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"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?" Peter answered, "You are the Messiah." (Mark 8:29 NIV)
Note that Peter's response to the question is different -- in one case, he is the Messiah, in another he is "a righteous angel". This is
exactly in keeping with Gnosticism, which had no interest in Messiahs, but believed that Jesus was the neoplatonic equivalent of an angel, an
If you ask me, and I know, no one is asking me, this scripture proves that the Gospel of Mark was written AFTER the Gospel of Thomas.
What is the meaning of the word "messiah", translated as "christ"? According to you, in our previous conversations, the words "messiah" and "christ"
mean nothing more than "anointed" with oil.
In the Old Testament, God orders Samuel to anoint Saul with oil, as it is God's will that Saul should be Israel's first king. So Saul was Israel's
first "messiah" or "christ". That didn't turn out so well, so God told Samuel to pick up his horn of oil and go anoint David, as it was God's will
that David would be Israel's second king. King David was Israel's second "messiah" or "christ".
500 years later, Israel would embrace another "messiah" or "christ" in Cyrus the Great, who freed the Israelites from Babylonian rule. Cyrus the
Great was neither a "Jewish" descendant of King David, nor anointed by a prophet. But, he fit the prophecies, and the book of Isaiah was interpolated
to include his name as the Messiah. Some info
There is nothing is Jewish history to suggest that the Jews thought that messiahs were divine, other than the fact that they were ordinary men,
selected by God to do his will, and therefore endowed with power, only through the power of God.
So, if you, Adjensen, believe that Jesus Christ was fully human and fully god, an emanation of the one true GOD, as an arm of the "Trinity" reaching
out from heaven, to perform a magical act of sacrifice, that would free not only the Jews, but all of humanity, how do you think you would describe
his presence as being like? What is a messiah like?
Would you say that Jesus was like an oiled man, yet ordinary in every other way? Would you categorize him in the same way as you would a frail man
such as Saul or David, or would you say that the "Son of Man", the very emanation of God on earth was like a "righteous angel".
Do you really think that Peter saw Jesus as a warrior, like Cyrus the Great or King Saul or even like King David, who would lead them into battle,
taking foreskins and conquering and overthrowing the Romans? What is a "messiah" like?
The Gospel of Thomas doesn't refer to Jesus as "Jesus Christ" or "christ" or "messiah" because, primitively, he wasn't called "messiah" or "christ" by
his followers. That was a titled bestowed on Jesus after his death. And, therefore, in my opinion, the "righteous angel" comment, with which you
have contention, actually proves your theory wrong. The word "messiah" contains no description of the divinity of the "Son of Man", "Son of God",
"Holy Emanation of God", that the presence of such a man as Jesus must have commanded. It's an obvious interpolation, in my opinion.
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