brose, “Uyghur Technologists of Writing and Literacy in Mongol China”, T’oung Pao XCI 4-5 (2005) 396-435.

Halbertsma, Tjalling H. F. Nestorian Remains of Inner Mongolia: Discovery, Reconstruction and Appropriation. 2007.

Halbertsma (2006d) Tjalling Halbertsma, “Some thoughts and questions regarding the material aspects of Nestorian gravestones and related material from Inner Mongolia”, in: L. Batchuluun, Conference to commemorate the thirtieth anniversary of the Mongolian Research Institute for Culture and the Arts (Mongolian Research Institute for Culture and the Arts: Ulaanbaatar, 2005) 51-52.

Klein (2006) Wassilios Klein, “State and Church relations of the Nestorians on the Great Silk Road”, paper presented at: 2nd International Conference Research on the Church of the East in China and Asia, Salzburg, June 1-6 2006.

Li and Niu (2006) Li Chonglin and Niu Ruji, “The Discovery of Nestorian inscriptions of Almaliq”, paper presented at: 2nd International Conference Research on the Church of the East in China and Asia, Salzburg, June 1-6 2006.

Nicolini-Zani (2006) Matteo Nicolini-Zani “Jesuit Jingjiao: an investigation into the “appropriation” of Tang Christianity by Jesuit missionaries in the seventeenth century”, paper presented at: 2nd International Conference Research on the Church of the East in China and Asia, Salzburg, June 1-6 2006.

Niu (2004) Niu Ruji, “A New Syriac-Uighur Inscription from China (Quanzhou, Fujian Province)”, Journal of the Canadian Society for Syriac Stu



I gave an undertaking that i wouldn't pursue any further evidence out of consideration for intrusion already caused...

I would search to high heaven and hell before I call someone something

If you want to keep entertaining gallu demons, vampires, and all that I will no longer participate in this thread. Thank you for bringing this information to light I didn't learn anything about Vampires here but I have been learning so much about communication, psychology of language, and technical concepts I would not have learned else where.
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posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 08:03 AM
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Well if you don't wish to accept what i've written you could maybe try putting your hands over Ayndryl's head...?



"Put your hands over her head..."

If the guy tries to touch me, sure his head will start spinning, his eyes will burst out, and he will fall to the floor speaking in tongues... Go tell him.



That was with regards to someone laying the Holy Spirit on her due to her antagonism toward God




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posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 08:08 AM
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If they put their hands over my head the same thing may happen in similar fashion

I read that earlier on and thought i could'nt have put that better myself
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posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 08:15 AM
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There we are then, everyone has an agenda, if you're happy enough to see yourself as capable of unleashing powerful Demonic energies why question my information...?

More likely you don't and consider her response mere attitude, but i'm afraid she meant it.


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posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 08:21 AM
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I for one, would not consider your absence a loss to this thread.

I have seen this vile behaviour of yours, you have presented in this thread, many times before. Your MO is usually to sneak in and then slowly hijacking a thread, after which you start bully the OP that do not adhere to your rather dry and arrogant views.

In this thread you have denied the highly intelligent and kind OP even the slightest of gratitude for having started such an excellent thread in the first place. You instead try to hijack it as your "own" and twist it to your rather extreme views which I almost find amusing.

You, Sir, show very bad manners. I am surprised that you haven´t yet been moderated or warned.
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posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 08:31 AM
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You are entitled to an opinion and I respect that, however I present evidence refute that not character. I put a lot of time into reading the work they are doing I have no issue with the OP this isn't a personal conquest (never said you said I did) I trust you read everything I linked to say something like your last post, being moderated and warned is kind of drastic because I have been linking on topic, relevant information, I respect your opinion attack the evidence if you have none and only an opinion I suggest the rant forum. As far as this forum, this is a secret society forum I see no evidence of a secret society much less a secret vampire cult. If you defend this is a secret society that comprises of vampires, I respect that we have a differing view point.



posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 08:39 AM
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Your last post was deflective of all I have asked you to present to defend your claims of Vampire cults in a secret society. I maintain there is no evidence to prove that there is a vampire secret society and rather I say private people conduct research in language and technology that choose not to be bothered. You can quote one member out of the whole 14 of them to suit your view point, this is dangerous. I could find one member maybe 10, or 100, on ATS to support any claim I am sure to suit a need. One persons private internet history is not proof of a vampire cult, that is a wild claim. If you and others hold firm there is a vampire cult working on linguistic technology and tutor students online and such then that is what it is. It is certain our viewpoints on this are drastically different sure, I still maintain that to make a wild claim you need some kind of evidence, art work by a single member, and a belief of something in a language you cannot read is not evidence, it is a witch hunt.



posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 08:40 AM
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I don't know if this helps at all but I found this interesting when I searched the name Kettenbriefe/Anderson W. This name was written in the bibliography section of the book titled: "THE LANGUAGE OF MAGICAL SPELLS WRITTEN IN EARLY LATVIAN"


The present monograph is devoted to the verse structure of the Estonian
regi-laul
, its regional characteristics and development. The Estonian
regilaul
comprises a part of the broader Baltic-Finnic poetic culture and such terms asthe Kalevala-metre or runo-verse (folk) poetry have been used to describe it.Use of terminology is related to the national traditions, and the establishment of a common term may be problematic since the adjective Kalevala-metre refers tothe Finnish national epic and is therefore inappropriate for the broader Baltic-Finnic spectrum. Nor is the verse metre that this term refers to constant withinthe whole tradition – the origin of the term runolaul is the Finnish word runo,which means a poem, but when translated into English (and by analogy intoother languages) with the phrase ‘runic song’, it results in a misleading allusionto runic scripts. On the other hand, the popular Estonian term
regilaul
, which is also commonly used in the Estonian folklore research tradition, refers to a type www.academia.edu... eated_for_Creation_Verse_Metre_of_Estonian_Regilaul_in_the_Tradition_Processof newer, rhymed folk poetry in the Finnish language.



posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 08:47 AM
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Mate, vampirism IS a trend. Although not widespread, it is very real nonetheless.

bylightunseen.net...

