The Mystery of Baptizing

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posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:01 PM
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I was baptized at age 12, for me it was publically acknowledging my belief in Christ, since that time, he has visited me and spoken to me 3 different times.. He is really real, he is really God's son, and he has been a constant companion to my heart and soul. He is for all of us on planet earth, never against us.




posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by piequal3because14
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That is blood that must be shed first, menses, before the baptism. The old dies and is washed clean through blood. It's all symbolic for biological rebirth.
I don't see your words windword because your words cannot be seen by God.



Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by piequal3because14
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That is blood that must be shed first, menses, before the baptism. The old dies and is washed clean through blood. It's all symbolic for biological rebirth.
I don't see your words windword because your words cannot be seen by God.



Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.


LOL windward... you know whats funny about his post to you was? If he was telling the truth he woul dnot had posted a reply. SO obvious lie right there. The Thief on the cross that died along side of Jesus was not baptized correct? All he did was believe Jesus and his words. Baptism is a show of faith and of admitting you are not perfect and a sinner who needs to be forgiven. Im not going to respond to the OP though because he just dont get it.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 06:22 PM
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I have three sons, and I am a Christian. My extended family is Irish Catholic and I left that church due to researching the differences between the teachings of the Catechism and the Bible itself (I'll probably never get that one from around my neck with my Grandmother), but they are also of the incorrect belief that unbaptized children automatically go to hell if they should pass away.

My sons were never baptized, as I feel that baptism is a ritual that someone who is mature enough to make the conscious choice to follow Christ should take part in, not something to have as an infant while two grown adults (not the parents, but the 'God-Parents') speak for the child.

The actual act of baptism is a symbolic one to publicly display your choice to follow Christ, the real baptism is that of the Spirit, which is the only one that really counts.
edit on 7/6/2013 by ProfessorChaos because: typo



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 06:42 PM
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Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.




I with my heart can feel,because to feel is to see and hear,because that feeling is beyond your understanding.

You with your mind because you don't have a soul....to feel.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 06:45 PM
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OL windward... you know whats funny about his post to you was? If he was telling the truth he woul dnot had posted a reply. SO obvious lie right there.
The Devil is making his nest everywhere even in this thread,but I've won battles ten times harder than this.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 06:46 PM
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Yeah. I was hoping someone would see the humor in Pieq's response. lol

Thing is, another member and I were discussing "baptism" in this thread Pre-existence, Reincarnation & Christianity, and my mind was blown. There are compelling similarities between the concept of being cleansed by blood, the symbolism of baptism, and physical reincarnation / resurrection.

I wanted to do a thread on those ideas, myself. But just this morning, when I looked for outside support through online links, all I found was porn. True story.




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posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 06:51 PM
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you don't have a soul


Correct! I AM a soul!



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 07:06 PM
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Correct! I AM a soul!
You are but is full of emptiness as has been seen through the entire staging of ATS.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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I am constantly empty yet continually full. Like a river that is flowing, I'm never the same, as the water that passes through is always new and forever regenerated.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by windword
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I am constantly empty yet continually full. Like a river that is flowing, I'm never the same, as the water that passes through is always new and forever regenerated.
I have seen that in some of your threads,and I like you-not,I love ATS and I will never harm what I love,but you've done harm.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 07:32 PM
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What does't kill you, makes you stronger!



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 07:36 PM
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It's like the mistery of Marriage of which many do not know that they are protected by the rings they wear at their fingers.


Uh, what? That's idolatry. The ring doesn't protect you from anything, I've had sex with enough married women to debunk that.

No mystery to baptism. Baptism by water is symbolism for death, you go down in the water symbolizing being buried, and when you are raised up it symbolizes resurrection into your new body. It's a formality, like a declaration of your commitment and baptism by water does not save you, the blood of Christ is what saves you.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by windword
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What does't kill you, makes you stronger!
What you kill is becoming your responsibility by taking upon you everything good and bad from that kill.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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It's like the mistery of Marriage of which many do not know that they are protected by the rings they wear at their fingers.


Uh, what? That's idolatry. The ring doesn't protect you from anything, I've had sex with enough married women to debunk that.


LOL


No mystery to baptism. Baptism by water is symbolism for death, you go down in the water symbolizing being buried, and when you are raised up it symbolizes resurrection into your new body. It's a formality, like a declaration of your commitment and baptism by water does not save you, the blood of Christ is what saves you.


I have to, respectfully, disagree with you there. Jesus never taught about death and dying. He taught of rebirth and life. If baptism was a symbol of death and burial, dirt would be used, as the bible says, "Dust to dust".

The symbolism for rebirth is water, whether you believe in a spiritual rebirth or a physical rebirth, like I do in reincarnation. Jesus' message was one of rebirth and eternal life, not death, then life.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 07:45 PM
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Don't we "kill" our own nature when we are "reborn" in spirit.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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You obviously missed the part where coming out of the water symbolizes resurrection. Call if rebirth if you will, it's purely allegorical.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 07:52 PM
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Uh, what? That's idolatry. The ring doesn't protect you from anything, I've had sex with enough married women to debunk that.
It is not about that ,is about the sinuous road of life,but it is very hard for you to understand.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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You obviously missed the part where coming out of the water symbolizes resurrection.


Or rebirth.


Call if rebirth if you will,


Actually, I'll it call reincarnation.


it's purely allegorical.


Allegorical for something that was spiritual yet real enough to need a physical ritual to convey it.
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posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 08:00 PM
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Don't we "kill" our own nature when we are "reborn" in spirit.
Killing friends cannot make you stronger ,just soul less.





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