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The Language of Vampyr

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posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 01:42 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear



PER SE,


Dear Kev,

I know that you don't know this but for several of us this thread is a drinking game. Everytime someone uses the Latin phrase "per se" in the vampire thread we all must consume 250ml of 80 proof whatever immediately. Personally, I needed the sleep.

Also, it earns you one of these...



Thanks,





posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 02:27 AM
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a reply to: Bybyots

At sundown in the GMT+5 Time zone it will be determined whether KPB is a shaman or not...




posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 07:19 AM
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a reply to: tetra50
Nothing you do is a cognitive response. Ever. You breath on impulse, your body moves on impulse. Neither are conscious or cognitive. Our brains just fool us into thinking that we are consciously in control, because that is a psychological defense mechanism that we have developed with consciousness. Those emotions you feel, they are all merely chemicals released and neurons firing in your brain. None are cognitive. We aren't 'in control' and never have been. So, stop fearing mind control and fearing that some omni present being is running your life and making decisions for you. It is already happening, to everyone of us. All the time. And has always been. At least in the physical sense.

Remember when direne said that humans can recognize the word being spoken before the muscles in the mouth have finished producing the sound?

To put it more simply, we only think that we are steering the ship. Science has told us that isn't the case. We aren't just not steering the ship; we barely have time to chart the course before our body makes the decision to embark on a new voyage.
Now, this thread should be getting interesting soon. Can we try not to derail it with private conversations that are not on topic?

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posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: SheepDipped
a reply to: tetra50


Now, this thread should be getting interesting soon. Can we try not to derail it with private conversations that are not on topic?


This "train" has suffered more derailments than Amtrack.



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: Bybyots

At sundown in the GMT+5 Time zone it will be determined whether KPB is a shaman or not...





I'm going to take this teasing as 'love'. If it isn't, I'll still
believe this in a religious-denial sense, to shelter my
poor fragile ego that can't take confrontation.

;-)

I did ask the blue Djinn and other plasma entities
to not put that countdown up, but they insist on
teasing me as well.

Well teasing me is better than eating me for dinner
I guess, Per Se.



*hic



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: SheepDipped
a reply to: tetra50
Nothing you do is a cognitive response. Ever. You breath on impulse, your body moves on impulse. Neither are conscious or cognitive. Our brains just fool us into thinking that we are consciously in control, because that is a psychological defense mechanism that we have developed with consciousness. Those emotions you feel, they are all merely chemicals released and neurons firing in your brain. None are cognitive. We aren't 'in control' and never have been. So, stop fearing mind control and fearing that some omni present being is running your life and making decisions for you. It is already happening, to everyone of us. All the time. And has always been. At least in the physical sense.

Remember when direne said that humans can recognize the word being spoken before the muscles in the mouth have finished producing the sound?

To put it more simply, we only think that we are steering the ship. Science has told us that isn't the case. We aren't just not steering the ship; we barely have time to chart the course before our body makes the decision to embark on a new voyage.
Now, this thread should be getting interesting soon. Can we try not to derail it with private conversations that are not on topic?


en.wikipedia.org...

That we really have minimal free will (as you are really saying)
was proven years ago. I post about the 95% of our thought is
unconscious thing all over the place.

(apparently the memes in my head and other influences if
any want to discuss this topic for some reason ;-) )

In my own way I've been working on this uncomfortable
truth for decades; but people have generally not wished
to discuss it with me.

I welcome this subject with wide open arms.

Kev



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ah! Free will, the most fascinating human construct.




posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ah! Free will, the most fascinating human construct.



It certainly doesn't seem there IS an 'on topic' except to discuss
some crazy stuff and to occasionally mention FL.

What IS the soupe de jour?

I'm perfectly able to play nicely if I know the topic; well
maybe. I do get excitable sometimes.

Kev



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 09:19 AM
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Well, the countdown is now a countup.



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: boozo

Well, you guys should wonder too what it's counting up right? LOL



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 09:22 AM
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a reply to: boozo

Well, let me burst the bubble. It's also counting up for a High Level Medieval Event. Just wait for it... wait for it...



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ah! Free will, the most fascinating human construct.



It certainly doesn't seem there IS an 'on topic' except to discuss
some crazy stuff and to occasionally mention FL.

What IS the soupe de jour?

I'm perfectly able to play nicely if I know the topic; well
maybe. I do get excitable sometimes.

Kev



I think the topic is fluid and seeing how this is a thread using language to discuss anti-language than everything is on topic. Right? *puzzled*



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ah! Free will, the most fascinating human construct.



