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Citizens Receiving Food Aid from Federal Gov't Now Outnumber Full-Time Private Sector Workers

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posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 07:33 PM
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AFFORD College? Have you checked the price of college and student loans? She is studying Microbiology to make something of herself, not fast-food frying!


Who said anything about fast food? what does that have to do with anything? And yes, I agree college is amazingly expensive. So she should not go hungry if she can afford to be a microbiologist.



Shouldn't the Government help her now for a few months?


A microbiology course that lasts a few months? Sign me up!




Her Microbiology degree/job will help pay for your SNAP benefits the rest of your "disabled" life. OR, maybe she could serve you at McDonalds instead.


I never once said she should stop pursuing microbiology. I just said she can probably afford food. And you reinforced that point by stating how expensive College was. Ramen noodles were made with college kids in mind. And I always thought College kids were always poor and starving anyways. Stage 4 Metastatic Melanoma is my diagnosis, so I doubt I will be on disability long enough for her to "support" me.

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posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 07:34 PM
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Doesn't that just show the real problem? This company that makes billions a year, doesn't want to pay people a living wage, so instead of opening stores they were planing, they opted instead to keep the money for themselves.

There, right there, is the problem.

It's not like they wouldn't make a profit from those stores, we all know they would. It's that they would make LESS of a profit from those stores and to them, that's a loss and therefore less of a profit isn't worth the trouble to pay people a living wage.
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posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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I bet the soon to be legal immigrants would jump all over those jobs. The problem i see a lot is that people think they are too good to work these jobs. You have to start somewhere and these jobs are great for young people to get their foot in the door.
Do you think an employer is more apt to hire someone with no holes in their employment history, or large gaps between jobs collecting welfare? If you don't want to help yourself why should anyone want to help you?

You must also not realize that corporate laws involving shareholders requires these corporations to focus on the bottom line.
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posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 07:43 PM
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Not rob from the rich to the poor can go out and buy more corporate products that creates trillions dollars in debt that has become a detriment to the wealth and prosperity of this country.
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That reminds me of one of my pet peeves when it comes to government.

As the Federal workforce expands, to include the military, the tax base actually decreases. All federal employees are taxed. Plenty of stories out there about federal employees that are not paying their taxes however.

But once the federal government reaches 51% (if that) of the workforce, it becomes an issue of diminishing returns. Basically, those federal employees are not paying enough into the system to even guarantee them a paycheck.

Then you throw in all the loopholes in the tax system and we have a disaster heading for us. Then just for grins and giggles, let’s start taking care of all the moochers who did nothing to begin with other than being born lazy.

Regardless of which side you are on in this argument…we are ALL heading for some hard-times. Y’all best start preparing, because it’s gonna be a bumpy road.

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posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by Privateinquotations
Flipping channels just saw on the news that Wal-Mart cancelled opening 3 stores because of chicago legislation for a living wage. So because people were trying to force a company to conform to the legislation a several hundred people are out of the opportunity for a job. and the state lost out on a ton of revenue.
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~Opportunity for what????? Work for a Multi Billion dollar company that at the end of the day still cant provide it;s employees with a decent living wage....?
But hey, that's ok, because the state is loosing Tax dollars.

Pay a wage that people can live on or get outta town, and that's me being polite.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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Who created OTC Derivatives and repelled Glas Steagall?


Clinton en.wikipedia.org...





It was politicians that hail from Big Banks and Corporations that passed it and it was the Banking and Corporate Industry that wrote it.


Hmm don't watch these it will get in the way of the 'corporate vilification' dogma.



And:



That all created the current situation of 100 million Ameircans on food aid.

So no it was just politicians providing themselves job security so they can offer 'more solutions' to the mess THEY create.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by Soloprotocol

Originally posted by Privateinquotations
Flipping channels just saw on the news that Wal-Mart cancelled opening 3 stores because of chicago legislation for a living wage. So because people were trying to force a company to conform to the legislation a several hundred people are out of the opportunity for a job. and the state lost out on a ton of revenue.
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~Opportunity for what????? Work for a Multi Billion dollar company that at the end of the day still cant provide it;s employees with a decent living wage....?
But hey, that's ok, because the state is loosing Tax dollars.

Pay a wage that people can live on or get outta town, and that's me being polite.


