Important quotes regarding The Extraterrestrial Hypothosis.

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posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 02:10 PM
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It seems that it is now fashionable to take a less positive view of the ETH ( I personally think the truth is a rich mixture of scenarios that is beyond our present level of comprehension ).
However there has been a huge amount of serious of research and evidence gathering over the last 50+ years from a ETH viewpoint that is still very relevant to the field.

The following are quotes on the subject by many important individuals over the years.

John Alexander, NIDS, “Refuting Fermi: No Evidence for Extraterrestrial Life?”



“The undeniable reality is that there are a substantial number of multi-sensor UFO cases backed by thousands of credible witnesses. In the physical domain there are many photos, videos, radar tracking, satellite sensor reports, landing traces including depressions and anomalous residual radiation, electromagnetic interference, and confirmed physiological effects. Personal observations have been made both day and night, often under excellent visibility with some at close range. Included are reports from multiple independent witnesses to the same event. Psychological testing of some observers has confirmed their mentally competence. Why is none of this considered evidence?



There are over 3000 cases reported by pilots, some of which include interference with flight controls. On numerous occasions air traffic controllers and other radar operators have noted unexplained objects on their scopes. So too have several astronomers and other competent scientists reported their personal observations. Many military officials from several countries have confirmed multi-sensor observations of UFOs. The most senior air defense officers of Russia, Brazil, Belgium and recently a former Chief of Naval Operations in Chile all have stated that UFOs are real. These cases and comments are a miniscule fraction of the total body of evidence.



Of course they do not constitute irrefutable proof. However, to state there is no evidence suggestive of intelligent extraterrestrial life simply belies the facts. Decades in duration and global in nature, there are too many hard sensor data-points and millions of eyewitnesses to ignore. We certainly can debate the significance of specific data and question whether or not it establishes a causal relationship between the observations and extraterrestrial life. However, it is only through ignorance or pomposity that one can say no evidence exists.”





Stanton Friedman, The Case for the Extraterrestrial Origin of Flying Saucers, 1995



“Abstract: Careful review of a vast array of relevant evidence clearly leads to the conclusion that some unidentified flying objects are intelligently controlled vehicles whose origin is outside our solar system. All the arguments against the extraterrestrial origin seem to be based upon false reasoning, misrepresentation of evidence, neglect of relevant information, ignorance of relevant technology, or pseudo sophisticated assumptions about alien appearance, motivation, or government secrecy….



The primary UFO evidence consists of UFO sighting reports, multi-witness close encounters, still and motion pictures, radar trackings, simultaneous radar-visual sightings, physical traces (environmental changes in dirt, vegetation, trees, etc.) produced by UFOs, abductions by aliens of Earthlings, and very likely (in hidden locations) crashed UFOs and preserved alien bodies. The worldwide origin of the various data collections indicate similar experiences occurring and being reported independently all over the planet. The overall quality and quantity of reports is far better than most people—especially open-minded skeptics and scientists and newspaper reporters—are aware….



There is no doubt in my mind, after 37 years of study and investigation that the evidence is overwhelming that planet Earth is being visited by intelligently controlled vehicles whose origin is extraterrestrial. There are no acceptable arguments against flying saucer reality, only people who either haven’t studied the relevant data or have a strong will not to believe that Earth is at the bottom of the heap sociologically and technologically in our local galactic neighborhood.”





Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and leading UFO researcher, author of several books and numerous articles on UFOs.



“The evidence is overwhelming that the Earth is being visited by intelligently controlled vehicles from off the Earth.”



“There are no good arguments to be made against the conclusion that some UFOs are intelligently controlled vehicles from off the Earth. Some skeptics may be well intentioned, but they are almost always ignorant of the significant scientific data indicating UFO reality. They read the newspapers but not the solid information. They are unaware of the myriad landing-trace cases, the multitude of “critter” reports and Earthling abductions, the numerous large-scale scientific collections of data, the many published scientific studies indicating that trips to nearby stars in our galactic neighborhood are already feasible without violating the laws of physics or invoking science fiction techniques.”





