Originally posted by Shema
Jesus exists, no question. So does God but it is Jesus the world belongs to even though God originally created it He has given it to Jesus. God is
not involved in the ways of the world, the mantel belongs to Jesus. If you were able to find a way of approaching God directly Jesus would turn on you
and make you suffer for your impertinence. If you feel a strong drive to be a believer then your only recourse is to worship Jesus who rules over us
all with the sanction of God. Alternatively you can choose to live according to you own sight which is how most individuals live these days. Or become
If Jesus existed
(past tense) he would have been Jewish. They called him 'Rabbi.' He would have lived and died a Jew. Jesus could
never have been a Christian. Simply by the luck of geographical location of his birth, he was Jewish.
Similarly, had you been born in India you probably would be a Hindu. In Tibet, a Buddhist. In Iran, a Muslim.
The statement you make above does little but show rote preaching. There's nothing of substance in there.
Oh, I'm a bad person because I don't embrace the first-through-fifth century adaptations of bad translations of Bronze age stories. I love the
fables of Aesop the slave. Good morals and stuff. Ravens talking to Foxes and stuff. Never happened, but good morals.
The assertion: "Jesus exists, no question." is simply not true. You cannot prove it. There are no contemporary writings about him.
His birth story is borrowed. His death wasn't spectacularly different from any other death under the rule of Rome.
The resurrection, taken literally, would have been one of the most spectacular, and novel occurrences on the planet at the time, and the only people
who felt compelled to tell us about it were monks a hundred or more years later? Nobody at the time felt the urge to write it down?
That he is any sort of deity is almost laughable. That his father was a deity is no different to the story of Perseus.
Is your god the same god as Zeus?
You explain why Zeus doesn't exist, and I'll use the same logic to explain why yours doesn't.
This has been a fascinating thread, but I feel your post was not one of the fascinating bits.
Spouting hell-fire and damnation is best suited to carnival tents.
If Jesus rules over us with the sanction of god, then I'm a bit surprised that we're all still being really unpleasant to one another. Not doing
much to set us straight, is he?
Or is that all under the catch-all of "Free Will"? That's a good one, that one.
I bet...I just bet....that there's bits of the Bible you ignore, but other parts are "the word of the lord" or some such rot.