It certainly doesn't seem there IS an 'on topic' except to discuss
some crazy stuff and to occasionally mention FL.

What IS the soupe de jour?

I'm perfectly able to play nicely if I know the topic; well
maybe. I do get excitable sometimes.

Kev



I think the topic is fluid and seeing how this is a thread using language to discuss anti-language than everything is on topic. Right? *puzzled*


Then if there is no topic, then please no chiding me about being off-topic!

Well, if it makes you happy, i don't mind.

Us fake shaman's are very forgiving you know.

PS: but it would seem that language and 'anti-language' are definite
themes.

Kev



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 09:31 AM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ah! Free will, the most fascinating human construct.



It certainly doesn't seem there IS an 'on topic' except to discuss
some crazy stuff and to occasionally mention FL.

What IS the soupe de jour?

I'm perfectly able to play nicely if I know the topic; well
maybe. I do get excitable sometimes.

Kev



I think the topic is fluid and seeing how this is a thread using language to discuss anti-language than everything is on topic. Right? *puzzled*


Then if there is no topic, then please no chiding me about being off-topic!

Well, if it makes you happy, i don't mind.

Us fake shaman's are very forgiving you know.

PS: but it would seem that language and 'anti-language' are definite
themes.

Kev


I didn't levy that accusation, I was merely informing the other poster of the seemingly inevitability of such an action.



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ah! Free will, the most fascinating human construct.



Ok, back to a 'real' topic.

If we have little actual free will.. which is demonstrably true..
then we are all in fact like nodes in a giant networked computer..
that runs autonomously.

(I've said this for years).

We are actually a colony creature then.

Now the questions that follow would be:

1) Are we linked ONLY by memetic transmission, which requires no permanent
substrate to do the transmission?

2) Is there a permanent substrate? Perhaps the Earth's magnetic field.. or some
other field - but "100th Monkey experiments fail".

3) Are we perhaps in a symbiotic relationship with another lifeform? Like our
stomach flora.. that is with us every step of the way.. but we scarcely ever
realize they are there.. like the stomach flora.

Or we could just be stupid primates about to destroy themselves, acting
nearly completely at random with only the illusion of order in the chaos.

Or something like that..

Kev



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 09:39 AM
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The topic is obviously countdowns, I mean ups...can you buy one, do they fit in a box, are they available in many, many colours and do they represent final proof that entropy in the universe is going the wrong way?



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

How does learning and speaking any given language impact your free will? You are certainly free to communicate or not, but when you do it is under a set of rules coincidently enough.

If we can accept that you do have to forfeit, if even marginally, some of your freedom when engaging in those sets of rules, how does it differ using other forms of communication? Or anti-communication.

What if it's just two people isolated from birth? Suppose they learn an effective communication style between them. Does one or both sacrifice any free will to the other or equally, or not at all? If one taught the other the process or one had a better process so the other concedes to his...rule, how would that effect the one who concedes?


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posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

To answer your question. 3

We are connected on more levels than most people will ever know, if not all of us. Unless of course someone was able to pluck me out of this...."reality" so I could be on the outside looking in, there's no way to really know.

I don't mean death. Even than, is there any guarantee you're out of the control system? Even if I were to be granted such an awesome privilege, how would I know I'm out of the system?


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posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: Rosinitiate

Actually even our 5% free will isn't worth
much, if anything. Apparently our 'free will'
developed as a survival mechanism to
keep track of social gossip. That may be
the entire reason for our sense of self,
at least according to some social scientists.

But to respond to your interesting questions,
I seem to recall that 'hermits' have been studied,
and without routine language use, their sense
of self, in the normal sense, fades away.

Kev



posted on Aug, 4 2015 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

To answer your question. 3

We are connected on more levels than most people will ever know, if not all of us. Unless of course someone was able to pluck me out of this...."reality" so I could be on the outside looking in, there's no way to really know.

I don't mean death. Even than, is there any guarantee you're out of the control system? Even if I were to be granted such an awesome privilege, how would I know I'm out of the system?



I agree. But proving that is another matter.

The Universe is constantly bubbling up
new 'pockets of order from chaos', and
it's very likely that even death is meaningless,
as 'we' are one set of the limited number
of ways that matter can combine..and
energy too..as there is the plank distance
is a minimum and energy is similarly
quantized.

We are written into reality due to that
logic and are endlessly discussing
this 'fact' on ATS forever and ever.

(gulp!)

So play nice.... we will be at this
a very long time.

Lookup 'the principle of mediocrity'
on edge.org ...it's not my idea..

Kev



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