James McDonald, atmospheric physicist, leading UFO scientist in 1960’s– “UFOs: Extraterrestrial Probes?”



“On the basis of an intensive study of the UFO problem, I believe that the extraterrestrial-origin hypothesis must now be given extremely serious scientific attention….



…After a year of scrutiny of highly unconventional phenomena credibly reported from all parts of this country and [I believe] from most of the entire world, I have been driven to consider possibilities that I'd ordinarily not give a moment's thought to in my own personal brand of orthodoxy. It is the UFO evidence that slowly forces the diligent UFO student to seriously consider the extraterrestrial hypothesis - evidence that I can only describe as extraordinary in its total nature….



All over the globe persons in all walks of life, representing a wide range of educational and cultural backgrounds, are reporting, often in the face of unpleasant ridicule, sightings of objects that appear to be completely real objects yet have characteristics that match nothing about which we have present knowledge….



Hoax, fraud, and fabrication account for a few but, in terms of percentage, negligible numbers of UFO sightings. Misinterpreted meteorological and astronomical observations and the like do account do account for lots of poor UFO reports, but experienced investigators learn to recognize these almost at a glance and dismiss them from further attention…



It is the detailed, close-range sightings by persons whose reliability cannot be brought into serious question that carry great weight.



Pacing of aircraft and buzzing of cars by UFOs go on rather steadily. These cases so strongly suggest something vaguely resembling surveillance or reconnaissance that the student of the problem is forced to weigh the possibility that the UFOs are probes of some type engaged in something we would loosely call "observation."



There are many other categories of sightings suggesting the same tentative hypothesis. How can this be? There is, in my opinion, no sensible alternative to the utterly shocking hypothesis that the UFOs are extraterrestrial probes.



There is, in my opinion, no sensible alternative to the utterly shocking hypothesis that the UFOs are extraterrestrial probes.”

Dr. Steven Greer, “Foundations of Interplanetary Unity”



“The evidence that at least one extraterrestrial civilization has visited Earth is extensive both in scope and detail. In its totality it comprises a body of evidence which at the very least supports the general assessment that extraterrestrial life has been detected, and that a vigorous program of research and serious diplomatic initiatives is warranted. Consider the following overview of facts:

• There are numerous daytime and night time photographs and videotapes of clearly non-human spacecraft from all over the world; these films and videotapes have been evaluated and deemed authentic by competent experts in optical physics and related fields.

• There are more than 3500 military and commercial aircraft pilot reports of encounters worldwide; many cases have corroborating radar documentation and multiple witnesses both on the ground and in the air.

• There are more than 4000 landing trace cases from around the world.

• There are hundreds of electromagnetic cases where spacecraft have been observed by police, military personnel and civilians to affect car engines, radios and other electric devices.

• There are more than 100 first- and second- hand witnesses to the retrieval of an extraterrestrial spacecraft and at least four extraterrestrial bodies from a crash which occurred in July, 1947, 75 miles northwest of Roswell, New Mexico; written and videotaped testimony from several first-hand witnesses who are respected military officers have been obtained.

• There are hundreds of credible reports, many with multiple witnesses, of humanoids in association with landed spacecraft.

• There are several multiple-witnessed events where humans have been taken on board spacecraft.

• CSETI (The Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence) has in the past 18 months succeeded in intentionally establishing contact with extraterrestrial spacecraft, on two occasions at very close range, and with multiple witnesses present.

• Various polls have indicated that approximately 10% of Americans (25 million people) have seen them at close range so that details of the structure of the object can be discerned.

• Numerous US. Government documents exist which indicate that these objects are real and have been involved with observing Earth for several decades.

It is an understatement to say that the time has arrived for a serious and open international dialogue regarding the possibility of future interplanetary relations. In no other area of human experience has so much evidence existed for so long, and yet been attended by such a paucity of serious research and analysis - at least in the civilian domain. While the subject matter [of UFOs] itself is extraordinary, it is the absence of a serious human response to it that is most extraordinary.”


