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posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 04:33 AM
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Sorry for the long response from everyone, anywho, i disagree with 90% of all of you imho. Jesus spoke in many parables, almost entirely and you are to make me believe that jesus on a cloud is literal?


Do you expect me to believe the angel who spoke to the disciples in the book of Acts when Jesus ascended was a liar when he told them that Jesus would return in the same like manner that He left? (Physically, in a cloud)

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posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by vethumanbeing

Originally posted by Upton33
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Yeah this would be my answer.

Now we have wait until something like a world war to break out, before he physical shows up.


Oh, the thoughtform is here just as an unwilling participant (would rather be a forward observer ARMED with smart bullets just in case an ideaform must die).
edit on 21-8-2013 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)


Yes, Jesus' consciousness can definitely incarnate a physical body these days. In fact, he can also incarnate other physical bodies in other planets in the same universe all at the same time. This is not unique as the other Masters, such as Gautama Buddha, Mother Mary, Master Magda (Mary Magdalene), Beloved John, and so forth can also manifest their minds to the physical plane as well.

But remember though that these incarnated bodies are new souls and had to start fresh. So any characteristics from the Masters do not necessarily be inherited.

As for the original Spirit Form as Jesus over 2,000 years ago showing up on Earth these days, this will NEVER happen. You have to understand that we have absolute free will in the Material Universe. This also includes Satan. So Jesus is not going to show up and eradicate Satan, because even the most wicked beings on this Plane of Existence have free will just like you and I. Secondly, his True appearance on Earth would be too much for the planet. Have you noticed that Earth still have nights? Well, in Heaven, there are no night time. Because there is more than enough light to always shine through ALL darkness. If he literally showed up, his light would be like a second sun that is physically on Earth. Would you be able to handle such light? Nope, not your physical body. Can anybody on this planet stand on the sun and not die? Your higher bodies can handle it, however. Let's not get into that at this moment.

So is the Bible wrong concerning Jesus' return? No. It's just the interpretation of people that are not correct. Realize that the Bible has great symbolism to explain a lot of things. Don't take it so literally. If you do, you will be blinded based on your current understanding. I'm not going to go into detail of every aspect of the "prophecy" given in the scriptures. But do realize that the Bible speaking of Jesus showing up on clouds is a metaphor for your own consciousness. It was talking through the Christ Consciousness or the Mind of God. When your mind is raised to the level of Christ Consciousness, you will experience an Epiphany as if Jesus merged with you as ONE Being. Thus, it is like he returned to Earth. This is just one example of the symbolism in the Bible. Study more and put on the Mind of God to truly decipher the Bible.


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posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
"Anyone believe that Jesus is on earth TODAY,?"


Just did a Google search and apparently the Mount of Olives is intact and not split in two so I would say nope.


This is not the Truth.Yahoshua return isn't him bodily descending onto the Mount of Olives and splitting it in two.That's and extrapolation from Acts 1 to Zechariah 14.It clearly states in Acts 1;

"And when He had spoken these things,while they beheld He was taken up;and a cloud received Him out of their sight.And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as He went up,behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;Which also said, Ye men of Galilee,why stand ye gazing up into heaven?this same Jesus,which is taken up from you into heaven,shall so come in like manner as ye see Him go into heaven".

A cloud received him.The men in white said in "like manner" as he went he will come.The taken up in a cloud is left to speculation as to actually what happened however it says nothing of Yahoshua returning physical and splitting the Mt of Olives in 2 .......that is from Zech 4 and that clearly is not the same thing.
the other scriptures speak of this returning in a "cloud" like in 1 Thessalonians 4 with no mention of Mt. Olive at all.

Is Yahoshua here.? yes...not in physical body.Yahoshua is Gods salvation.The plan has not been thwarted.Satan is not the God of this world(age) or any age or place.Yahoshua is King and the Kingdom of God is not a place it is a realm.It comes WITHOUT observation and is neither here nor there but in your midst.God is working salvation in ALL of mankind.It isn't an event it is a process all caused 100% by God alone.that is the good news...not doom and gloom porn of the false apocalypse.
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posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 03:59 PM
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"Like manner" would have to be a physical return. He ascended in the physical. If He came again in the spiritual it would not be "like manner", but completely different. The opposite in fact. And Zachariah is a prophecy of the 2nd advent.

