The Language of Vampyr

a reply to: snowman22

Well,

Of all your desires you chose peanut butter frozen custard. And all of fears, death of pet?

Yeah, that seems straight forward.

a reply to: joshint

yeah, most people desire money, love, items, world peace. i have enough of those things that make me happy. but i usually am too tired to go to grocery store after work so i do miss my frozen custard..

and fears i felt ok what would break me if i had some information that i was not supposed to share. and well seeing animals getting killed by their owners with the owners smiling would break me. i mean think about it these pets think you are basically god, you feed them you shelter them you pick up their poop, not only are you the pack leader but you do everything for them and in return pets love you back indefinitely. so to see in person, someone that the pet is showing love and affection to and then watch the owner kill that pet in cold blood would be my biggest fear.

hell when my 13 yr old boxer pit had to be put down due to cancer, i gave my house keys to my vet and said send one of your techs to get my dog while i am at work i do not want to know or see. I didn't want to beak that trust that my dog had with me that i would never intentionally harm him. since it is not possible to explain to an animal why you had to break the bond you had with them. basically the last memory the dog would have experienced would be killing him, i did not want that.

a reply to: snowman22

Yet, you wouldn't mind if the pet is a cat and the "owner" tortures the cat to death, as per your words. Your compassion seems selective, which means is no compassion at all. I would be interested in hearing your reasons for hating cats, sure it will tell a lot about your fears.

By the way, do you know of any story about aliens harming cats?

So, based on this post:

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: snowman22

Anyway, the narrative on abductions by grays using beams and all that has proven false, which casts serious doubt on alien abductions in general. No need to abduct anyone to get some knowledge about human physiology when you can just go to the local library and read everything humans have written about their own physiology. Something cats have not done yet.

Anaana is right: we lack evidence; this plus the physical impossibility of crossing through walls, makes the whole story a subject of folklore. Or psychiatry.

So fear not those imaginary grays yet fear cats: don't expect any mercy from them, for you hate them.

This one: on page 114...

...would be just a load of hogwash?

What exactly are we (well, you and FL) peddling here, Direne?


It's just that it's all getting a bit tedious now....and I had such high hopes....

a reply to: lostgirl

It is all about desires and fears, lostgirl. The desire to make contact with an extra terrestrial civilization, and the fear of it. The wish to meet people from another world, to learn about their world, to get to know their views about everything, and the fear of difference.

Like a kid in a deserted park, willing to meet another kid to get fun together. The wish to find someone to love and someone to be loved by. And the fear of being alone in a deserted park by night.

It is about who we all are and what's life about. It is about the will to meet. It is about the compelling wish to contact, and the primaveal fear of the unknown. And it is all, essentially, about compassion.

It is a two-way path. Always was.

originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: lostgirl

It is all about desires and fears, lostgirl. The desire to make contact with an extra terrestrial civilization, and the fear of it. The wish to meet people from another world, to learn about their world, to get to know their views about everything, and the fear of difference.

Like a kid in a deserted park, willing to meet another kid to get fun together. The wish to find someone to love and someone to be loved by. And the fear of being alone in a deserted park by night.

It is about who we all are and what's life about. It is about the will to meet. It is about the compelling wish to contact, and the primaveal fear of the unknown. And it is all, essentially, about compassion.

It is a two-way path. Always was.

But desires and fears can be taken advantage of. They can be twisted. When we clear away the wreckage of desires and fears taken advantage of, will we have enough compassion left to go on?

a reply to: Direne

i do not enjoy the smell cats have, as much as owners and everyone else says cats do not smell, they do. i have always been able to tell if someone has a cat in their house.

