Nigeria school massacre: 41 children killed, some burned alive

Originally posted by johncarter

Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by neo96
Yeah it is a great sin to kill a child let alone 41 of them especially by religious fanatics.

There is absolutely no excuse for this.

edit on 6-7-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

It is not a sin to kill children, and there are many excuses to do it.

The Bible is full of them.

Thats quite a sociopathic sentiment, don´t you think?

But it is the truth.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 18 “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, 19 then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, 20 and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ 21 Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Exodus 21:17
“Whoever curses his father or his mother shall be put to death.

Why are people getting so upset it's just 41 kids. I can show where 400 kids were burned to death and not one peep out of the media. The only reason why this killing is getting any attention is because Islamic extremists did it. In today's world who is doing the killing is more important than who is being killed.

Originally posted by NotAnAspie

Originally posted by christafinias

Originally posted by Misbah
Islamists don't kill children, It doesn't matter what religion they belong to, It's a great sin for a Muslim to child an innocent child. Please stop spreading false reports on Muslims, the incident may have occurred, but there is no reason at all to say that it was "Islamists" who did it, because Muslims don't do such stuff. It doesn't matter where a Muslim lives, they don't kill children and it cannot be justified.

Spreading propaganda on Islam is not going to help you.

IMO: This attitude is where the problem starts.
Muslims are getting a bad name because 40% of you are becoming extremists, another 40% bury there
head in the sand or are in denial, while the other poor 20% are stuck in the middle!

There has been many report of children being killed or severely injured by Islamic extremist's, the poor girl shot in the head comes to mind.

We could just as easily blame the male gender, but we know that would be wrong, wouldn't we?

Every time I use this example I wonder if men on here get mad. I'm not trying offend men because I certainly am aware that many men will bravely stand up for what is right.... I'm just using world statistics as an example of how it's not good to stereotype. The statistics of violence across the globe are overwhelmingly male but no one is supporting extermination of the male gender so some people need to quit focusing on Stereotypes because it's not getting us anywhere.

Why didn't they just say a man in Nigeria killed a bunch of school children?

If he says it's because Allah told him to, then he either insane or a liar so leave Islam out of it.

I think it's kind of suspicious that they are ab;e to make this differentiation prior to being able to tell us anything else about what was really eating at this guy and caused him to bomb a school.

They don't leave it out because motivation matters.

The organisation in question has the stated goal of driving Christians from Nigeria in order to impose Sharia Law and an Islamic state.

Whether you believe Islam allows such things is irrelevant. They do. They believe they are doing gods work. That the written work contains passages that can be construed (with malign intent) to support such actions is the problem that moderate muslims should be pursuing.

reply to post by MidnightTide

Sure, and please keep on telling us that these are not Muslims, that is not a representation of extremism in Islam.

Yah, I call murder extreme. Unlike "us" though, I don't promote religion as the "cause". You fan the flames of hatred with your rhetoric. That is a vicious circle you know.

But then that is the plan. Makes it easier to kill them back?

reply to post by intrptr


It is the cause and you know it. If it wasn't for religion why would they yell ALLAH AKBAR when doing things like this? You are again just trying to deflect the issue.

I don't want to kill them, I simply want the west to stay the hell out of the middle east and other hotspots of Islamic extremism.

reply to post by MidnightTide

If it wasn't for religion why would they yell ALLAH AKBAR when doing things like this?

Don't be fooled by that. The western backed variety of thug insurgents yell that when ever they blow up their fellow man (while they record it).

These are not representative of the Muslim religion, they are masquerading as such so people in the west will think that. Doesn't it ever make you suspicious that is all they say over and over on Youtubes? You think that means they are Muslims? They're killers. So are we.

We're the reason they are there, we hired them, trained them and armed them.

By your logic, I guess that makes us "Islamist extremists" too.

reply to post by buster2010


I guess 41 slaughtered kids must be a yawn for you then. So what make you raise your eyebrow or even rage?
400 kids, 4 000....?