I really hate repeating myself. (Psssssst, see top of page.)
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posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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"Like manner" would have to be a physical return. He ascended in the physical. If He came again in the spiritual it would not be "like manner", but completely different.The opposite in fact.


So do you believe physical bodies can ascend up to a physical heaven and that after his resurrection his body was just a physical body that transcended doors and walls and changed appearance.





Originally posted by NOTurTypical
And Zachariah is a prophecy of the 2nd advent.

I really hate repeating myself. (Psssssst, see top of page.)


Your point was at the 2nd advent he was going to descend onto Mt. Olives just like Zech 14 says and split it in two however there is no connection to the ascension except Mt Olives.It is just a sensationalized extrapolation to fit a theory that isn't truth.The 2nd advent is one of the most important events ever.Then it would have other scriptures corroborating it yet there are none I know of that say the same thing as Zach 14 in connection to it. extra DIV



posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 06:47 PM
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So do you believe physical bodies can ascend up to a physical heaven and that after his resurrection his body was just a physical body that transcended doors and walls and changed appearance?


Yes, I believe His glorified resurrected body could do this. I don't think He would be bound by physics.



posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 08:44 PM
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2 x too much
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posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by ctophil

veteranhumanbeing
Oh, the thoughtform is here just as an unwilling participant (would rather be a forward observer ARMED with smart bullets just in case an ideaform must die).



ctophil
Yes, Jesus' consciousness can definitely incarnate a physical body these days. In fact, he can also incarnate other physical bodies in other planets in the same universe all at the same time. This is not unique as the other Masters, such as Gautama Buddha, Mother Mary, Master Magda (Mary Magdalene), Beloved John, and so forth can also manifest their minds to the physical plane as well. But remember though that these incarnated bodies are new souls and had to start fresh. So any characteristics from the Masters do not necessarily be inherited.


I realise the need for the fresh souls untainted no karma related. Some call these 'starseeds' first timers but still inprinted with the knowlege of whatever master has overtaken or in a polite way say inbued the mind spirit with the animated being.


ctophil
As for the original Spirit Form as Jesus over 2,000 years ago showing up on Earth these days, this will NEVER happen. You have to understand that we have absolute free will in the Material Universe. This also includes Satan. So Jesus is not going to show up and eradicate Satan, because even the most wicked beings on this Plane of Existence have free will just like you and I. Secondly, his True appearance on Earth would be too much for the planet. Have you noticed that Earth still have nights? Well, in Heaven, there are no night time. Because there is more than enough light to always shine through ALL darkness. If he literally showed up, his light would be like a second sun that is physically on Earth. Would you be able to handle such light? Nope, not your physical body. Can anybody on this planet stand on the sun and not die? Your higher bodies can handle it, however. Let's not get into that at this moment.


I have no disagreements here, when traveling to the past I look to those in contact with like a fuzzy blue blurr, indistinct and too bright to look at with the naked eye.


ctophil
So is the Bible wrong concerning Jesus' return? No. It's just the interpretation of people that are not correct. Realize that the Bible has great symbolism to explain a lot of things. Don't take it so literally. If you do, you will be blinded based on your current understanding. I'm not going to go into detail of every aspect of the "prophecy" given in the scriptures. But do realize that the Bible speaking of Jesus showing up on clouds is a metaphor for your own consciousness. It was talking through the Christ Consciousness or the Mind of God. When your mind is raised to the level of Christ Consciousness, you will experience an Epiphany as if Jesus merged with you as ONE Being. Thus, it is like he returned to Earth. This is just one example of the symbolism in the Bible. Study more and put on the Mind of God to truly decipher the Bible.