These guys think sucking blood is healthy and to be encouraged.

Another trend is psychological reports of vampirism

en.wikipedia.org...

Where the patients are obsessed with drinking blood.

I doubt elites, societies and clubs are immune to these trends.




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posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 08:48 AM
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The Gothic stuff provides a measure of cover for them in case this happens (us finding their site and asking a bunch of damn questions.)



posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 08:49 AM
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This is a helpful book to study how a language changes and develops over time, the basis of some peoples research start with very old books like this alot of it is interesting for sure I found the selection "saldiar du raan" interesting it talks about visions of heaven and hell before a unified christian europe you can read that selection in the angelic language on the site you will have to cross reference with an irish encyclopedia of literary history though because the language isnt written in a conventional irish script, which makes that text even more unique.



posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Brotherman
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You are entitled to an opinion and I respect that, however I present evidence refute that not character. I put a lot of time into reading the work they are doing I have no issue with the OP this isn't a personal conquest (never said you said I did) I trust you read everything I linked to say something like your last post, being moderated and warned is kind of drastic because I have been linking on topic, relevant information, I respect your opinion attack the evidence if you have none and only an opinion I suggest the rant forum. As far as this forum, this is a secret society forum I see no evidence of a secret society much less a secret vampire cult. If you defend this is a secret society that comprises of vampires, I respect that we have a differing view point.


LOL your reply just made my point.

Well..let me put it this way…citing the most solid or accepted sources from various fields of science as support for flawed opinions, does not make the latter true.

I for one, have not been impressed with your theories , on the subject the OP raised , nor by your manners that you seem to have picked up from the gutter.



posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 08:55 AM
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Where is the proof that this site is ran by people that are vampires, believe they are vampires, are a part of a vampire secret society is all I ask? If there is no proof to this claim then these people have been seriously violated right here on ATS. Even if they were part of some kind of Vampire culture which I maintain I do not believe they are, what right do any of us have to make all these claims about them, is that not some form of segregation, that whole race, color, creed, orientation and all that fluffy stuff? I understand vampire cults and people believe they are vampires exist but I do not believe this is the case here I think the premise of this after thorough investigation leads me to the belief it is quite the opposite.



posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 08:58 AM
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Make no mistake however, this IS a secret society of sorts.
They operate in the open, but there are elements of their work that are secretive.



posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 09:02 AM
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I have not presented any theories I have not retracted in the earlier portions of this thread regarding cessani diskus my methodology was wrong as I was theorizing it was a readable system when in fact it is audible I retracted that along with doubts of the patent I presented. I doubt you read through anything I sourced because there is a lot of information, I sourced it because this is what the majority of the themes represented in their site covers. I do not think I am rude to work about my manners that is the mods job to make that determination, you should attack my sentiments and thoughts and evidence with evidence not cheap shots at me in the form of my manners, this is about finding truths this isn't a personal conquest.



posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Brotherman
Where is the proof that this site is ran by people that are vampires, believe they are vampires, are a part of a vampire secret society is all I ask?


(*Sigh*)

Hm. Did you read my second link? The clinical reports of vampirism? These patient effectively suck blood. Thus they conformed to modern vampirism definition. They didn't just believed they were, they acted on it and became what in modern time we call "vampires".

If they're to form a society, what do you expect them to do? To give themselves away to judiciary investigation? What part of "SECRET society" do you not seem to understand.


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posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 09:09 AM
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For what it is worth, Brotherman has done more leg-work in this thread than anyone participating.
You may not like it, but he is right on most all counts.

Apparently even to the point we disagreed on Diskus.
Not too proud to admit I am wrong.

Thanks for your work Brotherman. ATS needs more members like yourself.



posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 09:14 AM
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Sure but in that link running a linguistic website that they maintain between themselves is not signs of being a modern day vampire, I won't contend against the sites strange nature but it doesnt fall in line with any of the most popular vampire culture websites
Take a look
This one is private apparently
East coast vampire culture in NYC
This one is a forum

make the comparison in quality for yourself from self proclaimed vampire culture to what is presented as speculated vampire culture I am not saying this is the end all but I was down this road earlier on to see if I can find a connection nothing really solid I admit the art work is dark in nature but so is the things I paint

Also use the sites search functions to find a link or a shout out to forbiddenlanguages.org I may have been through 15 or so of these vampire culture sites and didnt find one link however this thread was showing up as number 2 in google
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posted on Jul, 15 2013 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by Brotherman
I am not saying this is the end all but I was down this road earlier on to see if I can find a connection nothing really solid I admit the art work is dark in nature but so is the things I paint

Hm, you got a point.

It seems to me further investigation is required. Is there a way to translate their language to ours? So that we can read their coded texts? I hear there are techniques in cryptography which could be used to do the job.

Something like a frequency analysis perhaps.




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