Cats are a carrier of a parasite "Toxoplasma gondii" that causes women and only women to literally go crazy, yet no one cares. think of all the times that crazy ex you had may have only been crazy due to coming in contact with cat that was a carrier (BTW its somewhere around 80% of cats).




basically i have no compassion for cats because none should be given. and in life this is a pet peeve of mine, even though there is irrefutable evidence of something, people just "dont give a ****", and keep things on a pedestal or are hard locked into their views. it is infuriating and I guess cats are the physical manifestation of that.

a reply to: snowman22

Your view is extremely interesting, snowman22. It is clear that your fear is just the fear of death. You are scared of cats, as they are proven carriers of a more dangerous organism for you: T. gondii. Thus, you reason, it is key for your own survival to annihilate cats. Obviously, not all cats are infected, but you cannot take the risk. Survival is the name of your game.

Of course, T. gondii also wishes to survive. Cats, too. Thus you are all three involved in a deadly game: the game of Life.

Now, consider this scenario, please: imagine your species is the galactic T. gondii, that is, consider for a moment that your species is highly infectious and toxic to an extra terrestrial species. According to your logic, it is obviously reasonable for them to try to annihilate you. Perhaps they are even scared not of you, but of your parasites. Wouldn't then be logical for them to stay away from you? Wouldn't be reasonable to evade you, to avoid you, to avoid any contact? Much as you do not kill all cats on Earth, they wouldn't kill all humans either. Better to confine them.

The best confinement would be this: to get all humans on a planet, a planet for them all, they and their parasites, and finally, to put that planet... on another dimension. That would be the perfect sanitary solution, you see. From time to time, they would visit you to watch whether the situation is under control. That's what you would do, anyway. It would be of key importance for you to check that those infectious and toxic humans do not spread out of their dimension. Sometimes, you'll need to abduct some of those humans and perform thorough testing to verify if that evil T. gondii is still inside of them, waiting to contaminate. Of course, that organism is so dangerous that you won't send your own people to do the testing. You send grays, for instance, that is: genetically engineered life forms designed for the sole purpose of sampling and testing.

Imagine, snowman22, that you are the T. gondii for them. Wouldn't they be scared of you? And what do you do? You wish to contact them, to spread. You call it "being me", much as T. gondii will tell you if you had the opportunity to communicate with it.

"Being me". "To be" requires survival. No dead is. Only living ones are.

See? This paradigm would explain a lot of those strange sightings and, in particular, the behaviour those beings display. Being scared of you would explain a lot of things. T. gondii, using cats as carriers, is a nice example to understand the Universe. Now, snowman22, tell me: why is survival that important? How is it that to survive you need to destroy? Tell me: what does T. gondii dream of? Conquering the galaxy? What would you do if you were snowman22 and you realize T. gondii is now ready to explore other planets... and even other dimensions?

Have you ever thought that the elusive nature of those extra terrestrials can be easily explained if you were toxic and deadly to them? Imagine Earth is just a Petri dish.

Who are you?

originally posted by: snowman22
a reply to: Direne

i do not enjoy the smell cats have, as much as owners and everyone else says cats do not smell, they do. i have always been able to tell if someone has a cat in their house.

Cats are a carrier of a parasite "Toxoplasma gondii" that causes women and only women to literally go crazy, yet no one cares. think of all the times that crazy ex you had may have only been crazy due to coming in contact with cat that was a carrier (BTW its somewhere around 80% of cats).

basically i have no compassion for cats because none should be given. and in life this is a pet peeve of mine, even though there is irrefutable evidence of something, people just "dont give a ****", and keep things on a pedestal or are hard locked into their views. it is infuriating and I guess cats are the physical manifestation of that.

I think you may have got that mixed up, this researcher found that it made the men bat # crazy but women more compliant.

The subjects who tested positive for the parasite had significantly delayed reaction times. Flegr was especially surprised to learn, though, that the protozoan appeared to cause many sex-specific changes in personality. Compared with uninfected men, males who had the parasite were more introverted, suspicious, oblivious to other people’s opinions of them, and inclined to disregard rules. Infected women, on the other hand, presented in exactly the opposite way: they were more outgoing, trusting, image-conscious, and rule-abiding than uninfected women.

And when it came to downing the mystery fluid, reports Flegr, “the infected males were much more hesitant than uninfected men. They wanted to know why they had to do it. Would it harm them?” In contrast, the infected women were the most trusting of all subjects. “They just did what they were told,” he says.

www.theatlantic.com...

