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(CNN) - Like many congregations, The Mennonite Worker Community of Minneapolis held a worship service and picnic this Fourth of July - but instead of extolling the virtues of America, they called attention to its faults.
The annual service is “a sort of anti-patriotic holiday,” says Mark Van Steenwyk, whose community focuses on simplicity, prayer and peacemaking. Singing “The Star-Spangled Banner” is out. Reflecting on the contradictions between the gospel and the American Dream are in.
“We thank you, O God, for the good things we enjoy in our lives," reads a prayer the Mennonite community recites each year, "but lament that our abundance has brought destitution to sisters and brothers throughout the Earth.”
Anti-patriots like Van Steenwyk say their movement, which has grown more vocal in recent years, is simply an honest way to read – and live out – Jesus' teachings on nonviolence. But it's hard to look at groups like The Mennonite Community and not see an implicit criticism of God-and-country cheerleading by mainstream Christians and ripples of centuries-old church-state tensions.
Some anti-patriots come from pacifist Anabaptist traditions, such as the Mennonite Church. Others come from evangelical backgrounds but have rejected their counterparts' often unreserved patriotism and embraced liberal-leaning communities like Red Letter Christians and JesusRadicals.com.
They may differ on theological details, but they hold at least one belief in common: You cannot serve both God and country.
“Everyone knows that other folks think like them, but it isn’t like there are a lot of congregations that self-identify as being nonpatriotic.”
That’s especially true for evangelicals, who lead the country in patriotic fervor.
(CNN) – There’s a misconception among many faithful folks that religious convictions, by their very nature, are set in stone.
People who change their minds are called flip-floppers or backsliders, accused of capitulating to culture and “conforming to the world.”
...A person of conviction is not one who is unyielding to change, but one whose beliefs evolve based on new information, new movements of the Spirit, new biblical insights and, yes, new friends.
...I’ve changed my mind about a lot of things—the age of the Earth, the reality of climate change, the value of women in church leadership, the equal failings of both the Republican and Democratic platforms to embody the teachings of Jesus.
Like a lot of evangelicals, I grew up in a religious environment that vilified LGBT people.
I remember attending a Christian conference in which liberals were derisively referred to as FOGS (friends-of-gays). I laughed along with the speaker, albeit nervously, dismissing the voice in my head reminding me that Jesus was ridiculed for his choice of friends, too.
Is war and violence ever justified? I won't bore you with the arguments you've heard before, but from what I've seen of your comments in some religious threads, you'd fight like a maniac if anyone tried to invade the US and impose Sharia.
I understand that delivering a child is really painful, and pain is bad, but it is necessary to achieve a good end, the new life.
Yep! And those who 'declare it' should be the ones on the FRONT LINES, not our youths!!
War is declared by those who sit in the seats of power. Not by the average citizen.
My point being, support for war is garnered by our own government using propaganda and deception. How many times have we, the American people found out later, we were deceived into supporting a war, or an action, that was unjust, and uncalled for?
Making those among us who supported that war or action, complicit.
I have said this before, and I'll say it again. The American people MUST withdraw their support for this government. Every time we vote, pay taxes, allow another piece of legislation to pass unchallenged, or sit back as a people, and allow our servants in Washed up DC to do as they damn well please, without regard for the American public, we give them our support.
How in the world do we draw the line?
And what basis can we use to make our decisions? The government will always have far more information than we will.
I know! RIGHT?!!! So - what do we do? I can sit here and bitch and moan and make provocative threads all day long, but it doesn't seem to be changing much from what I can tell......... or, maybe it's just like growing a plant from seed. You have to wait. Like with asparagus. THREE YEARS before you get 'produce' out of it.
The time will come.
They don't need the support of the people prior to declaring war. As everyone is pointing out, the government doesn't represent the people. (I disagree to some small extent, but that's another issue.)
My point being, support for war is garnered by our own government using propaganda and deception.
While this is a noble sentiment with more than a whiff of "to the Barricades" from the French Revolution, and the Worker's Revolution of the Communist Party, as wildtimes points out it is not a practical blueprint for a course of action. What, overthrow the government? Using force to prevent the use of force? Norh Korea is already a "People's Republic," I'm not looking to set one up here.
I have said this before, and I'll say it again. The American people MUST withdraw their support for this government. Every time we vote, pay taxes, allow another piece of legislation to pass unchallenged, or sit back as a people, and allow our servants in Washed up DC to do as they damn well please, without regard for the American public, we give them our support.
Ah, but what if you weren't powerless? What if you could repel an attack on your neighbor's home, or your town, or your country, or any attack in the world on a friend or innocent party? You would rightly use force to defend your loved ones, would you also to defend your neighbor's loved ones?
As for drawing the line.....I don't know.
I draw the line at the boundaries of my property, or an assault on my loved ones.
Other than that, I feel pretty powerless.
While this is a noble sentiment with more than a whiff of "to the Barricades" from the French Revolution, and the Worker's Revolution of the Communist Party, as wildtimes points out it is not a practical blueprint for a course of action. What, overthrow the government? Using force to prevent the use of force? Norh Korea is already a "People's Republic," I'm not looking to set one up here.
You're a consummate flatter, you silver tongued devil you. Recheck my mini-profile. It says "just a guy" for a reason. But thanks, anyway.
Charles, I always look forward to reading your posts. You are indeed a thinking man.
I'd like to hear ATS's thoughts about this movement. Dirty hippies? Pacifist traitors? Conscientious objecters who should be thrown out of the country?
As I sat watching and listening, it really did seem like I was in a war-zone (or, according to my veteran husband, about 10 miles away from an actual war-zone based on decibel level). I was reminded of the "Star Spangled Banner", and this, naturally, made me think about what is going on in Syria and the troubled Middle-East right now.
I don't think "war" or "military coups" are anything to be celebrated, really. Violence is BAD, and destruction of people and places and whole countries is equally BAD.