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Obama: “The government is us, and we’re doing things right”

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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


Ok I'll tell you what....let's just call it Progressive since it encompasses both liberalism and socialism in a far left scenario. We can add some Globalism for those things which the Left considers Right, such as oh warhawkishness(although many Progressives such as FDR also got us into wars).

I think a lot of people don't really know what he is doing, and/or don't care as long as he keeps giving them free stuff.(Obamaphones and such).
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There isn't a damm thing socialist about america. If you lived in canada or western europe 20 years ago then yes. What we have is out of control welfare state because there are no jobs in america anymore, the manufacturing base has gone to asia for the most part.

Welfare State in a pseudo-capitalist enviroment full with cronyism is the exact definition of liberalism.

Big business keeps getting bailouts in these so called stimulus programs done in secret by the federal reserve when they should have been encouraged to fail under capitalism. In socialism the workers own the means of production and the government overlooks the operation and gives bailouts to the industry. Private business deserves no bailouts. Public business does sometimes.

Nothing has been nationalised except for the affordable healthcare act and it seems to be a failure anyway.
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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 09:35 PM
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Why must we always go around and around about this?


The welfare state is funded through redistributionist taxation and is often referred to as a type of "mixed economy".[3] Such taxation usually includes a larger income tax for people with higher incomes, called a progressive tax. This helps to reduce the income gap between the rich and poor

en.wikipedia.org...
Redistribution of income is always connected with socialism and it is part of the welfare state mechanism, transferring wealth from taxpayers to others through the State. It is forced, unlike voluntary charity. Perhaps you are confused about it since there is usually still an element of Capitalism in order for there to be income to be redistributed, and that is how socialism acts as a bridge between Capitalism and Communism. Perhaps you mean it is not a communistic mechanism, where everyone would just be assigned jobs and all things are run by the State.
It is likely where Obamacare is headed though, as it would eventually eliminate private practice and the State would begin telling doctors where and when they can practice, in fact, really, the State already interferes by the mechanism itself, and thus Obamacare has elements of socialism and communism by the nature of interfering in private practice. Remember, Communism has as its end the abolition of private property. In Communist Russia, people were assigned jobs and told where to live and practice.

The Wikipedia source I cited also states that those countries like Denmark and Finland have welfare state programs and relates it to Capitalistic society, but how can Socialism exist without having Capitalism to parasitically siphon off of? This is why Karl Marx and Lenin both said that Socialism was just a bridge to the more dramatic Communism.
In America, we have what economists call a "mixed economy". While this does involve Capitalism, it also involves Keynesianism and Socialism.
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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 09:43 PM
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Good lord. There is nothing nationalised in america. Nothing belongs to the people as whole. Everything is in the private sector. Socialism needs a public sector and a private sector that is why it is in between capitalism and communism in practical application.

Please reread my previous post as it was edited.


Sure we have a welfare system and superficial redistribution of wealth. That is part of liberal capitalism. Conservatives dont believe in welfare system or any redistribution of wealth. They want pure capitalism with no bailouts. If you make it then you succeed if not then you fail. That is the way capitalism is supposed to operate!

And wikipedia isn't exactly the best source. Any moron can write whatever he/she wants and its ALWAYS pro status quo. I HAVE LIVED in socialist countries so I probably know more about it then you. I have also lived in america.



gee wiz I wonder why steve jackson made a card of it. card 155 of illuminati deck!!

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posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 11:03 PM
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I remember reading an article about Google working to end the days of pesky Passwords. The article talked about Google partnering with Darpa to give us Fingerprint recognition on I-phones. Once I read the word Darpa a Red Flag popped. This was before the NSA spying scandal & I remember telling my brother that DARPA is very concerned that we struggle everyday with lost passwords, I was being Sarcastic of course. Anyway my brother said,.. So you think this is a Conspiracy to have everybody tracked physically, since they would be confirming location and Identity by just swiping their Lock Screen or Logging into Chrome ect.? He knew I believed it, but I was surprised he was even thinking it. eg. My brother think's MSNBC is Real news, & if he don't hear it on the News he doubts it's Real or Happening.



