If this was just a "believe what you want" concept then I wouldn't care about it.

However this is a scam selling a program, that takes it out of the wishy washy "You believe what you want" type of environment into "This is a product that claims to produce an outcome".

As a result BECAUSE it markets itself as a program, it is OPEN to critique.

I know the first one is free, but if you read the page they are expensive after that.

This thread would not have been here if it had been made by anyone else, we are promoting a product that is blatently a scam. Particularly in the Science forum.

When someone tries to get money out of the gullible then they open themselves to critisism and attack, especially if the grounds are as fraudulent as this is.

If you believe this, and are too afraid to challange the promoters then I have a magic toothbrush, every time I brush my teeth it connects to the ether and grants me my wishes. I will give you the first toothbrush free, but this is just a simple version, a multi colored version with twice the transmitting power is available for only $300.


This is no joke, I was wishing that someone would empty the dishwasher this morning when I was using my magic toothbrush, and sure enough when I went back into the kitchen it was empty!!!

It works!!!

THIS is the level of scam that you are defending.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Of course I am using my brains. I've been skeptical of this from the beginning and have been researching for myself what these kinds of material are all about and if they are real or not. Every time I even mention the subject here on ATS, I get bashed by people who don't even have the slightest idea of what I'm talking about and don't even bother to find out for themselves. Consider this the last time I ever mention magick, manifesting, radionics or anything similar ever again on ATS. It's not worth it, and I don't care anymore.

Wise decision. It's pointless trying to explain these kind of things to less evolved commoners. I'm with you.

Originally posted by Juanita
Bandit, I have to give you props for responding to the diverse responses as well-mannered as you did. Skepticism is one thing, but when it becomes rude and jugemental in turns into something else.

I know and it's clearly shown here.

I have heard of different ideas related to this nature, but I never knew there was a software program that was built to manifest thought into reality.

It's made to aid in manifestation in the same way a truck is an aid to carry heavy loads. The person still has to do the work.

There is a power w/in our own minds to do such, but the doubt and uncertainty is a form of magik in and of its own. For something to manifest through thought, there can't even be a shadow of a doubt.

True...

To Questor, I hope you return to read this post. I, myself, have seen plenty of skeptics in areas where proof was actually given but wasn't accepted because their minds (their programmed minds) wouldn't allow them to. Don't give up in the face of such hopelessness. "All will come in due process"..... There are those out there that need to hear from people like you so that we can have hope amid the chaos of adversity. Speak your beliefs and try not to let the 'skeptics' shut you down.

All in all, I think that if such a program could really do this, no one would ever find true happiness. They would all be using this to get what they want at no cost to others and would cause even more of a downfall to the human race - furthering our split w/ our true nature of existence.

Not really, I don't see much of a difference in between the program and all of the tools that have been available trough out the history of man to aid in their religious ceremonies. Tools are useless if there is nobody working. The tools won't get up and start to work by themselves. The people are the main factor. And furthermore, the stuff work better and faster when the intention is beneficial to others and not only the person doing the stuff.

We all deserve the best, as was the intention of our Creator, but it is our actions from the past and in present that governs what it is that we recieve.

The 'safeguard' is that you had better make sure you have only the best thoughts and intentions on your desire/wish or you will suffer the consequences of using a power you are not ready for, yet. (As in the case of the couple involved in the car wreck)

Exactly... They didn't define how and under what conditions they wanted to receive the money just as much as I didn't define how and under what conditions I wanted it in my bank account.

Anyways Bandit, be careful what you wish for.....Be REAL careful w/ forced magik.

I know...

There is nothing wrong with discussing majic, manifesting, radionics or other paranormal.
It's when you bait people to a website that charges for software that becomes a problem. Maybe you did not directly say go here and buy the program but thats how I saw it.
And to see a Mod doing this sort of around the censor advertising gives me the willies.

I also agree with Netchicken when he says why wouldn't the ShamMan just sit back and collect money with this power of his? Why should he go to the trouble of writing code for others? Well obviously because as you stated he has a product and products are for sale.

"DON'T MAKE ME COME UP THERE AND...."

"oops..."

*looks around, remembers her kids can't type yet*

"Oh, sorry. Thought I heard....."

"Nah. It's just the Mods!"


My take on this is that if you're that willing (and have the extra moolah) to buy a program like this, then you're not happy enough w/ yourself to make such wishes and will only cause harm to yourself and/or to others. This is not saying that I believe nor disbelieve. I AM saying that it is interesting, and I am glad it was put out here.