Leslie Kean, journalist, UFO researcher, “Science and the Failure To Investigate Unidentified Aerial Phenomena”



“Unidentified aerial phenomena, otherwise known as UFOs, are real, not the stuff of science fiction. Something for which there is no scientific explanation has been observed in America’s (and the world’s) air space for over fifty-five years. Trained observers -- pilots, air traffic controllers, radar operators, astronauts, military personnel -- and government agencies have reported and documented spectacular events visually, photographically, and on

radar. Many accounts are available in the literature.”



Lord Hill-Norton, Chief of Defense Staff, Ministry of Defense, Great Britain (1971-73);

”The evidence that there are objects which have been seen in our atmosphere, and even on terra firma, that cannot be accounted for either as man-made objects or as any physical force or effect known to our scientists seems to me to be overwhelming… A very large number of sightings have been vouched for by persons whose credentials seem to me unimpeachable. It is striking that so many have been trained observers, such as police officers and airline or military pilots. Their observations have in many instances—though by no menas a majority—been supported by technical means such as radar or, even more convincingly, by visible evidence of the condition of the observers or –and this is common to many events---interference with electrical apparatus of one sort or another…. It is difficult to credit that they have all been either lying or hallucinating.

From the earliest days of the modern outbreak of sightings some forty years ago, there is a quite remarkable similarity between the descriptions given by observers of the flying vehicles. It is the more remarkable that there have been tens of thousands of these reports, from observers who range who range from illiterate peasants in Argentina and Spain to people with Ph.D.s in other countries and they have all been given spontaneously—which has led to the generic term “flying saucer.” It must be more than a coincidence….

“There have been thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of sightings and encounters, physical results and of the latter, by people all over the world whose evidence on any other subject would be accepted without question. There have been major investigations lasting thirty or forty years by the governments of the USA, Russia and France, for certain, and probably Britain and other countries. At the end of it all—today—we have no hard official information to weigh against some hundreds of books on the subject by private individuals or groups of individuals.”





Don Berliner, UFO researcher, author, FUFOR (Fund for UFO Research), “Is There a Case for UFO’s?”


”If every UFO report could be convincingly credited to some conventional astronomical or atmospheric phenomenon, there would be no UFO mystery. It is precisely because so many UFO reports cannot logically be blamed on stars, planets, satellites, airplanes, balloons, etc., that a UFO mystery has existed since at least the mid-1940s.



The most convincing UFO reports were produced in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s by airline pilots, military pilots and ex-military pilots. These men had the training and the experience to be able to distinguish between normal sky sights and highly abnormal sights. They knew what airplanes looked like, and what meteors looked like, having seen them many times. Their visual observations were frequently supported by radar data which showed essentially the same thing. They were therefore able, on many occasions, to methodically eliminate conventional phenomena from consideration when trying to identify UFOs.



In those same decades, most UFO sightings were made in the daytime and frequently at close range, when shapes and surface features could be distinguished, thus making positive identification of normal sights easier and the descriptions of unusual sights more detailed. When all normal explanations had been eliminated, the witnesses could concentrate on those aspects of the experience which were most abnormal.



These abnormal aspects included the shapes of UFOs and their behavior. Most of the UFOs seen in the daytime were said to have had simple geometric shapes--discs, ovals, spheres, cylinders--and surfaces that looked like metal. Such shapes are not only nonexistent among known aircraft, but contrary to all known theories of flight, in most cases offering control and performance disadvantages rather than advantages.



Even more unusual were the specifics of their flight performance: silent hovering, silent high-speed flight, extreme acceleration, supersonic flight at low altitude without sonic booms, and violent, very high-g maneuvers. The actions of many UFOs have suggested that they fly independently of the air and even of the force of gravity. The accomplishment of these maneuvers has been among the major goals of the world's aerospace industry for decades.

On the basis of their appearance, behavior and frequent well-kept, tight formation flights, we must face the possibility that some UFOs may be manufactured, high-tech vehicles….



At first glance, the idea that some UFOs may be vehicles from outside the Earth seems utterly preposterous, the baseless result of wishful thinking by highly unscientific minds.