It's the Stepford Effect

I remember reading another study that showed that male cat owners were considered more attractive by most females, than none cat owning males.

While I am in no doubt that cats have the ability to take over the world, I somehow question their actual motivational impetus. Mine sleeps for 20 hours a day, or thereabouts, so there is not much time left for world domination.

I incidently was always bat # crazy so can hardly blame the cat for that

a reply to: Direne


Fear is a construct of the mind over the uncertainty and unpredictability of the future. Danger is real, fear however is an irrational response to previous stimuli typically creating anxiety and worry over possibly non-threatening concerns...

Do not fear, Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain


Vanish into the night with me
we're racing heartbeats
feel the power arrest me
like shadows of concrete (shadows of concrete)
got to get away got to escape from the daylight
I can see the way the painted beneath the moon
hold on for dear life until it's all gone
we'll come alive and set fear on fire,

we'll set fear on fire...

nope could care less about survival. It is not any more deep of a meaning than i hate things/beliefs/people/objects that humans love and put on pedestals even though all evidence and FACT show that those things need to be eradicated.

so to use your grey analogy. i would not place all humans on a planet on the outer arm of a far off galaxy, i would but them right next to SAG A* and watch what happens, possibly abduct a few twins and see what happens to quantum entangled atoms when one goes through an event horizon and one does not.

my solution to opportunities that might arise due to my species fragile biology is not to isolate said opportunities, but to annihilate them, and if i can extract useful data during that annihilation even better. but at the same time if you do no harm to me or the whole of my species or if i can destroy a threat to my species that it is of no mater, then i just let those other entities live, until they become an opportunity that needs to be taken care of.
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earthly example is ants, i do not go searching for ant hills, but if ants decide to get on my picnic blanket. the ants whole colony will be annihilated with flaming RAID. Why flaming raid and not just raid , or water, or molten metal. since a colony is so easily annihilated, best to make it entertaining since i had to get up and kill them all anyway.

HMM, maybe i dont want earth to find an intelligent planet.
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originally posted by: snowman22
HMM, maybe i dont want earth to find an intelligent planet.
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I couldn't help but be reminded of the Galaxy Song...



...you demonstrate, for me, the "truth" of the last verse beautifully.

So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure
How amazingly unlikely is your birth
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth

www.metrolyrics.com...

Shklovsky, a Russian radio astronomer, stated that there are 5 crises any developing civilization may confront, each of them fatal. These are:

(1) Self-destruction as a result of a thermonuclear catastrophe or some other discovery which may have unpredictable and uncontrollable consequences;
(2) Genetic danger;
(3) Overproduction of information;
(4) Restricted capacity of the individual's brain, which can lead to excessive specialization, with consequent dangers of degeneration; and
(5) A crisis precipitated by the creation of artificial intelligent beings.

Of these, cats are at risk by crises number 2 and 4. Ants are at risk by crises number 2, 3, and 4. Humans are at risk by crises 2, 3, and 5. Currently, overproduction of information is the most promising one, and experiments are being carried out by monitoring brain overloading in visitors of engineered porn sites which, by the way, are many. Overproduction of information is lethal.

Some time ago scientists had a meeting to discuss whether received signals and messages from extraterrestrial civilizations should be disclosed or not. The problem was (is) that the challenges faced in interpreting those messages have proven unsurmountable. All efforts to decode those intentional messages have failed. Miserably. Recognition of this fact have made humans aware of their inherent limits, so they decided not to say a word about those messages.

Apparently, they concluded, the impact on a post-contact world would be dramatic. Imagine the situation: SETI receives a message and the brightest minds on Earth fail to interpret it.

In 1976, during the Giselian crisis, there was an attempt to communicate with those flying objects that visited Cannon AFB. That's known as the CAFB Exchange. I don't know if the Cannon AFB incident have been discussed here. Anyway, the interesting thing is the conclusion Giselians drew about humans: overproduction of information is lethal to humans.