To think that people like you really exist is scary.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by christafinias

 

and this is the real head scratcher:

don't they realize that it is the extremists who are furthering the agenda of the elite -- not hampering it, but actually making it happen. these guys are gonna bring the ire of the entire planet down on the heads of all muslims and eventually, all religions.

in effect, they are helping the world become atheistic, socialist slaves. this is why socialist regimes are supporting them. it's a means to an end.

Absolutely indeed.

Though, imho, I'd put it that . . . the PTB are using Islam to shred the other religions . . . and then they will, at last, shred Islam--or probably more accurately, help the former tribal satanic moon-god cult that Islam originated from to morph more overtly into a more obvious direct worship of satan.

The ultimate NWO goal is clearly to worship satan as the NWO folks say in their own words . . .

twoday.net...


twga...

18. "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

And Lucifer LOVES the blood lust, the torture, the brutal killings, etc. etc. etc. it's his character, his nature, his addiction, his goal . . . to trash as many of God's favored creation as possible. Particularly the children.

Purportedly at the upper ranks of the NWO, one has to bugger and torture, literally sacrifice to satan little toddler boys in their initiation ceremony.

This is BEYOND SICK, folks.

This is not exclusive to Africa. Sadly.

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by Jakes51

 

Those rabid dogs as you call them are not religious. If they were, they wouldn't murder anyone. Why do you make that claim anyway? Because they shout God is great when they discharge a weapon on YouTube? Or because some "article" tells you they are "extreme"?

We bomb innocents from 20,000 feet and I guarantee you the weapons don't discriminate. They kill everyone. How extreme is that?

edit on 7-7-2013 by intrptr because: spelling

You are asking me to clarify why I called them rabid dogs? Allow me to reiterate, they are the void of any reasonable moral human conduct. Furthermore, they cannot be reasoned with or looked up in any rational light. A rabid dog cannot be made to be docile or be acquaintanted with people. Only one solution to dealing with rabid dogs. I don't need to tell you what it is. You already know.

Now, I used "rabid dogs," as a euphemism. That is how I view their behavior. With all do respect, get your head out of the clouds and come down to earth with the rest of us. These fanatics truly believe they are doing God's work, and it does not take a news article or a video to tell me otherwise. As for murder, it is always wrong! However, apparently they think it is justified as they yell out the name of the Almighty as they carry out unspeakable atrocities. To summarily slaughter the innocent is one of the most egregious things man can do to their fellow man.

As for dropping bombs from 20,000 and potentially harming children and civilians? That does not sit well with me either. Yet, you would like everyone to believe that those dropping the bombs are actively seeking out children to maim, mutilate, and murder? That is the furthest thing from the truth. The group in Nigeria actually sought out this school like wolves circling the sheep. They were slaughtered! It is plain as day. Take the blinders off, and look at things realistically.

reply to post by justwokeup

They don't leave it out because motivation matters.

The organisation in question has the stated goal of driving Christians from Nigeria in order to impose Sharia Law and an Islamic state.

Whether you believe Islam allows such things is irrelevant.

[color=CC9966]they do. They believe they are doing gods work. That the written work contains passages that can be construed (with malign intent) to support such actions is the problem that moderate muslims should be pursuing.

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

The founding documents also include exhortations to LIE about Islam's goals of extermination or assimilation of all other perspectives, religions, philosophies, governmental systems . . . ALL others . . . and to lie about anything else if it will further the cause of Islam and Sharia Law.

DENIAL is not a pretty thing in the hands of the Islamists most intent and vigorous about following the letter of their founding documents.

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reply to post by Jakes51

They killed this teenage boy in front of his parents, and further down in the article the mother pleaded with them to spare his life. Too no avail! Oh, but I thought Islamists don't kill children? Futhermore, the two atrocities are leveled against brothers and sisters of the faith. So, not so easy to turn a blind-eye to it as is the case when a victim is either a Christian or a Jew. The apologists should think long and hard about whom they are defending, because one day these rabid dogs may be busting down their door to burn them alive, chop off their head, or perform whatever medieval atrocity that floats their boat.