When authoritative reports of radical-design craft having spectacular performance are viewed in the light of a stream of astrobiological discoveries, the possibility that some UFOs are alien does not seem quite so farfetched. Serious-minded scientists in astronomy and other disciplines estimate there could be billions of planets in the universe, and millions that could harbor life. If even a few of those planets were occupied by technological civilizations, their ability (if not desire) to explore other worlds, such as ours, must be a possibility.



Hundreds of thousands of UFO sightings have been made by persons in all walks of life, in all parts of the world. Tens of thousands of UFO reports have been made to governmental and private agencies in the past 55+ years. Thousands of these reports have withstood careful scrutiny and appear to represent real objects having a novel nature.



Patterns of these UFOs' appearance and behavior suggest a limited range of sizes and shapes of unidentified craft, despite the often-desperate efforts on the part of the American and other governments to discount them as nothing more substantial than mistakes made by naïve individuals. Their performance, observed repeatedly by expert witnesses, remains as far off the scale today as it was in the 1940s.



If even one of these unidentified UFOs turns out to be an alien craft, the impact on all aspects of our nation's culture--economic, political, personal--will be limited only by what is learned from an open, serious, objective study of the subject.”



Don Berliner, “What UFOs Are and Are Not”



“For more than 50 years, men and women around the world have reported sights in the sky that are strange to their experience and understanding. Inasmuch as many of these sights appeared to be solid objects having impressive performance, they have become known as Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) or, colloquially, flying saucers. Their positive identification is one of the major public/scientific challenges of the era, with a significant number of these sights so far defying all reasonable efforts at classification.”





Francis Ridge, UFO researcher, site coordinator, NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena)



“The following is what makes UFOlogy worth pursuing and is not intended for the close-minded. We already have:



1) Millions of sightings worldwide and a hundred-thousand-plus sightings are on computer (UFOCAT).


2) 3,000-plus sightings from aircraft (Dr. Richard Haines).


3) 489 radar cases, many radar/visual (Dominique Weinstein); 363 radar cases, 76 as R/V (USAF records alone).


4) 5600 trace cases documented, 4104 involving UFO visual sightings (CUFOS).


5) Over 500 cases of E-M effects associated with UFO sightings (CUFOS) and 185 E-M cases documented involving UFOs near aircraft (Dr. Richard Haines).


6) Hundreds, if not thousands, of excellent close encounters by credible obswervers whose testimony in court would be taken at face value.


7) About 4,000 (701 originally) UNKNOWNS listed in Project Blue Book files.”


Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, first Director of the CIA (1947-50), NICAP board member



"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is... " (Maccabee, Bruce, "What The Admiral Knew: UFO, MJ-12 and R. Hillenkoetter," International UFO Reporter, Nov./Dec., 1986.)



"It is time for the truth to be brought out in open Congressional hearings. Behind the scenes high ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense." (Statement in a NICAP news release, February 27, 1960.)





President Harry S. Truman



"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth." (April 4, 1950, White House Press Conference.)





President Gerald Ford, 1966:



" I have taken special interest in these accounts [of UFOs].. I think there may be substance to some of these reports… I think we owe it to the people to establish credibility regarding UFOs and to produce the greatest possible enlightenment on this subject." (Committee on Armed Services of the House of Representatives, Eighty-Ninth Congress, Second Session, Hearing on Unidentified Flying Objects, April 5, 1966.)





President Jimmy Carter, during his election campaign in May 1976:



" I am convinced that UFOs exist because I've seen one... " (The National Enquirer, June 8, 1976, "The Night I Saw a UFO." Statement confirmed by White House special assistant media liaison, Jim Purks, in an April 20, 1979 letter.)



In October of '69, Jimmy Carter witnessed a UFO. From "Above Top Secret" (book): During his election campaign of 1976 he told the following to reporters:



"It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the moon.. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing's for sure, I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky.”





Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding, Commander-in-Chief of RAF Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain, made the following comment to the press in 1954:



"More than 10,000 sightings have been reported, the majority of which cannot be accounted for by any 'scientific' explanation... I am convinced that these objects do exist and that they are not manufactured by any nation on earth. I can therefore see no alternative to accepting the theory that they come from some extraterrestrial source." (Sunday Dispatch, London, July 11, 1954.)




Professor Hermann Oberth, German rocket expert



"It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are space ships from another solar system. I think that they possibly are manned by intelligent observers who are members of a race that may have been investigating our earth for centuries.” (Oberth H., "Flying Saucers Come From A Distant World," The American Weekly, October 24, 1954.)



"It is my conclusion that UFOs do exist, are very real, and are spaceships from another or more than one solar system. They are possibly manned by intelligent observers who are members of a race carrying out long-range scientific investigations of our earth for centuries." (UFO News, 1974.)


Gordon Cooper, Astronaut (Mercury), November 9, 1978:


"I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on earth.”



“Every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this.”









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posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 02:34 PM
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And that is why it is so weird we still can not prove they exist.

Could it be we have not evolved far enough to even prove their existence?



posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by mcx1942
And that is why it is so weird we still can not prove they exist.

Could it be we have not evolved far enough to even prove their existence?


While that maybe the case, it is also possible that there is no "they"
Only unknown,misidentified or psychological phenomena.
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posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 03:41 PM
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Dr. Steven Greer, “Foundations of Interplanetary Unity”
CSETI (The Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence) has in the past 18 months succeeded in intentionally establishing contact with extraterrestrial spacecraft, on two occasions at very close range, and with multiple witnesses present.

Can't believe you put Greer in there , Important quotes ?

To counter that here is someone credible .
What does it mean for a civilisation to be a million years old? We have had radio telescopes and spaceships for a few decades; our technical civilisation is a few hundred years old ... an advanced civilisation millions of years old is as much beyond us as we are beyond a bushbaby or a macaque.
Carl Sagan

Too much openness and you accept every notion, idea, and hypothesis—which is tantamount to knowing nothing. Too much skepticism—especially rejection of new ideas before they are adequately tested—and you're not only unpleasantly grumpy, but also closed to the advance of science. A judicious mix is what we need.
Carl Sagan

A judicious mix is what is needed on this forum , a little more critical thinking and a little less blind acceptance .



posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 04:09 PM
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There are plenty of people who will not dispute that there is evidence for UFOs.

But who can be certain that they are ET?

There is evidence they come from other planets?

Please, show us that these manifestations come from off this world.



posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 04:44 PM
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Humanity is still in process phase of understanding the unknown either ETH related physical beings craft or entities that are existing Coexisting along side humanity but are not fully detectable with most human techs... EDH.

Off topic. @ times 1 considered, are technological advances with airwave broadcast from land or satellite transmit points from tv-radio-cell-computer etc. causing more or less sightings as the human physical body is exposed to physical but unseen in normal eye spectrum airwaves that potentially affect the brain wave activity. And so are more techs. Limiting human sense ability do to blocking their EDH or ETH transmissions or increasing Sensing more their EDH or ETH transmissions.

I say both EDH or ETH because they can very well be physical in their realms of existence but here appear more ghostly/apparition like/ less physical more metaphysical Entity energy like, but in their zones YOU may be somewhat the same in appearance to them its just they can see you like a clear movie in play perhaps, yes that clear and here they are seen barely.

This may be a dimension location signature, higher up dimensions SEE understand lower dimensions more then lower can even comprehend on most levels. (gets tricky however when consideration of beings existing in this dimension with tech or ability to go into higher or lower dimensions)... And so how they are interrupted here EDH or ETH based on this dimensions level of awareness.