So, we have some humans performing dark experiments on humans using porn sites (is anyone discussing the porn sites conspiracy? No?). We have the intentional strategy of populating cell phones with thousands of stupid gadgets and apps that provide an overload of information; we also a cofounder of the Microsoft Corporation funding the Allen Telescope Array (ATA), we also have the Air Force funding that same telescope and, finally, we have this statement by Dominique Lestel:

"It is likely that the contact with extraterrestrials will lead to a very deep existential crisis for humans. Humans could be confronted with their inability to answer questions of enormous importance to them. First, to become aware of such cognitive and epistemic limits, and second, to accept these limits may seriously test humans. Indeed, up to now, every epistemological crisis humans have faced has led them to alter their conception of the world. The next epistemological crisis, a crisis precipitated by contact with extraterrestrials, could be very different. Humans may come to understand that there exists in the universe a set of phenomena that they will never be able to know because they are not clever enough."

Lestel is a French philosopher whose work is focused on animality and human–animal relations. 'Human' here means "an animal who dislikes other animals and happily annihilate them with flaming RAID".

a reply to: Direne

Anyway, the interesting thing is the conclusion Giselians drew about humans: overproduction of information is lethal to humans.

And how do you figure they reached that conclusion when you also suggest we have been unable to understand them, they made some sort of rude gesture...?

originally posted by: Direne
Some time ago scientists had a meeting to discuss whether received signals and messages from extraterrestrial civilizations should be disclosed or not. The problem was (is) that the challenges faced in interpreting those messages have proven unsurmountable. All efforts to decode those intentional messages have failed. Miserably. Recognition of this fact have made humans aware of their inherent limits, so they decided not to say a word about those messages.

So, quite explicitly, you are stating that there are "signals" and "messages" that have been received, yes? And that you have not been able to decode the messages? Therefore, I don't understand how you can determine that any kind of "civilisation" or "intention" is involved...I presume that you have determined that, hypothetically or otherwise, or you wouldn't just be inserting those details into the context?

What form are you proposing that these "signals" and "messages" take and how are they received?

I think those scientists and experts should take care not to judge everyone by their own clearly limited standards, they'd be surprised at how many are open to all sorts of possibilities and as Donella Meadows put it, relish in "dancing with uncertainty."

a reply to: Direne

so it seems to me we have come full circle finally after all these years when ATS first stumbled on to your site.

for the sake of my theory i will presume these facts to be true.

1. signals or messages have be received by mankind in recent history
2. there are groups nation and private people trying to decipher these signals
3. FL or someone connected to FL has access to some if not all of these messages

so my theory, is FL created nodespaces to decipher these signals. to do this FL set out to "Evolve" human language thousands of years into the future so that it would resemble the civilizations language that is used in the messages we are receiving.

since FL knows the endpoint, that being the messages and signals, and has a starting point being earthbound language. all you have to do is find the right mix of input language and keep evolving it until you have something resembling the extraterrestrial signals. and translate the messages backwards back to common earthly languages.

But here is the issue. we can assume that they are using the common languages of earth either by population(any of the Chinese dialects), political strength (english), or trying to be cleaver and using less spoken (welsh). but while FL takes these languages and evolves them they do not consider destruction of the civilizations that speak those languages. Heck that "supposed time traveler" on godlike prod website, said that african nations ended up nationalizing the earth and colonizing the stars. others have said that the Germanic cultures would rise to be the leaders of earth. and others such as pop culture say it will be a mix of english and chinese .

i feel that FL is trying to complete one of those puzzles that have no edges and have 1000 extra pieces. if FL or any human organization is to decipher the messages we will need much more computing power. since isn't FLs farthest evolved language only to like 21**.