I wouldnt know what the bible says personally, I use it as an oracle only. I know it contains great wisdom and symbolism, but I have no patience for it as I have many other doctrines I follow that resonate more truthfully to my understanding of the Theory of Everything, and the bible does not begin to explain physics, the meta physics, Fractals, Chaos, the paranormal . Its Faith based and I am of no particular faith. Christ Consciousness is deeply meshed with Transcendental Meditation, (Buddhists OM factor) seeking the higher self--the bible speaks nothing of this metaphysical phenom as it is WESTERN not EASTERN (although gives it a nod by inducing you to prayerfulness which IS NOT THE SANE/SAME thing). The Worship of an ideal whether it be god or jesus OR MYSELF is just not within my nature to practice. Jesus exists for me as he lives with me, and I do not like him, I know that I must feel a certain amount of compassion for his trials, but Ive had enough, this version of him is EVERYTHING OPPOSITE: what he disliked 2000 years ago, minus the leprosy, Pharasse, Saducce, Pilot and Herod AND A CARPENTER BY TRADE (still poor by most standards). I do not have to put on the mind of God because I am IT as a particle of (sizewise yet to be determined).
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posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by DISRAELI
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I can only repeat what I said before, that if he wanted us against the idea that he would return in this way, then he's not going to do it.


Would you come back 2000 years later to correct that many more years of mistakes, misinterpretions. ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT. The messengers did their duty and so you have it Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Shinto, Judeism. NONE OF THEM ARE CORRECT as they are separate! EACH speaks to a singular GOD yes but even though do not bind each other (ALLOWING) for all to come together as one IN COMMON. Divided unto its peoples that WORSHIP IT. I am crying FOUL. NOTHING SHOULD BE WORSHIPED EVER. Its an indignity to the human to do so. To bow or pray to an invisible thing is just about the most innane thing Ive ever heard of other than the consumption of a 'Hostess' product "twinkie or snowball' (ingredients yet to be divulged).



posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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So do you believe physical bodies can ascend up to a physical heaven and that after his resurrection his body was just a physical body that transcended doors and walls and changed appearance?


Yes, I believe His glorified resurrected body could do this. I don't think He would be bound by physics.


And so can your glorified resurrected self ..do the exact same thing; unbound by physics because you are not physically in body after death, your soul/spirit is boundless and eternal (JUST WAIT for what you are in store for, you will NEVER want to encarnate as a human in the third dimension again and wonder why you bothered in the first place). Oh I know, to get a trophy "I WAS ACTUALLY A HUMAN ON EARTH". If you think I am making this up you would be wrong; as this 'vacation spot' is highly sought after; and you are lucky to not have been one of the vacationers that volunteered to be killed in a sunami, earthquake, flood or starvation refugee situation/victim just to say YOU WERE HERE; you existed as part of this Universes "LIVING LIBRARY" (you will be famous in the realm you originally came from). Most of the good spots were taken by repeated Karma wheel riders, and those spaces left were for victims of earths shennanigans. I dont expect you to understand this but am happy have an avenue to rant out some personal frustrations I have with the general mismanagement of this world.
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posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by vethumanbeing

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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So do you believe physical bodies can ascend up to a physical heaven and that after his resurrection his body was just a physical body that transcended doors and walls and changed appearance?


Yes, I believe His glorified resurrected body could do this. I don't think He would be bound by physics.


And so can your glorified resurrected self ..do the exact same thing; unbound by physics because you are not physically in body after death, your soul/spirit is boundless and eternal (JUST WAIT for what you are in store for, you will NEVER want to encarnate as a human in the third dimension again and wonder why you bothered in the first place). Oh I know, to get a trophy "I WAS ACTUALLY A HUMAN ON EARTH". If you think I am making this up you would be wrong; as this 'vacation spot' is highly sought after; and you are lucky to not have been one of the vacationers that volunteered to be killed in a sunami, earthquake, flood or starvation refugee situation/victim just to say YOU WERE HERE; you existed as part of this Universes "LIVING LIBRARY" (you will be famous in the realm you originally came from). Most of the good spots were taken by repeated Karma wheel riders, and those spaces left were for victims of earths shennanigans. I dont expect you to understand this but am happy have an avenue to rant out some personal frustrations I have



Million Vacations - Max Webster

Friday friday is a good time to shine.
Night sea journeys, journeys to unwind.
Losin' all survival signs.
Rerun movies takin' all your time.

