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The Language of Vampyr

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posted on Nov, 16 2015 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: ATODASO
a reply to: Anaana

i'm pretty sure you're more of a wolf than a mouse, but either way, i trust you'll find a worthy companion.


I am a mouse purely by occupation.



originally posted by: ATODASO

if this is true, the only way to find the answers you're looking for is through an intermediary. even if such a person was sworn to secrecy upon penalty of great pains after death, the answer would have already been leaked. or is lost in the dustheap of forgotten oral tradition. i don't accept that, and i doubt you do either, so intuition it is. it must be simple enough to be gotten at through just looking at it right?


Ah, I see what you mean, but no and refer you back to the reference I made to The Purpose of a System is What it Does.

You can observe output, for starters.




posted on Nov, 17 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: Bybyots
And also, as you know, as I have aged (matured?) it is all mulched down under a deep appreciation for Systems Science; I think you'll find that in my Chinese 5 Elements thread.



You know, I think that might just have cracked it wide open for me. Not just that, but yeah that. Same page, different books?

Gentlemen, both of you, not quite what I'd intended but none the less a productive exchange from my point of view, many thanks. That's going to keep me quietly whittling for a while.




posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 02:46 AM
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a reply to: ATODASO



daemons might be akin to a programming layer, a bot to whom queries can be submitted,




In Unix, what is a daemon?

Daemon stands for Disk and Execution Monitor. A daemon is a long-running background process that answers requests for services.

The term originated with Unix, but most operating systems use daemons in some form or another. In Unix, the names of daemons conventionally end in "d". Some examples include inetd, httpd, nfsd, sshd, named, and lpd.


kb.iu.edu...


I'm not a programmer, or a demonologist. Daemons handle the background tasks associated with the Animus Mundi.

The mistake was made by people contemporary with Plotinus and was based on his teachings. He (Plotinus) complained about it famously.

systemd


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posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 03:14 AM
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a reply to: Bybyots

I'm not able to grasp it, but something in the way it makes my head go still suggests that there is something quite profound in whatever it is that you implied, intentionally or otherwise, there.

Hmmm. Got any more thoughts on that?



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 03:20 AM
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a reply to: Anaana

Yeah, sure, I'll edit this post: gimme a sec...



...hold on.

..so, all that architecture needs services that are running constantly; just like our cities have municipal services.

It all needs to be automatic: cities need to attract inhabitants, it does so by advertising (marketing) an economy of services. We pay for a lot of them, some of them are free...

In American cities, we have areas that are considered to be "un-incorporated" (not Federated), they suffer in unusual ways from those that are, for example.
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posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 03:48 AM
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a reply to: Bybyots

I getcha. The daemons are then intermediaries between process levels, or processing levels, that move between the boundaries of the systems within the/an overall framework????

Not my comfort zone of model or terminology...in case you can't tell, I'm reaching



posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 03:56 AM
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a reply to: Anaana

Yeah that's it, it's the "municipal programs" that communicate between what would otherwise be the dissociated chunks of the bodies of power that make the thing function as a whole. They work together based on communication that is ruled by rules; Policy and procedure.

More coming (eating while typing)...



Oh, God,. I am going to have to succumb to this Tikka Masala bliss that I have subjected myself to. Gonna have to review my own bull# and try again in the morning.

Have A Great Day!


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posted on Nov, 20 2015 @ 04:20 AM
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a reply to: Bybyots

That''ll do me for now anyway...I'm going to take those thoughts on a walk, see what floats to the top while I am otherwise engaged.

(Did you have onion bhajis with that? If not you should next time...I'm willing to share my recipe
)



posted on Nov, 21 2015 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: Bybyots
a reply to: Anaana



as it turns out, i don't agree with you, but i do like where you went with that. (hey, does that mean houses of worship function as the processor?)

just as we build city walls to keep the wild animals and the lepers out, so we construct languages to provide a barrier against unordered phenomena. even if one had the tools to tear down tlon, to do so is to be annihilated by the madness beyond the walls. you guys were talking about cards and sticks and #, so i decided to try out stichomancy.


Extramuros: (1) In old Orth, literally “outside the walls.” Often used in reference to the walled city states of that age. (2) In Middle Orth, the non mathic world; the turbulent and violence state of affairs that prevailed after the Fall of Baz. (3)In Praxic Orth, geographical regions or social classes not yet enlightened by the resurgent wisdom of the mathic world. (4)In New Orth, similar to sense two above, but often used to denote the settlements immediately surrounding the walls of a math, implying comparative prosperity, stability, etc.