I have a suggestion for moderators; please, move this to Paranormal Studies or any other pseudoscientific section. Or, even better, to dev/null.

Wow, that was quick. Thanks.

[edit on 9-11-2004 by Agnis]

[edit on 9-11-2004 by Agnis]

Originally posted by Netchicken
If this was just a "believe what you want" concept then I wouldn't care about it.

That's exactly what it is.

However this is a scam selling a program, that takes it out of the wishy washy "You believe what you want" type of environment into "This is a product that claims to produce an outcome".

I am not selling anything, and I'm benefiting in anyway from posting that thread. In NO WAY. No advertisment. No Scam. PERIOD.

As a result BECAUSE it markets itself as a program, it is OPEN to critique.

Of course it's open to critique. Did I say it's not??? I wanted a discussion over it. If I never wanted a discussion I would've never posted it. I was even thinking twice about posting this thread before I even started it.

I know the first one is free, but if you read the page they are expensive after that.

So I made a mistake by posting the link. If I didn't post it, people would've asked me anyhow, just as they are asking me in a u2u. Once again, I'm not benefiting in anyway. I'm not using ATS for some scam, and it was never my intention to do anything like that.

This thread would not have been here if it had been made by anyone else, we are promoting a product that is blatently a scam. Particularly in the Science forum.

Once again Netchicken... I posted about my experiences with it. I posted similar experiences before with similar products and nobody here ever mentioned anything about any scam. Now all of a sudden it's a stupid scam.

When someone tries to get money out of the gullible then they open themselves to critisism and attack, especially if the grounds are as fraudulent as this is.

Of course. But I'm not selling anything!!! Understand that this guy out of the blue offered me to try out the program. I never asked him, and I have a million times more contact with the mods here at ATs that I've ever had with him. I repeat again... Mi no ta bende NADA!!!

If you believe this, and are too afraid to challange the promoters then I have a magic toothbrush, every time I brush my teeth it connects to the ether and grants me my wishes. I will give you the first toothbrush free, but this is just a simple version, a multi colored version with twice the transmitting power is available for only $300.

Ridicule...

This is no joke, I was wishing that someone would empty the dishwasher this morning when I was using my magic toothbrush, and sure enough when I went back into the kitchen it was empty!!!

It works!!!

THIS is the level of scam that you are defending.

Nope... I disagree 100%. And I'm 100% dissapointed in most of the reactions I've gotten so far. Making false accusations against me by people I respect and trust.

Originally posted by TheBandit795

Nope... I disagree 100%. And I'm 100% dissapointed in most of the reactions I've gotten so far. Making false accusations against me by people I respect and trust.

LOL! You can't believe that someone took the dishes out of Netchicken dishwasher and put them away but you will believe that money was deposited in your account because of this program and that one of your favorite ball players averages increased because of this same program.

This is very sad.

I've been lurking the forums since December of last year and I've seen great posts by many people who posted in this thread.

I find it very unbecoming to stoop to the level of those with less intelligence, netchicken.

I have read a lot about these devices even before I asked Bandit to post some more information. I've even tried the programs.

Have I had any results? Unfortunately, no. But, I'll be the first to say it's not because the program doesn't work. No, it's because I spent a whole 5 minutes on it. The Cyber Shaman program is also very poorly documented to those who are anything less than advanced in radonics.

Anyhow, there's a large community out there that actually work with these things and they say it works... I'm bound to give them the benefit of the doubt because the odds of all of these people being liars and con artisis albeit with no personal monetary gain to receive is candidly low.

Either way, Bandit, I appreciate your posts. It's helped me understand a bit about how the software works... it's still, unfortunately, poorly documented. Is there any chance of good tutorials or documentation out there for the program that a novice such as myself can utilize to see results.

Thanks.

With best regards,
Cryus.

[edit on 11/9/2004 by Cryus]

And you have no idea of what's going through my head and how much I have struggled if this kind of stuf is real or not. And how many years I have doubted and was being skeptical of this and related stuff. How much years I've spent researching more and more to see if it was really true or not. Too see hundreds, if not thousands of other people in other websites posting their results with different ways, different cultures, and different materials in different places. How many times I was wondering if they were speaking the thruth or not. How many times I was thinking that they were lying. Questioning things I've myself done in other ways, that I've never mentioned to anyone. Wondering if my memory was bad, if all of it was just a coincidence. So don't judge me on what I post here.

Save the good stuff for elsewhere not here.

Would you mind if I discusss things in the future by U2U with you?

well i just did one! it was quite a cool experience actually, especially with the music there, just hope my visualization was strong enough at the set stage, as it seems to me that thats the key part to it. Anyhow now iv gotta forget about it apparently until something happens.