And a million vacations is what you've got in mind.

Throwin' out all kinds of fishing line.
Friday friday is a good time to shine.
Rant and rave, leave this town behind.
And start over with a new dream to climb.

And a million vacations is what you've got in mind.
(I can't wait to get away.)
And a million vacations is what you've got in mind.

Everyone needs a town, a tune, a dream to survive on.
One to dance to, one to scream to survive on.
You need a high, a face, a space, a chase to rely on.

'Cause you can only drive down main street so many times.
'Cause you can only drive down main street so many times.

Everyone needs a town, a tune, a dream to survive on.
One to dance to, one to scream to survive on.
You need a high, a face, a space, a chase to rely on.

'Cause you can only drive down main street so many times.
'Cause you can only drive down main street so many times.

And a million vacations is what you've got in mind.




posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 10:02 PM
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brb - in 2000 or is it 1000 yeah. See ya then!

Cheers,

NAM



posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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So do you believe physical bodies can ascend up to a physical heaven and that after his resurrection his body was just a physical body that transcended doors and walls and changed appearance?

Yes, I believe His glorified resurrected body could do this. I don't think He would be bound by physics.

Beamed straight up? At what speed? He must have been just a tiny dot before they knew it, seriously. Or was it a vision do you think?

I'm pretty sure I know where Jesus went, and it wasn't quite straight up right away I don't believe.

In other words I guess I am saying that it's a good thing his legs were not broken..



posted on Aug, 22 2013 @ 11:48 PM
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Nothing in your reply relates to the subject in hand.
If anything, it rather works against the idea that Jesus is on earth today. For why would you want to argue that Jesus is on earth today if you don't believe in Jesus?



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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So do you believe physical bodies can ascend up to a physical heaven and that after his resurrection his body was just a physical body that transcended doors and walls and changed appearance?


Yes, I believe His glorified resurrected body could do this. I don't think He would be bound by physics.


Yes ....Yahoshuas body was not bound by physics(material/physical) because it was not acting like just a limited physical body.We don't know what its structure was however by the accounts it wasn't obeying the law of physics as we know.The paramount point is Yahoshuas body was resurrected/transformed by something for lack of a more accurate terms like...para-physics or metaphysics and was not "just" matter....physical.

That was the point the men in white were making...HOW he ascended...not where he physically ascended from (the Mt of Olives) nor a physical place of return and the events that follow which you are extrapolating from Zech 14 .
Staying with what is written it never says he ascended from Mt.of Olives.There's 3 accounts

Luke; says he led them to Bethany but nothing of the Mt. of Olives
Mark; doesn't say where at all
Acts; says they returned to Jerusalem from the M.t of Olives

but nothing is set in stone where he ascended from... it is presumption.


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posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 02:14 AM
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It was physical, and inter dimensional. Remember the disciples touched Him. And before He returned briefly to heaven post resurrection He told Mary to not "touch" Him quite yet. It's a Gnostic belief that He only appeared to have a body but was just a spirit. And I never said He ascended from the mount of olives, I just pointed to the prophecy which said upon His return the mount of olives would be split in two.
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posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 11:04 AM
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Yeshau is here with me in my heart everyday, when I'm angry and when I'm tired and when I sleep and I call on him and he answers, he is here with my wife and my kids and everyone who believes.



posted on Aug, 23 2013 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by vethumanbeing

