Reports: 777 crash lands at San Francisco

I'm glad there aren't many casualties!

reply to post by Zaphod58


Assuming people listen to the safety instructions, they tell you not to take your carry-on bags. Of course, who listens!

I don't fault the guy for taking the cellphone photo. If I walked away from a crash and my cellphone did too, you can be sure I'd take a shot of the crash.

reply to post by gariac


I would too. As far as that goes, take as many pics as you want. One woman had a bag as long as her leg, and people had backpacks on. THAT I have problems with. If I'm on a plane that just crashed, and you're getting your bags down, I'm mowing your ass downWith all the flying I've done I have those briefings memorized. The only thing that changes are the number of exits.

Originally posted by Phoenix267
reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter

 

It looks like an accidental fire that happened inside? I just found out about this terrible news. What's the informaition on this topic?

I dont get it how could an accidental fire inside burst through like this and caused it?

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Some one made a bad visual approach and continued it too long before trying to correct it . I have had the bottom fall out on short approach several times in my SEL airplane but that big thing would take time to recover and build speed . A wind shear at the end of a runway will drop you like a rock as your air speed decreases when your head wind turns to a tail wind .

Such a shame that two people are dead and a beautiful airliner has been destroyed (ruining the 777s almost perfect safety record).

Originally posted by Zaphod58
I would too. As far as that goes, take as many pics as you want. One woman had a bag as long as her leg, and people had backpacks on.

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I'm amazed that only two had died and that everyone is accounted for. Mechanical failure or error it was observed to "not look right" as it made its approach. There's the Bay Trail nearby and some quotes were of listing or dragging the tail end. There are strong headwinds that come down from the San Bruno Mountains. It's way too early to speculate, but here's the story from the San Francisco Chronicle;

www.sfgate.com...-1

Man how surreal would it be to have survived something like this. A plane accident is just one of those things that you think to yourself "that would never happen to me" or "I have a better chance of being struck by lightning than dying on an aircraft." These things are totally safe, and then when youre almost landed safe and sound BAM, upside down, tail gone, no lights, fire screaming, total chaos. I'm as surprised as everyone else is by the extremely low fatality count! Ill be keeping my ears open to try and hear more news about this one!

Fox radio news is attributing a flight tracking website that the plane was coming in too low. I mentioned this earlier, but I suppose I might was well post it. Argh, I hate cleaning up external text.

EDT Latitude Longitude Course Direct KTS MPH feet Rate Location/Type

02:24PM 37.5481 -122.2070 298° West 203 234 3,400 -1,200 Descending FlightAware

02:25PM 37.5548 -122.2230 298° West 195 224 3,100 -1,140 Descending FlightAware

02:25PM 37.5614 -122.2390 297° West 190 219 2,800 -1,500 Descending FlightAware

02:25PM 37.5669 -122.2520 298° West 187 215 2,400 -1,320 Descending FlightAware

02:25PM 37.5730 -122.2660 299° West 187 215 2,200 -1,080 Descending FlightAware

02:26PM 37.5785 -122.2790 298° West 186 214 1,900 -1,020 Descending FlightAware

02:26PM 37.5847 -122.2940 298° West 178 205 1,700 -1,020 Descending FlightAware

02:26PM 37.5900 -122.3070 297° West 169 194 1,400 -1,380 Descending FlightAware

02:27PM 37.5988 -122.3270 299° West 145 167 800 -1,380 Descending FlightAware

02:27PM 37.6016 -122.3340 297° West 141 162 600 -1,320 Descending FlightAware

02:27PM 37.6045 -122.3410 298° West 134 154 400 -900 Descending FlightAware

02:27PM 37.6073 -122.3480 297° West 123 142 300 -840 Descending FlightAware

02:27PM 37.6103 -122.3550 298° West 109 125 100 -120 Descending FlightAware

02:28PM 37.6170 -122.3740 294° West 85 98 200 120 Climbing FlightAware

777 flight data

Vat 138-145 knots Landing

If this is correct, the plane was too slow at the first 2:27PM notation. But who knows how accurate flightaware really is.

