The Language of Vampyr

a reply to: Direne

A truly independent observer has never and will never exist, sometimes Nergal works overtime, get over yourself...

a reply to: Direne

Where were those ETs when people were killed in concentration camps in Germany? Hovering gracefully over green fields by the camps? Where are those technologically advanced beings when kids are bombed, abused, and raped?

So, do you consider them as independent observer?

Where is God? Is he an independent observer?

Yes, I think he is considered as one.

Opening the box to see what has happened to the cat will automatically turn you into a God: either you kill the cat, or the cat lives.

As an independent observer?

Getting involved will make them gods, and gods, you see, tend to get too emotional.

The independent observer?

Do you consider yourself an independent observer?

I hope I'm asking the right questions.

And sorry for asking too much.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

I think it do exist in a sense because it's independent and only an observer, we can't really prove otherwise.

It could only be nominal to us.

a reply to: Direne

If you believe that independent observer do exist, then why become an independent observer? What for?

a reply to: joshint

Because it implies a certain innocence, and therefore protection for your soul…..
Direne has talked about the soul, and its energy, so this is something FL linguists are concerned about, and think of in their determineations.

An independent observer is a separate person there to watch what is happening here, but has not responsibility for anything because they are independent of this realm, only here to observe. By her definitions, if there is a God, then he/she must be the quintessential independent observer, given her examples of people in cataclysmic events, WWII, Nazis and death camps, children being hurt…..

tetra

The Shark.

This thread has jumped it.

This explanation about observers is better than mine:


The observer in modern physics

This paragraph is most interesting:

Let us assume an observer and a system to be observed-any observer and any system. Between them, imagine a boundary, and call it an interaction boundary. This boundary is strictly mathematical; it has no necessary physical reality. In order for the observers to learn about the system, they must cause at least one quantum of "information" (energy, momentum, spin, or what-have-you) to pass from themselves through the boundary. The quantum of information is absorbed by the system (or it might be reflected back) and the system is thereby perturbed.

Information passing through the boundary... It concludes like this:

Observers in modern physics truly become participants in their observation, whatever that observation might be.

Now I just wish the observers to show another property: compassion for those who are abused. But it seems "modern physics" remains silent on this.

originally posted by: Kantzveldt
An empty vessel...

There is nothing banal about the Hermetic, nor is the vessel pictured above empty.

a reply to: Direne

Now I just wish the observers to show another property: compassion for those who are abused.

Well, I agree. How I wish too.

But, If we're only seen as an amoeba through a microscope or an experiment on the lab by the independent observer. Then I guess there's no compassion.

a reply to: Direne

Now I just wish the observers to show another property: compassion for those who are abused. But it seems "modern physics" remains silent on this.

Now that's interesting idea Mrs.Direne. What if you show compassion to the abused?

I believe some observer tried it, I wonder the results. But it doesn't seem to matter.

Direne dear, Im very interested in the music! May I contribute?

a reply to: joshint

Some day you will be the one exploring and finding other civilizations on distant planets. You'll need to have at hand a contact protocol. You will have to make up your mind on whether to intervene in the events you observe, or retreat, or stay quiet. Contrary to the movies, you just don't meet other life forms that happily and enter into contact the second after. You'll need a lot of research, observations, experiments, tests, and assesments before ever trying to show up yourself.

Takes time, more than a generation. You'll face the dilemma of whether to help a specific group of locals being abused by another one, or leave them at their own. On the other hand, before travelling the galaxy, I suppose you'll need first to answer what your mission is, why you wish to travel, and what do you expect to find. And before all that, you'll need to solve the problem of whether you'll travel in the name of your entire planet, or in the name of just a small group.

By the way, by the time you be able to travel to distant planets I hope you'll have wiped out of your mind those stupid concepts of "work", "salary", "rank", "flags", and "nationality".

a reply to: Foreshadow

Sure, you're welcome.

a reply to: Direne

Well, yes I already know that. Well, I hope I or more so we would reach to that point.

a reply to: Direne

Takes time, more than a generation.

Well, that's #ed up. I think it depends.

I suppose you'll need first to answer what your mission is, why you wish to travel, and what do you expect to find.

Precisely.

And before all that, you'll need to solve the problem of whether you'll travel in the name of your entire planet, or in the name of just a small group.

That's rather odd.

By the way, by the time you be able to travel to distant planets I hope you'll have wiped out of your mind those stupid concepts of "work", "salary", "rank", "flags", and "nationality".

Perhaps, more so we would not reach that point?

a reply to: joshint

You will. Without help. You'll do it your own way. I am confident. By inference.

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: joshint

You will. Without help. You'll do it your own way. I am confident. By inference.

Without help? Well... yeah. ha ha!

I think help has been happening from time to time.

I think humans do receive help from different sources since way back then.

Well, thanks anyway.

Ahem, hello Direne... something cropped up a couple pages back, and forgive me, but what was that about porn sites as ...experiments? Was that it?

Care to elaborate?

Not that I'm THAT involved in pornography, as the misogyny is horrid and it's all so boring, really... but being human and male, it caught on my mental ear... it was hard enough wiping the infantile Western sexual programing and fear of judgmental super beings out of my own mind-scape, but now certain skin sites as scientifically manipulative?

Tell me more ...

a reply to: Baddogma

NSA implemented long ago a strategy to discredit activists by exposing their habits related to porn-sites.

NSA and porn

While you surf porn sites, the search and viewing pattern you follow reveals a lot of data about your fantasies, prejudices, and likings. This serves to generate an accurate profile about your sexual behavior that can be later on used against you. For instance, if you are a male working for an embassy and they need to draw information off you, knowing you like to see ebony hairy hair girls involved in dominant femdom activities will tell them to select agent Z (a hairy ebony female agent) to approach you, instead of agent Y (a Caucasian blonde female agent).

Apart from that, porn sites are known to sustain a covert traffic of data exchange beyond the mere viewing of videos with explicit sexual content.

Data can be effectively obfuscated in videos and decoded at the other end, and porn sites chats are frequently used for activists to exchange messages that have nothing to do with porn, by virtue of the language used (highly scripted, restricted universe of discourse, limited vocabulary). Gaming sites are also used in that way.

An active use of those sites, as opposed to the above intel gathering activity, would require to upload engineered videos. The idea is to fix an engram in the viewer's mind by using the classical technique of "opposing concepts" (also known as "black snow", "white crow", or "solid rain"). The video shows males and females, or any algebraic combination of males and/or females, involved in whatever sexual practice you may happen to figure out.
Intermixed with the video, there are fixed images selected according to "black snow" strategy in order to fix the engram. Obviously, you could do that using a video of National Geography or a video about a rural wedding in Estonia; however a porn video is a better carrier because the viewer's mind is strongly focused, the rational areas in his/her brain are dramatically silenced, and his/her sexual arousal contributes to generate a specific brain activity that favors engram fixing.

It's about that, basically.

a reply to: Direne
If there is an element of sentience observed in some UAPs, that is, that they are responsive to their immediate environment in a way that can be understood as sensory, and that they can therefore make choices between "good" and "bad" or "healthy" and "unhealthy" rather than subject to stimulus based upon On or Off signalling, doesn't that imply that capability of choice is a primary signifier of learning as an evolutionary mode?