Publicly Traded Companies are required by law to focus on the bottom line. This would have been a loss, therefore no deal. If you want corporations to change then the corporate law needs to change. Who wrote the corporate law. The Government. Not all businesses are publicly traded. Most small businesses are not publically traded therefore don't have the same rules to focus on the bottom line so they have a little more flexibility.
Know your enemy.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Cancerwarrior
reply to post by tinker9917
 





AFFORD College? Have you checked the price of college and student loans? She is studying Microbiology to make something of herself, not fast-food frying!


Who said anything about fast food? what does that have to do with anything? And yes, I agree college is amazingly expensive. So she should not go hungry if she can afford to be a microbiologist.



Shouldn't the Government help her now for a few months?


A microbiology course that lasts a few months? Sign me up!




Her Microbiology degree/job will help pay for your SNAP benefits the rest of your "disabled" life. OR, maybe she could serve you at McDonalds instead.


I never once said she should stop pursuing microbiology. I just said she can probably afford food. And you reinforced that point by stating how expensive College was. Ramen noodles were made with college kids in mind. And I always thought College kids were always poor and starving anyways. Stage 4 Metastatic Melanoma is my diagnosis, so I doubt I will be on disability long enough for her to "support" me.

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It's called student LOANS, not free money. The loans pay for CLASSES not food or rent. It doesn't matter what your major is, you only get so much money. Her single mom has no college degree and works hard, full-time, with no money left over after just the basics.. Dad disappeared, no fault to the child, but also no help.

Ramen noodles for how long? Is that a filling meal? Is it healthy? Will she be "really hungry" after a couple days?
Would you want to eat ramen noodles and water every day for four years? eight years?

She worked full time til 1 am, while going to school full-time during the day till she had to transfer colleges to a different town.

This child needs help, to make it. She needs food. Only until she finds extra work. And, because she is going to college, COMPLETELY on loans, she cannot get help.

That was my whole point. She qualifies income-wise, but because she is going to school (on loans only) she cannot qualify. But if she was not going to school and only working part-time and sitting at home she would qualify.

COMPLETE ERROR IN THE LAW i say.

I'm sorry for the diagnosis of stage 4, by the way. Yes, you do deserve benefits I say.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by neo96






You can cite Clinton all you want as if he is different than the other puppets in the government doing the banks bidding. It does not matter if it is Bush, Clinton, Romney etc because they all serve the Banks.

www.usnews.com...


In 1999, Democrats led by President Bill Clinton and Republicans led by Sen. Phil Gramm joined forces to repeal Glass-Steagall at the behest of the big banks. What happened over the next eight years was an almost exact replay of the Roaring Twenties. Once again, banks originated fraudulent loans and once again they sold them to their customers in the form of securities. The bubble peaked in 2007 and collapsed in 2008. The hard-earned knowledge of 1933 had been lost in the arrogance of 1999.




The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLB), also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, (Pub.L. 106–102, 113 Stat. 1338, enacted November 12, 1999) is an act of the 106th United States Congress (1999–2001). It repealed part of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933, removing barriers in the market among banking companies, securities companies and insurance companies that prohibited any one institution from acting as any combination of an investment bank, a commercial bank, and an insurance company.


larouchepac.com...

Wall Street Spent $350 Million To Buy Congressional Repeal of Glass-Steagall



Wall Street launched the final drive to repeal Glass-Steagall in the late 1990s, after nearly a dozen failed efforts in the previous 25 years, the financial services sector (known as FIRE—finance, insurance, and real estate) kicked in $350 million to buy enough votes to kill the 1933 FDR legislation that protected the commercial banking sector for 66 years. According to the documentation assembled by PBS, Wall Street spent $200 million on lobbying efforts and an additional $150 million in targeted campaign contributions during the 1997-1998 Congressional election cycle. Needless to say, the lion's share of the money was directed at members of the relevant House and Senate committees with oversight over the financial sector.

Breaking that figure down on a per capita basis, with 435 Members of the House of Representatives and 100 Members of the Senate, Wall Street shelled out an average $654,205.61 on each and every Member. Given the massive taxpayer-backed looting operations that took place over the next seven years, before the bubble finally blew on the biggest gambling binge in history, from Wall Street's standpoint, it was money well spent.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 08:46 PM
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So why hasn't Glass Steagal been reinstated?
Because the Bankers OWN Obama and if they tell him to jump, he asks how high?