Not looking @ it all like strait energy movements of up and down, more to 1 subjectively like shells and so the higher (outer) dimension does not have to = positive in some areas but it CAN be depending- just like potential lower shells from here this dimension where some perhaps would see the positives and negatives demonstrated here... And so.
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posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 04:56 PM
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Cannot remember clearly for some reason, but Nikola Tesla I think was working on paranormal gateway type techs with FORD but not sure on this... but if so then the advanced technology should be picking up -en. sigs.-




As it was an alternating-current motor and there were no batteries involved, where did the power come from?
Popular responses included charges of "black magic," and the sensitive genius didn't like the skeptical comments of the press. He removed his mysterious box, returned to his laboratory in New York - and the secret of his power source died with him.


paranormal.about.com...
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posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 04:59 PM
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E.T exist? - yes
Are they here on earth? - no
All U.F.O's are man-made.

Everything you know is wrong.
Don't let the media or anyone else deceive you.
Make up your own mind for what is important in your life.



posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 06:02 PM
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None of the quotes listed really point to sightings/landings/traces of UFO's as being of extra terrestrial origin, unidentified craft have been seen/photographed/been tracked by radar, well these could just as readily be classified terrestrial craft ,the common theme with purported landings seems to be elevated traces of radiation and electro magnetic disturbances, This could point toward as yet unannounced electro gravitic craft.



posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 06:14 PM
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You missed one important quote -





Sam Seaborn: 'Cause it's next. 'Cause we came out of the cave, and we looked over the hill and we saw fire; and we crossed the ocean and we pioneered the west, and we took to the sky. The history of man is hung on a timeline of exploration and this is what's next.


Screw the nay sayers...



posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 07:33 PM
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So the basic consensus, in which I could've written down in 2 minutes (oh, I did it in less), is that there is a genuine phenomenon of UFOs in which real craft have been spotted, real experiences had and the only question is, what is causing it all?

You either believe or don't based on the info provided, although without doubt, there is a lot more information which just isn't available to the public in existence.

It's disgusting to think that TPTB who hold all the knowledge on this phenomenon still won't come clean and admit the truth. Arguably it has been this way for 60 years or more, and whatever there reasons may be, financial/political gain, it's wrong that the truth is being held from the people.

Ofc, "the truth" may just be top secret operations involving terrestrial craft, but then why the abductions and why is it a world wide phenomenon?

Some think that there's no point in telling the public, I am strong believer in the truth personally and I feel we have a right to know.
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posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 07:53 PM
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Stanton Friedman, The Case for the Extraterrestrial Origin of Flying Saucers, 1995
“...whose origin is outside our solar system." or "vehicles from off the Earth.”

I disagree with both conclusions or even that it must be extraterrestrial (no Earth bound) at all (even if I do not dismiss such possibilities).

I also do no longer have any interest in anything Dr. Steven Greer may have to say (or did say), he may have started well intentioned but after mixing his own opinions and agendas with the presentation of evidence he has tainted it all, and did a disservice to anyone attempting to understand what is going on...



posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Panic2k11
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Stanton Friedman, The Case for the Extraterrestrial Origin of Flying Saucers, 1995
“...whose origin is outside our solar system." or "vehicles from off the Earth.”

I disagree with both conclusions or even that it must be extraterrestrial (no Earth bound) at all (even if I do not dismiss such possibilities).

I also do no longer have any interest in anything Dr. Steven Greer may have to say (or did say), he may have started well intentioned but after mixing his own opinions and agendas with the presentation of evidence he has tainted it all, and did a disservice to anyone attempting to understand what is going on...







In regards to Stans quotes, I wouldn't quite say it's fact in the public domain but when you look at the witness reports and some of the sightings, put into context the ET hypothesis is a very strong proposition



posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 08:12 PM
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I contest that view as a certainty because there is no possibility to a) validate all that input data b) the data may be in part or in total intentionally deceitful even by the supposed ETs.

One thing that we must acknowledge when looking to that part of the phenomena is that there is no real consistency and seems to have extreme cultural impact, for example the grays. As for the intelligent driven flying objects we have historic records that provides a larger background, but as I stated my objection is to the conclusion that it must be extraterrestrial...



posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Panic2k11
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I contest that view as a certainty because there is no possibility to a) validate all that input data b) the data may be in part or in total intentionally deceitful even by the supposed ETs.

