Originally posted by Latrodectus
I'm unfamiliar with the alegheny event. Ill have to do some research on that one. as far as shared dreams and psychological issues are concerned, it
compelling as far as a story goes but I cant take it too seriously as far as evidence is concerned (personally) because that type of data is really
sort of intangible and I need some "material" to chew on. I am reminded of a lecture by Terrence McKenna where he was talking about sessions with
orally active '___' (ayahuasca) where participants would regularly share hallucinations and talk about the colors and textures of a certain moment in
their visions. Stuff like that just shows me that theres so little we know about our psychology and the possibilities we possess that things like
shared visions don't seem to be that uncommon in certain circumstances and shouldn't be trusted as legit data, even if you absolutely 100 percent
believe the person telling you the story. Its interesting, but Ill need a little more. I remember Bud Hopkins got himself into a little hot water when
people started to show that people could "remember" abductions through suggestion under hypnosis even though no such things had ever occurred.
You know, I was fascinated with Hopkins as an amateur so converted that he was unconsciously preaching to the choir. He was also aggressive in
documenting a particular category of abductions with witnesses in places like New York City, within a narrow set of parameters. I think that was a
good idea initially, but in his zeal didn't filter the methodology in performing regressions, as you alluded.
On the other hand a more interesting story from this perspective was the work of a leading psychiatrist, Dr. Benjamin Simon of Boston, who regressed
Betty and Barney Hill (early 60s). Simon was a fundamentalist who thought of UFOs and alien encounters as hogwash or pure fantasy. The Hills were
initially referred to Simon by another doctor when they expressed concerns about his lack of experience in regressive hypnosis. I've seen transcripts
of the tapes and was impressed with Dr. Simon's support during the sessions, without leading the subjects. Of course what I saw was a very small part
of the many hours recorded. He regressed both, but his main interest was helping Barney due to his stressed condition and poor health - ulcers, high
blood pressure and alcohol consumption. He passed away several years later at a young age.
One aspect of the alleged abduction of the Hills, was that it was the first ever investigated and published. The couple remembered seeing a UFO on
their trip home through the new england countryside and began having lucid dreams within a few days thereafter. The dreams were very frightening and
apparently corroborating when they were discussed. How much influence Barney and Betty's discussions had on their psyches is perhaps a matter of
premise, depending on whether there was an actual experience associated.
The Hill case is a good study because it was singularly unique for the time and marked the beginning of the advanced mythos and chaos we see today
with allot of acting out, and a pathology of its own in some respects. John Edward Mack M.D. (October 4, 1929 – September 27, 2004) did hundreds of
regressions and wrote a book. He originally attempted to define a new psychological disorder in his research, but found the subjects so indelibly
impressed with what they expressed as terrifyingly visceral experiences, he concluded there was something more happening than delusion, which could
not be classified within the standards of psychiatry. His research and methods were so impeccable that his colleagues were unable to have him excised
from the Harvard teaching staff. If I understood him, he viewed the alleged abductee experiences as psycho-spiritual visions rather than physical
If you are interested in a personal fundamental study, these are some of the worthy candidates. There are too many amateurs who have made a name for
themselves by writing books and speaking at UFO conventions, with virtually no education or practical experience in the right fields. The work of Mack
and Vallée (with assistance from Hynek) are correlated as non-physical phenomenon, which has unfortunately turned toward the paranormal and religious
The example in your post regarding the use of (D.M.T) is based on a common experience in which the group knowingly participates in the experiment.
Being such inherently, how would you approach individuals whose memories tell them that they've been forced against their will to participate in
humiliating scientific procedures involving their reproductive organs?
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