If anyone tries to put a damper on their thievery, since they own the US Government, they tell them how it is going to be!!!!


Like the attempt that was to regulate OTC Derivatives by Brooksley Born in 1994, WELL before the Financial Crisis! THEY KNEW the dangers involved in the OTC Derivatives and wanted to keep the CON GAME GOING.

The Bankers told her and Summers WHO is Boss!

www.pbs.org...

video.pbs.org...

www.pbs.org...



MICHAEL GREENBERGER: I walk into Brooksley's office one day, the blood has drained from her face. She's hanging up the telephone. She says to me, "That was Larry Summers."

RON SUSKIND: Larry basically reads her the riot act. He more or less tells her, my understanding, is that, "You don't get it."

MICHAEL GREENBERGER: He says, "You're going to cause the worst financial crisis since the end of World War II," that he has, my memory is, 13 bankers in his office who informed him of this. Stop right away. No more.

NARRATOR: In Washington, they say, the financial sector has five lobbyists for every congressman.

TIMOTHY O'BRIEN: Brooksley Born is stepping into the maw of the most well oiled and highly financed lobby in the history of Washington, D.C. It's the financial lobby.


Bankers frankly OWN the PLACE

Topwww.salon.com...
Senate Democrat: bankers “own” the U.S. Congress



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 09:03 PM
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It's called student LOANS, not free money. The loans pay for CLASSES not food or rent. It doesn't matter what your major is, you only get so much money. Her single mom has no college degree and works hard, full-time, with no money left over after just the basics.. Dad disappeared, no fault to the child, but also no help.


I live in a college town. There are alot of students here. Almost all of them take out as much in student loans as they can and use it for vehicles, rent, partying, spring break, whatever. I know several people that have tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands in student debt and have not even finished a major. Yes, they are loans, but most students treat them as if they were free money for whatever they want to spend it on.



Ramen noodles for how long? Is that a filling meal? Is it healthy? Will she be "really hungry" after a couple days? Would you want to eat ramen noodles and water every day for four years? eight years?


I have eaten so many packets of noodles over the years I should own some stock in Ramen. I still have to eat them alot nowadays because food has gone up so much in the past year since I stopped working. And no, they probably aren't the healthiest food out there. But its something besides having a hole in your stomach.



That was my whole point. She qualifies income-wise, but because she is going to school (on loans only) she cannot qualify. But if she was not going to school and only working part-time and sitting at home she would qualify. COMPLETE ERROR IN THE LAW i say.


I agree. My little sister is actually in technical school and struggling. She was getting some meager Snap assistance but now they passed a law saying you have to have kids/dependents to get it here. So I do see where you're coming from. Thing is, these places look at the student loans like income because they know that's how the majority of students are going to treat it anyway.



I'm sorry for the diagnosis of stage 4, by the way. Yes, you do deserve benefits I say.


Thank you. I've always worked and supported my family. I was in the military and I was a land surveyor. The past year I have been put in a position where my body cannot work because of all the crap the doctors have done to me. I've always been a proud person and now I am in a position where I have to rely on others to survive. That is disheartening enough by itself. Then I always see a million comments in threads like these about the "lazy, handout, no good guvment check bums" and feel even worse. It's like the folks that really are needing the help are totally forgotten about and lumped in the category with moochers.

Your friend sounds like shes determined and works hard. Maybe she won't be one of the college kids who blow half their tuition check on dumb stuff that I see the kids around here buy. It's a shame the system is how it is.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by HauntWok
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So you don't get VA Benefits?

benefits.va.gov...

www.vethousingfund.org...

There you go. That's despite living off the taxpayer dime, having us pay for everything including clothing, food, weaponry, travel, medical care while in the military. Bunch of socialists with guns.


Honestly, I did 7 years of active duty, came out of it with a few health problems, VA medical care is all I receive, with a co-pay, because god forbid, my family of two makes 30K a year. If you think veteran benefits are all that great, go sign your name on the line, I am betting you don't have the testicular fortitude to do it.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by HauntWok
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Why? Why did he EARN them? He volunteered. He got paid for that time. Why do I as a taxpayer have to CONTINUE to pay for a job he already did? Do I get paid for a job I have already gotten paid for after the job is done? No, its a huge waste of taxpayer dollars.