I wouldnt know what the bible says personally, I use it as an oracle only. I know it contains great wisdom and symbolism, but I have no patience for it as I have many other doctrines I follow that resonate more truthfully to my understanding of the Theory of Everything, and the bible does not begin to explain physics, the meta physics, Fractals, Chaos, the paranormal . Its Faith based and I am of no particular faith. Christ Consciousness is deeply meshed with Transcendental Meditation, (Buddhists OM factor) seeking the higher self--the bible speaks nothing of this metaphysical phenom as it is WESTERN not EASTERN (although gives it a nod by inducing you to prayerfulness which IS NOT THE SANE/SAME thing). The Worship of an ideal whether it be god or jesus OR MYSELF is just not within my nature to practice. Jesus exists for me as he lives with me, and I do not like him, I know that I must feel a certain amount of compassion for his trials, but Ive had enough, this version of him is EVERYTHING OPPOSITE: what he disliked 2000 years ago, minus the leprosy, Pharasse, Saducce, Pilot and Herod AND A CARPENTER BY TRADE (still poor by most standards). I do not have to put on the mind of God because I am IT as a particle of (sizewise yet to be determined).
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I do speak about the Bible at times due to the mostly western audience I am speaking to on this forum. Also, please understand that when I am replying directly to you does not mean that all the things I say will be directed toward you. A lot of people will be reading our posts, and I must direct the teachings toward a general public quite often. With that, I know you don't have to put on the Mind of God because you are already using IT. However, most people don't even know what it is, much less put on the Mind of God.

Now, I agree with you that outer western teachings are "out of touch" with the True path of salvation. Especially the Old Testament, the Bible is filled with false doctrines due to many, many layers of corruption within it, as well as the egoism presented by the writers of the time periods. Remember the Old Testament has many time periods in there, some dating way past 6,000 years ago (I would say even millions of years in Genesis). The New Testament is a little better, but Jesus' teachings and others are usually veiled in esoteric parables all due to the lower mind at the time. So you must use Christ discernment to figure out what it is trying to say.

Eastern teachings are much better, in a sense, that it does teach to go within yourself. However, there are falsehoods in all kinds of theology. But you must squeeze out the hidden mysteries in all things using discernment, thereby the Mind of God. Even an ant has teachings that are valuable to mankind if people just know how to decipher between what is of God and what is of man.

If you truly realize that Christ Consciousness is Universal, then you also see that it doesn't matter where you study the mysteries, either it be Western or Eastern. Do you not know that Jesus himself from the age of 12 to 30 studied in the East, known today as India, Tibet, and China? That's right, he studied from the Masters of the East. People don't realize that his teachings are mostly from Gautama and Maitreya Buddha. So I suggest that you combine Western and Eastern and see it as One. In their deeper core teachings, they are the same.

You know, living with somebody who disagrees with you on a daily basis is a mess. People's ego can go on overdrive and just makes you furious doesn't it? But understand this, Vethumanbeing, that ALL things in the Material Universe ARE YOUR TEACHERS! This includes, but not limited to, your spouse, job, friends, family, the roach or ant intruding your house, and even the sharp edge of your desk that you jammed your elbow onto it. All things that happen to you on Earth is your teacher. If it hurts you, you thank it for the teaching and move on. Don't judge nor slap it back, turn the other cheek. Don't choose reaction, but perform de-action. Learn how to become ONE with all things. Don't see it as Good or Evil, see it as the Universal Teacher.



posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 09:14 PM
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Nothing in your reply relates to the subject in hand.
If anything, it rather works against the idea that Jesus is on earth today. For why would you want to argue that Jesus is on earth today if you don't believe in Jesus?


Because I live with its reincarnation; and it is confused and a very angry PTSD anomally. How can this be; because I am its caretaker (of Jesus) resurrected (having no idea why its here or its evolvement of 'Christianity'). It is actually a trained Catholic Latin speaker, became a Marine Sniper (killer of hundreds) and is now an Athiest. YOU TELL ME HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS BEING!! any help would be appreciated. I would ask you to ask yourselves whom I must be to caretake this individual. I have tried the I LOVE YOU thingy and IT DOES NOT WORK because it hates the usership and role it played in the greatest lie ever told to mankind, THAT IT IS NURTURE IN GOOD GRACE. Wherein the fact is it was used to purpetuate Negative emotion to drive an energy force for EVIL (not a god love more a subliminal god hatred of). Question? Who the F is in charge here exactly?
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posted on Aug, 29 2013 @ 09:20 PM
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perhaps you must be yourself?

Likely all that is needed




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