"Checkpoint No Consent, Warrantless Vehicle Search, Right to Remain Silent, US Border Patrol " - V

Unfortunately another video depicting the degradation of rights and freedoms, which escalates into something of an absurdity..



Here we have another instance of an American citizen passing through a border and police patrol who as a result of acting in accordance within his individual rights and freedoms becomes subject to investigation and eventual excessively forceful arrest.

Now I am all for the preservation of every right and freedom, but is it just me or is there an exceeding large amount of people actively seeking out and confronting officers in situations like this? Who goes out with equipment like that and documents this kind of stop? You are almost asking for trouble.

In my opinion your not protecting rights and freedoms by actively going out and challenging people on it. This is what it seems to be coming too..

wow i bet there's a nice civil suit victory coming this guy's way

standing up for your rights is bad? lol @ this poster

reply to post by qwerty12345

I will take that bet for any amount of money you care to name. I'll borrow it if I don't have enough to cover the bet from my wallet.

The Supreme Court has already ruled on the legality of the stops and waving into the secondary area for questioning without a warrant. The only thing even remotely conceivable is recovery for the damaged window, but I give that a 1% chance.

With the possibility of car bombs and smuggling, and all the electronic equipment in the car, the agents should be reprimanded if they didn't get a look, regardless of what it took.

The filmer wanted a scene, provoked it, and deserves what he got, unless there is other information I'm not aware of.

reply to post by MDDoxs


This is just a couple of miles from where I live. I've passed through that check point more times than I can count. I always just roll my window down and say hello, and they wave me through. A lot of drug runners and human smugglers use that route. It's rural and away from the bustling city and traffic.

You can't just ignore the officer at a border check point. This guy was just looking for a fight, in my opinion. All he had to do was roll his window down, and address the officer. I just don't see a violation of rights here. Aren't border check points legal? I bet this guy wouldn't try this stunt at the Tijuana check point!

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by MDDoxs

 

This is just a couple of miles from where I live. I've passed through that check point more times than I can count. I always just roll my window down and say hello, and they wave me through. A lot of drug runners and human smugglers use that route. It's rural and away from the bustling city and traffic.

You can't just ignore the officer at a border check point. This guy was just looking for a fight, in my opinion. All he had to do was roll his window down, and address the officer. I just don't see a violation of rights here. Aren't border check points legal? I bet this guy wouldn't try this stunt at the Tijuana check point!

What right did they have to search this guys car? What law has he broken? Just because there are drug runners in the area doesn't give the guards the right to just search anyone.

reply to post by charles1952

With the possibility of car bombs and smuggling, and all the electronic equipment in the car, the agents should be reprimanded if they didn't get a look, regardless of what it took.

"Those that would sacrifice Freedom for Security deserve neither." Ben Franklin

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by MDDoxs

 

This is just a couple of miles from where I live. I've passed through that check point more times than I can count. I always just roll my window down and say hello, and they wave me through. A lot of drug runners and human smugglers use that route. It's rural and away from the bustling city and traffic.

You can't just ignore the officer at a border check point. This guy was just looking for a fight, in my opinion. All he had to do was roll his window down, and address the officer. I just don't see a violation of rights here. Aren't border check points legal? I bet this guy wouldn't try this stunt at the Tijuana check point!

What right did they have to search this guys car? What law has he broken? Just because there are drug runners in the area doesn't give the guards the right to just search anyone.

The guy in video never claimed that they wanted to search his car. He refused to roll his window down or to talk to the officer at a border patrol check point. He refused to cooperate with them in the slightest. That gave them probable cause to break his window, in my opinion.

Nevermind


Thanks for the info, wrabbit! always in the know, you are!

This is a tough one all around. On one hand, I do have to wonder about people who provoke the Police this way. It's like someone playing Russian Roulette while intellectually knowing the stakes but never really making it real to consider what finding that live round means. This is hunting bad cops or agents ...and low and behold, he'll find one occasionally too. They really do nasty things and earn the bad press that % generate.

I should also add that I've been through that checkpoint a few times in the truck, but not much as San Diego was a bit south of the produce lanes I ran. They were unusually rude and jerky though, and I had made a mental note of that, each time I went through. California tends to be overkill on just about everything though and people ought to learn what the Agricultural checkpoints are with what powers they have for detention and search if they figure immigration is bad. California has one on every major crossing into the state.

The bad part is...the courts have said this is kosher for all and all can be searched at these infernal "borders" no matter how far from the REAL border it happens to be. That is starting to be a point of contention to challenge as some are moving far enough inland to be outright laughable on the face of it ....and I saw Border Patrol sitting in the median across I-40 in Texas (The panhandle...Wayyyyy north) like traffic cops to pull people over under federal immigration authority for years before I got off the road. They think quite a lot of themselves.

@ captaintyinknots

This wasn't the U.S. Border. This was Interstate 8, just East of San Diego and well north of the Mexican border. They have these set up all along the Southern states to randomly check Highway and Interstate traffic ..sometimes hundreds of miles from the border itself.

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I thought I'd add a couple things I found on this.... It's an interesting point on these checkpoints, really.