Painting and text constantly refer to one another—commentary here and illustration there. We find the same theme of the Narrentanz over and over in popular festivals, in theatrical performances, in engravings and woodcuts, and the entire last part of the Praise of Folly is constructed on the model of a long dance of madmen in which each profession and each estate parades in turn to form the great round of unreason. It is likely that in Bosch's Temptation of Saint Anthony in Lisbon, many figures of the fantastic fauna which invade the canvas are borrowed from traditional masks; some perhaps are transferred from the Malleus maleficarum.



The misfortune of the mad, the interminable misfortune of their silence, is that their best spokesmen are those who betray them best; which is to say that when one attempts to convey their silence itself, one has already passed over to the side of the enemy, the side of order, even if one fights against order from within it, putting its origin into question.



posted on Nov, 21 2015 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: ATODASO

Hi,

I'm here. It's just that you make me work while I'm trying to have fun.

Hold on...

How much Stoli have you had? You have to have had *this* much Stoli to ride this ride...

Okay wait. Orth? You just exploded my head. Hold on, glue is nearby. You've obviously had enough. So far...

...and no link. You're a stud.



Painting and text constantly refer to one another


That means I get a break for being circuitous...hold on...

...drink.



The misfortune of the mad, the interminable misfortune of their silence, is that their best spokesmen are those who betray them best; which is to say that when one attempts to convey their silence itself, one has already passed over to the side of the enemy, the side of order, even if one fights against order from within it, putting its origin into question.


Christ Jesus, you want me to comment on this! We've been over this and we agree...



...hold on. #.

Okay, I actually (actually!) have something for this...hang tite, I'm gonna try...


...deconstructing...

I found the Stephenson story. You are asking me to comment on a paradoxical word invented by same.

You are just not playing fair...

If I tell my story, it will leak my power...

I won't tempt the Ape of Thoth for 3 more weeks.


So, I have nothing and will have to make some # up.
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posted on Nov, 21 2015 @ 07:49 PM
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a reply to: ATODASO

The danger and the titillation of finding out what is beyond the walls, is the whole point.

A Vampyre Language is what challenges this economy of language. Individually and as a "People".

Next.



P.S. Gypsies. Right?
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posted on Nov, 21 2015 @ 08:53 PM
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originally posted by: Bybyots
a reply to: ATODASO

Hold on, glue is nearby. You've obviously had enough.




hey man, everybody's got his own route out of the city.



posted on Nov, 21 2015 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: ATODASO

But it is!

Further!, as the Merry Pranksters would say.

Why do you default to "debunker" when I disagree? I just revisited the orbs thread. You treated me likewise there.

I just don't get it. If you truly didn't understand, you would ask me what I meant by "The Ape of Thoth". Don't play your losing hand and then try to convince me that you understand the cards differently with no, well, something, something.




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posted on Nov, 21 2015 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: Bybyots

You spent that whole time finding that .gif.

This has ceased to be a game.

I'm not smarter than the smartest.

*shrug*

What are you trying to say?



These are Golden Days, I appreciate you deeply.
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posted on Nov, 21 2015 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: Bybyots
a reply to: Bybyots

You spent that whole time finding that .gif.


zero effort expended. you'd be surprised what comes up when you search "huffing glue" (or maybe you wouldn't), but that puppy was in the top three results.


What are you trying to say?



the "language of the birds" is a way one can bypass the linguo-cognitive mechanism that converts madness into knowledge, allowing one direct apprehension of the systems from which order proceeds. the primary challenge is to get at it non-verbally, whether by getting caught in the refraction between the image and the word, or by destroying one's verbal centers through inhalant abuse. destroying or transcending language is so dangerous and difficult, respectively, that it might as well be a safety feature built into the human brain.



posted on Nov, 21 2015 @ 10:29 PM
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or by destroying one's verbal centers through inhalant abuse.


Or just by habit because your loved ones, primarily, or yourself, secondarily, are hungry.

Right?

Gypsies. Of which I am descended. (Gitanos)



That love arrives this way, this way.
It's not its fault.
A horse that dances in vain.
Because its so very scorned
that's why it won't forgive your crying.
That kind of love arrive this way.
It's not its fault.

Love for sale.
Love from in the past.
Bembele, bembele, bembele,
Bem, bembele, bembele

Chorus
Bamboleo, bambolea
Because in my life. I prefer to live it that way.
Bamboleo, bambolea
Because in my life. I prefer to live it that way.

You are unforgivable
You are my life, the fate of destiny,
in the destiny of abandonment.
Still the same as yesterday,
I am just the same.
I can't find you, in abandonment
It's impossible, I really can't find you.
That's why one day I can't tell if for nothing
The same as yesterday,
I'm thinking of you.