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 11:12 PM
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LOL.

Ok Obama, in that case, you shouldn't throw me in jail when I occasionally break the law. Because most of the time, I do the right thing! Sh#t... I'm trying man, give me a break!




posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 11:28 PM
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Obama is just the next terrible leader that has been placed upon us to bankrupt and enslave america. We've been dumb'ed down through our terrible education systems and all anybody seems to care about is what is on the TV, which unfortunately they control in all aspects.

Such a terrible state of things! It's funny, other countries are rioting by the millions for the crimes that our government could be convicted for in a court of law while we do nothing. But really what could we do with the amount of firepower and personnel we have armed against and trained to specifically take us down and places to store millions of us.

We need the people in our government(Congress,Senate,Judges,Military,Police personnel ,Treasurer, Cabinet members, you get the idea) to do what's right in there heart, for love and human life. It doesn't have to be evil all the way to the end. It seems they're wealthy enough to survive lavishly for 100's of years or in there secret underground bunkers when # gets real bad.

Good luck and be safe to all out there with our coming changes to the lifestyles we've been accustomed to.



posted on Jul, 9 2013 @ 11:55 PM
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So, to translate this, what he's really saying is, "Disregard all the times I have lied to you, and ignored the law, and taken away your rights, and ruined the economy, and snubbed our allies, and funded our enemies. Really, I am doing everything right. Don't you trust me?"

The sick thing is, a lot of people will believe him.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 02:26 AM
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Redistribution of income is still a socialist agenda and activity regardless of whether whole industries are nationalized. Maxine Watters let the cat out of the bag that the liberals intend to nationalize the oil industry. This is Fabian Socialism, my friend, where they do everything in increments. I am sorry I have to keep saying this over and over and over on these threads, as I know many read my posts even if they hate me.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 02:29 AM
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Yep they even had the eye in the capstone watching over the whole earth as their logo and then they took it off their webpage for some reason.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 02:52 AM
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The ardent Obama supporters are either just plain blind or blissfully ignorant( the majority) or the vocal ones are the ones that are paid to be. I'm seeing that in many forums. You get the posters that bash the Tea Party and deride dissenters of the political status quo but they completely defend the government when it does anything ethically objectionable. And there are some on the right that do the same.
Maybe people will wake up and stop being used as pawns by the parties and the government, but probably not as long as most get a few handouts or a few get major payouts.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
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So, to translate this, what he's really saying is, "Disregard all the times I have lied to you, and ignored the law, and taken away your rights, and ruined the economy, and snubbed our allies, and funded our enemies. Really, I am doing everything right. Don't you trust me?"

The sick thing is, a lot of people will believe him.


In all fairness, the economy was wrecked already. While he hasn't been able to wave a magic wand and fix it, no president would have been able to. This was already a done deal and it was known when the collapse started that this would take more than a decade to even begin to tackle - and that's for countries without almost $17 trillion debt.

Everything else is spot on, he has further damaged the US around the world, he has extended the draconian measures started by Bush, he has increased drone killings, he has extended abuse of power and he has prosecuted and criminalized more whistle blowers than all previous US admins combined.

There's going to be more to come too, when those US corporations with foreign contracts and customer bases start to decline for lack of trust. Millions are expected to abandon Google and Apple over the coming years thanks to their abuse of private data. And lets also not forget that other nations are now also looking at creating competitors for those businesses too.