So does this program cost any money? Or let me guess you get one turn for free and then the price is quite steep after that????

The one session version is free and doesn't expire. Another one called "digital radionics" is also free. Google it.

Thanks for the U2U Bandit. I will reply on the forum as this is a b-grade scam so I would like all forum members to read this.

The trial program doesn't include the full set of bells and whistles but most people are willing to give it a go. Judging from the site counter at least a few tens of thousands have. Now most people are going to pray for something that has a fair probability of either happening or not happening....e.g. new job, money, new love etc. Based on the simple theory of probability and nothing more a small percentage of trial users will by random chance get what they prayed for. Is it because of the program? No, but most will probably believe so:

"Wow if this trial program gives me what I want why not pay the $695 for the program with the whole set of symbols/features???? I know it works so please take my money."

Of course you will only ever hear from people who have had success with the program but not from the 90% who get nothing from it.

And if you do believe this program works I have a secret roulette betting system the casinos do not want you to know about. I am so confident you will win a small fortune if you follow it to the letter I will give it to your for free and you can pay me the $500 the secret betting sytem costs from your winnings. That's right my guaranteed betting system the casinos don't want you to know about won't cost you a penny!!! Pay me for it with the houses money after you win big. U2U me for details.

OK, I am sorry for upsetting people here over this program.
Bandit, I am sorry if I have offended you over this, I was trying to play the ball, not the person.

I guess I have rattled your cages enough and put my side out. If you wish to carry on at least I can say you have been warned.

Hey mrdependable these are MY suckers, I posted here first Find some other ones for your gambling program.
I really do have these magic toothbrushes, and they are a darn sight cheaper than a computer program.



[edit on 9-11-2004 by Netchicken]

Bandit, I do have to say, you do an awful lot of advertising for new-age products, sometimes you come across as a sales guy. I am very dubious myself, that any of this works. However, I do think the flack you are getting is unfair, and people should try it at the very least, before they fail it and attack you.

I'm going to download it myself later for my personal test.

[edit on 9-11-2004 by Indigo_Child]

Originally posted by mrdependable
"Wow if this trial program gives me what I want why not pay the $695 for the program with the whole set of symbols/features???? I know it works so please take my money."

DISCLAIMER: My post in no way condones the actions set forth herein. Do not U2U me regarding the repercussions for taking such advice into consideration.

That being said, there are plenty of hacker/cracker sites out there. Perhaps you should run a patch and get the registered version? Maybe off a warez site if you can't find a keygen or a crack? Once that's done, test the program and features.

Ignorance and unwillingness to try something out is no excuse for skepticism.

Yes, there are cracks out there for the program. I've seen them. I've yet to use them, but I've seen them.

So, take the initiative and run the crack. If the program works, buy it. If it doesn't, didn't cost a penny, eh?

And, please, don't even try this if you never plan on buying the damn program even if it works. Think of it as the test drive before the purchase.

[NOTE: I do not condone illegal activities. I believe that pirating software for the sake of a trial use of approximately 24 hours is acceptable, and only if there is a great interest in purchasing the software after the trial. Every software I own is legal. Don't message me about the legalities, please]

I have been following this thread, and is quite amusing to read all the comments and while I am open minded and have enjoyed reading Bandit's posts, I will look at this a little further but in my first impressions this kinda clouded everything up for me- from the site in question.




sounds as if they are targeting very vulnerable people, at first glance.

Pretty much says it all for me.

FIRST of all, about half of the crack sites are bugged w/ viruses and tracers.

Secondly, I felt compelled to post again.

I'm a little wary about trying to figure out how this program actually works, as in the details, but I believe it's similar in fashion to a much simpler Goal Setting method I'm currently trying out. Once again, you have to be very specific w/ it.

I have to wonder about the people that have this kind of money to actually buy the program. $695??? WOW. I could get a new pc w/ that!! But if they already have that kind of money, then I would assume they were buying the program to get MORE money...or at least, wish for more money. Materialism and wealth never seem to make people happy because they are always searching for something else - more money, LOVE, weather control...oops. *did I say that out loud?*

My point is that an enlightened mind wouldn't have such need for such a product, and therefore wouldn't buy it. I LIKE the idea, and wish for people like you to keep posting new ideas in this area. But once again, and you even agreed w/ me on this, it DOES come from w/in. Don't EVER think that you don't posess the power (intelligence and practice) to do the 'footwork' that this program does for you.