Also once we reach the stars and possibly meet other beings wont we borrow from those languages to describe ideas and events that humans have no way to describe, like you have previously noted direne. so again wont this make FLs attempts futile while using nodespaces since you have no knowledge of any extraterrestrial languages that do not connect with earth? and therefore cannot "input" those borrowed words into your "evolved vampiric language of the stars".

so while FL seems like a clandestine black project of people, i have now come to the conclusion it is more like the MENSA ATS. like hey lets get some very intelligent folks that have good academic backgrounds and can speak very well on their disciplines, and then add the pinch of salt that they believe in conspiracies. and for extra measure we will add a person who really is in the "know" to seed and lead this group.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

You do not need to understand the message, it is enough to know that the signal is artificial. That is the entire idea behind SETI, for instance. If the signal is modulated in specific ways, you can tell it is artificial. Now, a different thing is to understand what message the signal conveys. When Earth sends deliberate signals it takes due care to add that artificiality, for receptors to understand the signal is not from a natural source but, rather, from an intelligent life form.

That's how you perform signal processing. Nature does not modulate signals in complex ways. Intelligent beings do. Otherwise there would be no way to use radio waves as a means to communicate. The goal is to design a modulation scheme that clearly differentiates your signal from cosmic random noise.

Yet, the above applies for interstellar communications. For the CAFB Exchange the scenario was quite different: no need to guess whether the signal was from a natural or artificial source, for the signal was coming directly from the object in front of your eyes. You send your signal, and the object replies back. You perform a frequency hopping, and the object does the same.

Think of a modulated signal consisting of beeps which show a pattern, like Morse code. You receive the signal, you know it is artificial, but unless you know what Morse code is, you'll never understand the message.

a reply to: Direne

I understand that and if as you suggest the Giselians blinked at us and we blinked back that's a form of communication, but again you stated we'd understood none of their communications yet at the same time related we knew there conclusions with regards to our potential, you leave me none the wiser on that.

There are other fundamental questions that also need answering with regards to your Giselian scenario, such as the suggested recovery of biological remains and artifacts from the region, how can that correlate with the shadowy inter-dimensional phenomena characteristics you ascribe to them...?

I noticed that Sialk in Iran was suggested as a possible ancient crash or landing place, what's the evidence for that?

I'm particularly interested in that place because they did at least have the required braziers for a good ghost festival, found at the ziggurat of Tepe Sialk.

a reply to: Kantzveldt

Kantzveldt, at Gisel there was no crash. It is (was) a burial site of some sort. The crash you refer to was the one in the Caspian Sea, which is a separate incident. What was found at Gisel was, among other things, a beacon, buried.

About Lestel, I do not agree with what he says. He assumes intelligence can be compared interspecies. He forgets that it is not that ants do not understand human messages because ants are retarded: it is that ants and humans are a different species, therefore communications cannot be established. Same for Giselians: it is not that humans are stupid, but rather, that Giselians are a different species.

About Sialk, the interesting level is the Elamite one. Elam, in itself, it is as interesting as Sumer. Sialk is considered one of the most important sites in Iran (we call it Elyam) and, as far as I know, they were actively digging there only last year. Yet, like with Jiroft, they will only unearth what's left after someone else has visited the site before them.
A better site, in my opinion, is Mahtoutabad (level IV). But again, looters were already there long time ago. Looters in uniform, according to what the locals say.

It is my conclusion that there are more of those beacons, and that they are located according to a specific pattern, so I guess someone is just going beacon after beacon till they recover all of them. You do not plant beacons on the planets nearby, as you can easily map them using telescopes and probes. However, how would you signal specific areas on a planet that is some 5 light years away from your home planet? You need to use beacons to help those coming after you to navigate that planet.

About interdimensional attributes of Giselians, I do not believe such a thing exists. What happens is that they influence somehow your senses and make you get to an altered state of consciousness. There is a good reason for this, I guess: it is in that state that they can try to communicate with humans. And they do it with images (visions?) that humans do not know how to interpret. Not that humans are dumb, rather, interspecies communication is extremely complicated. You don't always understand your cat.

a reply to: Anaana

I think those scientists and experts should take care not to judge everyone by their own clearly limited standards

I do agree with you. In particular when those scientists are doing science as long as they are paid for and, more specifically, when they are so inconsistent as to bend their backs in front of a guy who thinks himself he is the King of Sweden. It seems those scientists's science is suspended from time to time. It is a bad science the one which is divorced from Logic.