There's going to be a boycott of the US coming, and that will damage America even more. You can definitely thank Obama for that



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 05:00 AM
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Well, I can state my personal experience, and that of others I know. When Bush Jr. was in office, we had enough income. We could cover all the bills, splurge on little things, and even take small vacations. Under O, we can't do anything but squeak by, if that. Military pay, same bills, and nothing left. Groceries cost more, because of his policies. gas costs more, because of his policies, and he stated he WANTED it that way. Taxes are higher, not lower. Utilities are higher, as he stated he would make them. Many people I know lost jobs directly because of his actions. No, things weren't perfect, but they weren't this bad, either. He holds a lot of responsibility on a lot of the problems. The issues he started with, he's made worse. More aid to other nations, and even to ENEMIES, and terrorists, like the Muslim Brotherhood. Discussions of amnesty, which would totally destroy the country. A refusal to actually cut any needed spending, and deliberately cutting needed things, while leaving unneeded things untouched, to make cuts painful. I know Bush and his predecessors weren't saints, but they were better than him. This guy makes me long for Clinton, or heck, even Carter!

The anti-freedom stuff did indeed start under Bush, and he does hold some fault there. O, though as we both agree, has gone much farther. He is exactly what people feared when protesting the Patriot Act. I honestly think his actions are done to deliberately destroy the country. He stated he wanted "fundamental transformation", and he was mostly honest there. If something doesn't give, we are going under. People envisioned hostile invasions, but most didn't seem to realize that one was already happening, and that people were being brainwashed to accept it.

The debt issues really wouldn't be that hard to fix, either. All you need is a big red highligter, and a copy of the budget. Cross off ALL foreign aid, and demand real fair trade. Meaning, if they don't buy our products, we either don't buy theirs, or we add fees, so we don't go broke importing foreign junk. Measures to actually encourage business growth and industry would be another step. Then, on that budget, cross off a LOT of entitlement programs. Place real limits on welfare, with requirements that a person MUST show attempts to find work, and make drug testing mandatory. make the aid in the form of old-style food stamps, with sensible limits on what can be purchased. Other aid should be in the form of bill payments, NOT debit cards. That would end some of the abuse. Clearing out corrupt and uncaring workers would be another good point. On that note, clean house across the board, in every single department, eliminating a lot of useless government jobs. Example: in the driver's license department where we live, we discovered that the local clerks can't do ANYTHING about real issues. Literally, NOTHING. A suspended license, because a ticket payment wasn't sent in on time, could not be cleared locally (husband's, not mine). We actually had to drive to the main office in the state capital to fix this. Same paperwork, same details, but the locals couldn't co it. Why??? Someone is paid at a higher level to fix things that should be easily cleared in the computer age. There are surely tons of tax-paid positions that are not needed. The government wasn't meant to be a work force. Next off are all the pork barrel projects. No tax-paid politician vacations. Why should we pay for his vacation security? For that matter, cut the salaries of politicians, and most benefits. Let them depend on SS. That would be fixed fast! Next, cut any and ALL aid to illegals. They aren't immigrants. I have some friends that are, and are fine people. Calling illegals immigrants is an insult to legal immigrants. No Endowments to the Arts. No tax-paid TV or radio networks. No stupid studies on social issues. There is more we could add, but that alone should see us in the black in no time!



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 08:25 AM
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In all fairness, the economy was wrecked already


I don't mean to sound partisan, but the Democrats got control of Congress during Bush last two years and that was when the recession hit. There are major contributing factors like lil ol Barney Frank somehow overlooking the problems of Fannie and Freddie, the Dodd/Frank bill, and even Bill Clinton's forcing banks to lend and that part in toxic assets.
Sometimes we just have to look deeper than shallow appearances, but Dems were always good at creating appearances.
I will say though, we did have inflation all through the Bush years, and how could we not, since he spent as much money on welfare programs as any Democrat would, except Obama has topped even Bush.
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posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


Redistribution of income is still a socialist agenda and activity regardless of whether whole industries are nationalized. Maxine Watters let the cat out of the bag that the liberals intend to nationalize the oil industry. This is Fabian Socialism, my friend, where they do everything in increments. I am sorry I have to keep saying this over and over and over on these threads, as I know many read my posts even if they hate me.


Obviously they don't redistribute wealth from the bilderbergers to everyone else. Obviously the progressive scale starts very low and obviously the top income earners avoid paying what they should via various loopholes.
If you really want to call it progressive and spin it to make it sound fair then go ahead. You are not fooling the people who really know what they are talking about, just preaching nonsense to the choir.