In your job, does your employer tell you to pack your stuff and leave in 12 hours to go overseas for an unknown period of time. Do you have the opportunity to be ordered to a war zone at any time. Have you ever been transferred to a location where you have no opportunity to see your wife or family for 12 months. Veterans earn every thing they are given, it is only when ungrateful idiots bring these things up, do we remember all of the things we gave up to serve this country. Like I said in a previous post, sign your name on the line, and come back and talk to us in a year.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by Metallicus
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It is amazing how much worse we are under Obama in just 5 years.

I don't think he could have done more damage to the country and our prosperity if he was doing it on purpose.

Wait..


Oh wait, you mean it is bad that we are not shedding 750,000 jobs a month after Bush's chicken came home to roost?

It is amazing how illogical people can be, you should respect logic more, not practice the antithesis...



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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Who created OTC Derivatives and repelled Glas Steagall?


Three Republicans penned it!

Regulation strangles business



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 09:53 PM
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It's a shame the system is how it is.

I know. Thanks for returning the truce.

Cant do much but i would do what I can. U2U me if u need anything.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 10:06 PM
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I hate to be a little volatile, but libertarians truly astonish me. You know what governments have done? They've sustained societies, created temples, landmarks, city planning, etc. Without the government it turns into chaos. Have you been suckling at the corporate teat so long you have forgotten your nature?

You are a creature of habit, you will fall into routines. The government is there to help us ensure we aren't destroying ourselves through our habitual nature. Thee internet and television are great examples of the dangers of human nature, they've turned everyone into unthinking drones who just parrot whatever the edgy cool guy is saying.

The market doesn't exist to enable mankind, the market exists to serve the lust for money that some folks have. Now surely by now we all know that money well and truly does buy happiness; especially when you spend that money on experiences instead of junk technology/food/clothes/etc. We have all been brainwashed by television, that is undeniable, we consume without purpose, we consume things that have no real value to us, just to pass the time. This is what happens when you create a society based on the idea that the market can serve the needs of the people. You get people who serve only themselves and forget what it means to be in a society.

The bottom of the government hierarchy are where the good people reside, they're the ones who show up to work as public figures to try to help, we all know those on the top and in the media are chronic liars yet we keep voting for them because we know nothing else. Real change can only come from the bottom, real change can only come from those who know the harshness that life has to offer. Real change comes from those with real perspective.

There are many who scam the system, but we have to recognize that it is not just one sector of society like the unemployed, those at the top do similar things for different reasons. We have to accept that the system cannot curb behavior on its own. The market must also curb behavior, corporations need to have responsibilities beyond profiteering, they need to encourage healthy morals, good behavior, and they need to be accountable for their actions otherwise the prophecy fulfills itself time and time again; people will commit crimes/scam unless everyone is truly in it for each other. You can not foster brotherhood like that in a libertarian society. A libertarian society is just anarchy with a hip new name. What does government do in the libertarian fantasy?

I understand why a lot of Americans are upset with the upcoming Obamacare; a lot of it does look shoddy. But there is no doubt americans need a better healthcare system than they have, as it is doctors are just glorified mechanics, and their patients have just become instruments to create wealth. Medicine is a job for the truly altruistic, not for a man who wants fame and fortune, but for people who value life in general, not just their own ego.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by SpaDe_
When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
~Benjamin Franklin

Well logic alone says that this is completely unsustainable, but nothing will be done about it. Brings new meaning to the phrase "keep working, millions on welfare depend on you".

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Like, perhaps, BIG BUSINESS CORPORATE PEOPLE DO?



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by HauntWok
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That is a misnomer, as many of those people who are receiving food stamps are actually employed full time. They just are at menial minimum wage jobs and their paycheck doesn't even come close to the cost of living in the US. And employers are all too happy to just replace anyone that asks for a raise with one of the stacks of applicants they receive everyday.

Course bretbart (the king of misleading information) isn't going to say that.



Hey that's funny, because everyone I know that gets food credits also has one or even two jobs within the family yet seems to always be behind.

I never heard that anyone repealed NAFTA yet, that would be a good place to start if we really cared about solving our economic issues. We have a ton of legislation to repeal though.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 11:10 PM
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Three Republicans penned it! Regulation strangles business


Oh so then that 'excuse' works the other way as the Democrat penned the Patriot Act

So the last decade of blame Bush clearly was a lie.

So what way do people want to have it?



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