[ABSOLUTELY INDEED. WARNING, BRUTAL SATIRE FOLLOWS]

Now now . . . what's a little genocide among friends and co-religionists?

A little mayhem here.

Some egregious chaotic blood-lust ruthlessness there.

Some recreational outrageous murderous torture, rape, burning and flaying alive over there.

It's all for the children! They make such wonderfully shocking victims.

They provide such a fantastic orgasm of violence with their innocent faces and pitiful screams.

And their pretty red blood splatters so attractively. It really winds one's bodily juices up.

And what a thrill to kill a brother and sister with one slice of the long sword. Maybe I'll get 144 virgins for that one?

What a special thrill when the parents have to look on. Stereo screaming and wailing. What a worshipful sound.

[END OF BRUTAL SATIRE. Sorry. I don't have the stomach to continue it. I realize it's a pitifully poor, anemic and weak example compared to the stark brutality of the true reality but it's the best I can manage this Sonday.]

reply to post by NuclearPaul


NO. That is [color=6699FF]not true.

Even with the Cananite tribes God said to exterminate men women and children at one very limited period of Jewish history, there was a reason.

EVERY ONE OF THOSE TRIBES had been thoroughly polluted with fallen angel DNA. Those tribes already worshiped satan and sacrificed THEIR OWN CHILDREN to satan in brutal rituals.

God did not want one hint of such polluted DNA and such practices to remain as a hazard to Israel and to the world as a whole.

Now the founding docs of Islam--they are much MORE ACCURATELY "FULL" of such bloodlust and ruthless conquest oriented mayhem. Islam was concocted from the tribal satanic moon cult it grew out of--PRIMARILY for CONQUEST purposes. That's also in the authentic history.

Distorting the Biblical record may suit Islam. It doesn't suit truth or reality.

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reply to post by Jakes51

Now, I used "rabid dogs," as a euphemism.

Sure you did.

That is how I view their behavior.

Dehumanizing them makes it easier to justify killing them when the time comes. After all, Muslims are just "rabid dogs", right?

Labeling anyone "extreme" is also another way of bringing down their humanity. War is extreme. If we wage it in foreign lands it is guaranteed to make more 'extremists'. But you'll say that their resulting behavior is because of their religion. Zimmerman shot and killed someone in cold blood.. Do we blame that he is from a Christian country? Was it because he was "Republican" or an "Extreme Protestant"?

The labels are ridiculous but serve the purpose of demonizing a culture or whole population, even though the whole population is not "Muslim".

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

The same can be said of the religion of catholics/christian. The whole passover story, God killed every firstborn kid that didn't paint the blood of a lamb on their front door. God never gave a # about casualties, kill everyone that helped make a gold idol of a goat, etc etc. Go ahead and try to think whatever religion you are part of is above genocide. More than likely you are full of it an blinded by BS that is spouted in the area you live in. Most christians here think I am a liar when tell them about the genocide their parents took part in only a generation ago.

Did you read this line?:

And no, it isn't the only religion spread through violence.

Though I am Christian I can't deny the wrongs done in his name. The entire Western hemisphere was brutalized in the name of Christ as all the indigenous people were converted at the point of a sword or died defending their way of life.
What is done in name of a religion is not the message he taught. Christ died rather than injure another. That is the example I try to follow. I may well be full of it but i don't proselytize anyone and find myself annoyed by those who do.
God is far too personal a concept for anyone to try to force on another. Some will feel they found it others won't but we each come to understanding of the world in our own way and by our own experiences.
In the end what it means to me is that life and death have meaning. We aren't aimlessly wandering around life but share a part in a greater whole that is divine in nature. To me that is peace, to know we all have a place in this world and any that might follow.
cheers,
ATA

Btw: Thanks for your reply TKDRL. Often those who challenge us and our views help us to better understand ourselves and what we believe. We might be on opposite sides of the circle but it's still the same circle.

reply to post by johncarter

I guess 41 slaughtered kids must be a yawn for you then. So what make you raise your eyebrow or even rage?
400 kids, 4 000....?