And lets wait till they do nationalise the oil industry and hopefully nuclear energy as well, to call it anything remotely resembling socialism. Since I am a mild socialist YES I do get offended with people who like to slander/smear the entire left because they have such shallow arguements. Maybe you are a liberal though and pretending to be a conservative.

If people really did like obozos policies then Occupy would have never formed and thousands would not be in the streets demanding justice. Then have faux news(the epitomy of absolute hypocrisy) call these people dirty, lazy hippies.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
reply to post by neo96
 


So, to translate this, what he's really saying is, "Disregard all the times I have lied to you, and ignored the law, and taken away your rights, and ruined the economy, and snubbed our allies, and funded our enemies. Really, I am doing everything right. Don't you trust me?"

The sick thing is, a lot of people will believe him.


Only the koolaid drinking neo-liberals do.

Occupy hates his guts just as much, if not more so, than tea party does.
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posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 11:47 AM
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Wow, no love for that great man here, huh?

I think that was a wonderful speech. Obama is telling us that he is on our side. He is here by us, for us. All the supposed lies and these fabricated scandals are just mind tricks to get people to oppose a truly great president. The Republicans do not want to be remembered as the group who put in George W. Bush who almost single handedly destroyed this country only for it to be saved by the best and brightest the Democrats have put up yet.

To try and tarnish the legacy of Obama because you do not like Democrats, black people, or just believe the Republican hype is pretty darn low.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 12:13 PM
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Both bush and obama will be remembered as horrible presidents representing special interest groups and giving the middle finger to the average american. This is reality and it hurts!

Time for people to vote third party or at least be very careful in the primaries of D and R campaigns.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by ElPolloPlomero
Wow, no love for that great man here, huh?

I think that was a wonderful speech. Obama is telling us that he is on our side. He is here by us, for us. All the supposed lies and these fabricated scandals are just mind tricks to get people to oppose a truly great president. The Republicans do not want to be remembered as the group who put in George W. Bush who almost single handedly destroyed this country only for it to be saved by the best and brightest the Democrats have put up yet.

To try and tarnish the legacy of Obama because you do not like Democrats, black people, or just believe the Republican hype is pretty darn low.


NaaaH...........Nooooooo..............

Bush didn't wreck anything.

It was the Democrat controlled Committees in Congress for his last 2 years in office.

I wonder why THEY didn't do much for the average citizen ?

And Obama had his first 2 years with the same crowd (Nancy & Harry at the throttle)

They didn't do much for the average citizen either.

And Obama's 'legacy' will be simple.

I can just imagine what the "Obama Presidential Library" will look like....
maybe they can just rent some old burned out hot dog stand and use the dirty wadded up newspapers to fill the shelves



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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Both bush and obama will be remembered as horrible presidents representing special interest groups and giving the middle finger to the average american. This is reality and it hurts!

Time for people to vote third party or at least be very careful in the primaries of D and R campaigns.


The 'Third Parties' will get bought out too.

Just look at the Occupy & Tea Party infiltrations by imposters.

Anybody that gets any steam built up will get paid off to stop shoveling the coal.



posted on Jul, 10 2013 @ 12:41 PM
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Are you forgeting 9-11-2001 and which president allowed 3000 americans to die in one day? This is was worst than pearl harbor imo. Then to set up attacking two countries, pass DHS gestapo, TSA at the airports, etc.

Of course Obama practically gave away multiple trillions in fake stimulus packages to business in the hope of turning around the economy. Not only is the economy not recovering, but it has been downgraded from AAA to A credit and the high unemployment continues.

I honestly have no idea why you think bush was better than obama. The comparison is like saying who is worse, stalin or hitler. Is it better to fail with 59 on a test or better to fail with a 30? Is it better to walk 50 miles or crawl on your knees 5 miles? Futile and ridiculous. We can and should do much better!



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