One thing that we must acknowledge when looking to that part of the phenomena is that there is no real consistency and seems to have extreme cultural impact, for example the grays. As for the intelligent driven flying objects we have historic records that provides a larger background, but as I stated my objection is to the conclusion that it must be extraterrestrial...


Fair point and as mentioned, you either believe or not on the information available.

Additionally though, in case of the abductees, if some have really been taken (by ETs or by some top secret military unit), then I would suggest that the people have a right to know
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posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 08:36 PM
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They do exist...the powers at be are hiding it from us. If UFOS shows up today, religion, governments, politics, banks, money would be worthless. There is too much to lose for the hierarchy if they came back. But fools onto them, since they do not control everything. Take a big heart to believe in ufos.



posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 09:31 PM
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Well, since we are in agreement that an intelligence drives some of those UFOs and I get you have no doubt about that, then the second realization should be that governments (some governments or parts of governments) should at least have gotten to the same point that we did long ago. Heck even if they did not come to our level of certainty they at least had to confront at some level that possibility...

The proportion regarding to the percentage of those UFOs that are "ours" is directly related to the percentage of attention and care that governments will dedicate into finding out what UFOs are...
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posted on Jul, 8 2013 @ 11:22 PM
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Greer is a liar and charlatan

There are no evidence whatsoever that this UFO phenomena is caused by Extra Terrestrial. There's only Hypothesis but no evidence/proof.

and

There are more hypothesis regarding the source of UFO phenomena thats well documented historically.

Did everyone here forgot about the Trickster and its cosmic jokes ?



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 12:18 AM
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The public just does not have enough available facts to do more than speculate concerning any hypothesis. Within some government entities, there may very well be certain individuals that know, and they are not telling us much, but I for one am certain they do know much more than they are telling us.

I would lean toward the extraterrestrial hypothesis based upon available evidence, and based upon eye witness accounts by individuals of the stature of astronauts such as Cooper and Mitchell among others. Obviously, for that hypothesis to work, physical laws as we know them don't all apply, or at least do not appear to. It really bugs me though when scientists and other skeptics poo poo the idea that UFO's could possibly be real, or even more so extraterrestrial in origin, because they do not fit tidily into what we currently understand. This is the same arrogance that has been perpetrated upon humanity in the past by close minded skeptics including many scientists, theists, government know-it-alls, etc. when faced with the unknown, and then low and behold, new discoveries happen because people with more open minds chose to ignore the skeptics.

We as a species are infants. Evolution takes a lot of time. If aliens do exist, and they are traveling interstellar distances, then it is logical to assume that they are much farther along, perhaps by millions of years, in their evolution from their earliest experiences with self-awareness and technologies. We might be to them, as dogs are to us, as relating to understanding of how things work.



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 12:43 AM
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The aliens are in fact in charge. There is nothing the government can do. The aliens directly control everything related to their presence and how much they disclose of their presence on Earth. The fact the government is helpless is something the government could never admit publicly.

Government files illustrate a number of disturbing UFO sighting reports that show "hostile actions" by the aliens. Does the government want to announce this to the public, especially if the government can not control events?



The aliens are covering up as well. They appear to be using what some researchers call a "leaky embargo." They present themselves but in a way that proof can not be confirmed. Instead of landing and announcing they are here, they fly beside aircraft for a number of minutes, or pass messages to lone individuals who take the message to the world.

The aliens could land on the White House lawn anytime they wanted and make themselves known. The aliens have refused to directly announce their presence, and this forces hesitation on behalf of the government.

If the aliens won’t announce, why should the government go first? The government is waiting to see what the ultimate goal of the aliens is. This directly ties into the many reports of Milabs where some abduction witnesses report being reabducted by military people, drugged and interrogated, and asked to relate what the aliens told them and what the aliens are up to.


For those who have studied the data - it is easy to perceive the truth. For the 99% of those discussing this subject who have not studied the data - of course aliens cannot be true - they fit into the category of Peter Pan and the Loch Ness monster. This is what Stanton Friedman always says, and gets frustrated because his highly educated mind is looking down at people rambling around with no education.





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