I received a news alert on my phone when this happened, with occasional very short updates about the 2 people killed and the rest injured, but I've been at work for the past 19 hours.

After looking at this thread, and seeing some of the videos and such, I can only imagine that the MSN was excited for this, simply because they could plaster it all freaking day and run it into the ground, with constant live feeds, updates, and commetary that people just lap up. And this is why I don't watch 24 hr news anymore.

Disgusting, really, how the MSM cover things.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


Once the cabin starts on fire, it's really hard to put out. It tends to flash over quickly, and very intensely. They did some experiments that showed just how dangerous a cabin fire could be, and it was scary.

It was close for some on the plane.

There were some trapped by jammed seat belts and one of the crew was trapped by a slide that opened inside the plane.

The flight crew had to get firefighters outside the plane to pass them cutters for the seat belts and to punch holes in the slide that opened inside he plane.

There was no knives on the plane due to TSA regulation not even ones locked up for the crew to use in emergencies.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Probably the main reason for the crash:

ILS not used in SFO airport from june to august 2013 due to maintanance.
All approaches have to be manual approach routine.

Details:

San Francisco CA [SFO]: June NOTAM #5: Navigation ILS runway 28L glide path out of service effective from June 01st, 2013 at 06:00 AM PST (1306011400) - August 22nd, 2013 at 03:59 PM PST) SFO 06/004 NAV ILS RWY 28R GP U/S. 01 JUN 14:00 2013 UNTIL 22 AUG 23:59 2013. CREATED: 01 JUN 13:40 2013 SFO 06/005 NAV ILS RWY 28L GP U/S. 01 JUN 14:00 2013 UNTIL 22 AUG 23:59 2013. CREATED: 01 JUN 13:40 20

SFO is a dangerous airport right now and during these 3 months.

reply to post by Zaphod58

The header tank for the APU is also back there.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by gariac

 

If I'm on a plane that just crashed, and you're getting your bags down, I'm mowing your ass down

I'm right there with you on that.
The mentality of some is astounding in situations like this. Some attribute it to shock, others attribute it to being unaware of the danger.

I've seen it in standard fire evacuations. I worked security for many years and had to evacuate more than one building due to fire. I've seen people waiting for lifts, people getting their bags and coats, even one I heard on the phone at her desk asking the caller to speak up because the fire alarm was going off! I pulled her headset out of the phone and told her to GTFO.

It's shocking to me, especially since events like 9/11, when so many died just because they sat there while it was happening around them and didn't act. How many of those thousands of people died simply because they thought it was a false alarm or they were safe?

You can see the same thing in other risks too. I remember the Love Parade tragedy where 21 people were crushed to death, all because the people further back in the crowd didn't work out what was happening in front of them. They just kept on pushing, even though they could clearly see hundreds of people climbing over others, climbing up the walls, being pulled out by those above.

Never underestimate the stupidity of people, or the power of denial. Too many people think they're immortal.

Originally posted by piequal3because14
reply to post by aLLeKs

 

so apparently the COO of facebook sheryl sandberg cancelled the flight... I feel conspiracy theories incoming

Hmm only this time,

because I don't like Facebook!

This discussion has been actually been pretty respectful and rational so far-contrary to what some of the skeptics say, we don't see a conspiracy in everything or try to exploit every tragedy for our own paranoia and ghoulishness. I'm sure the fringe people will show up and ruin it, though.

Oh dear, San Francisco?

I bet Westboro Baptist will be at these 2 folks' funerals.

The two victims were Chinese girls headed to camp. Sad.

The two Chinese victims of the Asiana Flight 214 crash in San Francisco were identified Sunday as teenage schoolgirls in eastern China, headed to the USA for a two-week summer camp.

At least 70 Chinese students and teachers were on the plane heading to summer camps, according to education authorities in China.

www.usatoday.com...

The first Triple Seven is still in service, and the type has flown five million flights, and 18 million flight hours since 1995, when it entered service. These are the first fatalities recorded on the type, and only the second accident resulting in a hull loss. That is an astounding record for any aircraft.