Chorus
Bamboleo, bambolea
Because in my life. I prefer to live it that way.
Bamboleo, bambolea
Because in my life. I prefer to live it that way.

Bamboleo, bambolea
Because in my life. I prefer to live it that way.
Bamboleo, bambolea
Because in my life. I prefer to live it that way.






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posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 02:28 AM
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originally posted by: ATODASO
just as we build city walls to keep the wild animals and the lepers out, so we construct languages to provide a barrier against unordered phenomena. even if one had the tools to tear down tlon, to do so is to be annihilated by the madness beyond the walls. you guys were talking about cards and sticks and #, so i decided to try out stichomancy.


I'm not disagreeing with you (yet), but do we construct language as a barrier? Isn't it, as easily, defined as a means of letting people in? Or out? And, what of the madness within the walls? If language is both the in and the out, then surely, some language can be used to keep me out, some to keep me in, and therefore, naturally, there must be a language that enables me how to come and go as I please?



posted on Nov, 22 2015 @ 04:55 PM
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Well, maybe it is simply because I am a simpleton, bit it seems to me that you guys are taking a relatively simple concept and over-complicating the heck out of it...

...I mean, to put it in the simplest terms: Aren't all languages simply a means to an end?

We "construct languages" in order to get what we want...

("want" both in the sense of 'desire' and in the sense of 'what we are 'in want' of', i.e. 'need')

Whether that's "in" or "out" or getting/letting/keeping 'others' "in" or "out"...

Even the "language of the birds" is, by necessity, a language - the only way you could "bypass the lingo-cognitive mechanism" would be telepathically and even then, you couldn't really communicate much beyond certain 'states' of mind (primarily involving emotion).

I admit I could be wrong, but I come to the above conclusions thru studied consideration of the story of Helen Keller -

- who was struck totally deaf and blind by illness at the age of 10 months, and thus had no exposure to 'language' until the age of 7 when a teacher named Annie Sullivan entered her life...

...Yet, having no exposure to "language", as a child Helen still managed a (very small) degree of 'communication'...the problem being in the lack of understanding of those she was attempting to 'communicate' with -

- in other words, no one 'spoke' Helen's 'language'...

I don't know if I've made my point or not, my family is urgently communicating the need for me to hurry up, so they can start the "Doctor Who" episode we have downloaded...



posted on Nov, 23 2015 @ 01:24 AM
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Of course Keller was lucky she was caught when she was, another three years and she'd have struggled to develop the skills required to communicate effectively with others. She could have learned words, as isolates, but the rules and associations required to relate those words with objects, experiences and feelings, would have been much harder for her, and the ability to construct a sentence possibly totally beyond her. A friend of mine, an elderly lady, suffered a stroke in Spring that mostly effected her verbal skills. A retired headmistress who now can only talk gibberish.

Helen may have been "talking" before but noone was "listening" or understood her language.

If all I do is listen to my friend she is unable to communicate because the sounds that come out of her are abberations of her thoughts.

I can communicate with my son, and some others, without making a sound. A raised eyebrow, widened eyes or tilt of the head can communicate volumes, no need for words, we can inflect otherwise.

We have come a long way since Keller and others like her, my friend despite advanced years is coming along with speech therapy, getting enough accurate word retrieval to allow her to continue living independently. She can be reassembled, to some extent, and a child never taught to communicate, or because they are blind, deaf and mute, can be brought out of that isolation because of advances in our understanding.

Anyway, I have no idea what the other two were talking about, but my own perspective is that language is used to include and exclude. I don't think that it is necessarily that you are a simpleton, but that level of reductionism, as illustrated by Helen Keller, does demonstrate that Helen both had to give others the tools to "get in", as well as those to "get out". I'm kind of talking more about those rules of communication and language that apply to "keep out"...sort of. Or in another example, consider the language of bureaucracy, of banking, the law, medicine...and how those specialised languages enable and disable open communication, and can exclude others.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 01:34 PM
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I've been keeping up to date with the output on forgotten languages...they're incredibly industrious of late...most of it of course unintelligible to myself, but I am ever curious about the aesthetic they have going on and there's the odd sentence to give me the illusion of welcome. Anyway, I am pleased to report that I clicked on their latest video and didn't turn it off before the end. First time for me.

I kind of like it.



It's a bit collagey, I can't tell if that is intentional or not, some nice use of imagery choppily spliced together and overlapped.

Heinlein came to mind


Having watched this one all the way through, should I have any unusual dreams, or what-have-yous, I shall report them promptly.



PS. I also love the latest Cassini-thingy-ma-jig



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