First, they actually get some perfectly legitimate "business" occasionally with some solid arrests for border patrol.


Source: 13 Illegals Arrested in California Wearing US Marine Uniforms

The border area is a wild place and Border Patrol are kinda like Secret Service agents in one way. I think they have to prove they have absolutely no sense of humor left anywhere within their personality to be qualified as an agent.

It's not like these are some conspiracy though. They've been around a long long time in some cases and this one is definitely not new by any stretch. Wiki even lists the location for each one of these 'Semi-Permanent' checkpoints with coordinates on most.

Interior US Border Patrol checkpoint locations

I don't usually like Wiki to source anything more important than the names of the months, but having been through most of those checkpoints in trucking, I can say what is there is accurate to my personal experience. At least 90% of it.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


It's not that far away from the border. It's just below Interstate 8, on a little 2 lane rural road that's the only road out of Tecate. There is another border check point that's on the freeway further towards El Centro.

same crap here
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Where are the guys who constantly scream about the need for more border security? Where are the guys who are so xenophobic that they think that the military should be standing shoulder to shoulder in a human fence along the southern boarder?

Isn't this what they want? Isn't this exactly what they have been screaming till they are blue in the face about?

reply to post by HauntWok


Well, that's one way of looking at it to ask, I suppose. A rather loaded way...but okay, fair enough.

I'd actually say the fact these exist aren't the worst part. It's the fact these checkpoints so far north of the border actually DO get illegals and smugglers on a regular basis which is the worst part.

The fact ANYONE gets that far north of the physical border to begin with shows a near embarrassing level of fail on security of the border itself. Wouldn't you say?

They should be up there with nothing better to do than harass innocent people...but damned if they aren't pretty busy. Disturbingly so.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


It wasn't really that far from the boarder. And in all reality higher boarder security would entail several layers of security near the boarder and not just right on the boarder.

It's what those xenophobic people want, so it's pretty unfair for any of them to really complain when things like this happen.

reply to post by HauntWok


Actually, Yes, this IS pretty far from the border when you consider the fact that it's already well mixed with interior American East/West interstate highway traffic and actually approaching a major American city from the East/Northeast, not even the South as the original point of origin. As I mentioned, I've been through this checkpoint personally, a few times. The video says it's Pine Valley. That's the one alright.

I'm sorry if "xenophobic" is a name you consider appropriate to people who favor security on international borders ...but you'll have to include over 200 nations in that description. There isn't an Open Borders nation on Earth. Not a single one. Anywhere.

The European Union is probably the closest to it ...and it's about as open as a bank vault depending on WHICH other nation you're coming from...so really, the hate on simply HAVING border security is rather foolish.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

I'm sorry if "xenophobic" is a name you consider appropriate to people who favor security on international borders

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the United States have two countries bordering it? Oh that's right, Canada is to our North isn't it?

Never see anyone complain about the security at the northern boarder (even though we keep letting Shatner into our country for some weird reason) No minutemen militia volunteering to plug any Canucks who move south from their socialistic universal healthcare dystopian nightmare to the north.

Nope, xenophobia is an apt and correct term. Why? Because the only boarder that these people want protecting is the southern one, you know, the one that has all those "brown" people coming across it.

And this video, is the kind of thing you get with that sort of "security" so, I wouldn't be complaining if you are a supporter of tighter security at our southern boarder.

reply to post by HauntWok


Well, it seems you're a little behind the level of staying informed of the activities on the United States southern border. You make comparisons between Mexico and Canada? Well.. It's amusing, but pathetic to be quite blunt about it. Why? Well.... golly...



That isn't happening in Canada. Canada doesn't have 10's of thousands dead and being killed daily from an ongoing civil war. Mexico most certainly does with no signs of it stopping anytime soon. Canada doesn't see it's Police Chiefs and Mayors decapitated and left on roadsides for a macabre display and message to the public about resisting the power of the Cartels.

You're somewhat one track on your thinking here. Border Security = Xenophobia. Well... You're flat wrong and the map above is only one of a few reasons how Canada and Mexico have almost nothing whatsoever in common.

I'd live on the Canadian border without so much as a second thought with little more than my usual firearms for hunting and general self defense like I have here in Missouri. You could't GIVE me a mansion on the Mexican border free, with a staff to run the place. If I HAD to stay on one, I'd have a class III permit for special weapons before you could say Boo and still feel under-powered. The graphic above says it all for why.

The specific cases of violence on the border, on a regular basis is also why...and another aspect NOT shared on our Northern Border. It's comparing apples and watermelons.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I live in San Diego and worked for a restaurant that hired workers who lived south of the border, and crossed it daily to get to work. One of the women I worked with's brother in law was a biggy for the Department of Transportation in Tijuana. He was being investigated for giving illegal truckers licenses to cross the border. He was found hanging from a bridge with his hands cut off!

I tell this story as an example of why border control needs to extend past the actual border to check points to cover road ways well within the state. Corruption exists at every border crossing and we need additional checks and balances to protect US interests and citizen's safety. Cartels don't stay on their side of border.