To think that people like you really exist is scary.

How do you think people die from our ordnance? They are blasted by concussion, punctured by shrapnel and burned by the heat of the explosion.

Focusing on one school house is what you are doing. Thats scary. Because your solution is to bomb everyone around there. Hopefully you'll hit someone responsible. But if not who cares about collateral damage in "non combatants"? Whats next, a No fly zone?

See how this incident is painted. In the school house its all about, "The Children".

When we bomb a whole village, its about (ahem) "collateral damage".

Case in point. How did this village die?



You guys don't make a fuss about that because it was a "military target".

reply to post by intrptr


Where does comparison to an Allied attack have any relevance of any kind, whatsoever?

Are we defining our levels of morality and standards by what the enemy considers moral? Are they adjusting their morality and standards to what we consider moral? If not, comparison is a cheap place to hide from the truth of extremism and moral bankruptcy. Perhaps our side needs serious house cleaning?.....while their side does this kind of targeting BY design and AS THE INTENT....not by a sometimes near criminal disregard of the fact it may happen 'anyway' by collateral damage.

The difference is evil vs. criminal negligence and unthinkable indifference. Evil is still worse, IMO. By far.

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by Jakes51

 

Now, I used "rabid dogs," as a euphemism.

Sure you did.

That is how I view their behavior.

Dehumanizing them makes it easier to justify killing them when the time comes. After all, Muslims are just "rabid dogs", right?

Labeling anyone "extreme" is also another way of bringing down their humanity. War is extreme. If we wage it in foreign lands it is guaranteed to make more 'extremists'. But you'll say that their resulting behavior is because of their religion. Zimmerman shot and killed someone in cold blood.. Do we blame that he is from a Christian country? Was it because he was "Republican" or an "Extreme Protestant"?

The labels are ridiculous but serve the purpose of demonizing a culture or whole population, even though the whole population is not "Muslim".

Yeah, okay! Thanks for taking things out of context. I did not condemn the entire religion of Islam. You did with your implications! The conclusions you have made from my remarks are your own. My condemnation goes to the men that massacred those kids in Nigeria. I thought you would have taken that away from my remarks? Apparently not?

Speaking of dehumanization? They did a bang up job dehumanizing themselves. A warm blooded human being does not take it upon themselves to summarily execute 41 kids. With regard to your other comments. I am not going off on tangents, or am I going to play semantics. You see things your way, and I see things my way. We can agree to disagree. Have a good day!

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Where does comparison to an Allied attack have any relevance of any kind, whatsoever?

Thats my point Wrabbit. People seek to blame religion for an atrocity but dismiss the bigger atrocities staring them in the face, just_like_you_just_did.

reply to post by intrptr


I'm not ignoring anything. I'm wondering why you are, by creatively pointing to other things which should divert or dilute our outrage about THIS atrocity that THIS thread is about.

When the next thread about the Apache gun camera footage (Or other Western wrong-doing) comes up ....should I immediately bring up this massacre of 41 children to justify or somehow bring relativism to what that chopper crew did on another continent, in another war?

Each incident deserves it's *OWN* look without contamination of other totally and entirely unrelated incidents being mixed in to muddy the reaction and feelings about the specific case being looked at.

The fact is, a growing trend seems to be to divert divert. Anything which is NOT Anti-US? Divert Divert Divert to something that *IS* Anti-US.

as_you_just_did_right_there.

reply to post by intrptr


You are just promoting my other posts, your RESISTANCE to admitting to this atrocity was done in the name of Islam is telling. No one is stating KILL ALL MUSLIMS, you are the only one who is saying that.