Originally posted by MsAphrodite
reply to post by Moshpet
What information did he give out? People keep repeating this, however there is no there, there. It's just a deflection away from the importance of
what he has revealed.
Classic tactic to focus on the source instead of the information.
That information is above my paygrade, and likely above the 99.9% of those who visit ATS.
But it's pretty damned obvious, when people high up in other nations after 'visiting' with Snowden; start screaming at the USA about spying on
them, that something was given to them. (Canada, China and the G-8 summits and other bits.)
So, while I don't know what was definitively leaked, I can clearly see the results of what he did leak. And those results are pretty damning. Which
means Snowden, gave them information that was classified, and in doing so committed a grave, treasonous act.
Could all those nations be making it up, maybe, but given how diplomacy normally works; if they had kept the information quiet and used it as leverage
in a trade agreement or something, it would have been more effective.
What is evident, was that information was released and it was 'blatantly shocking'; to the point those governments could not remain silent. (And
thus bargain with that information.)
So, it's clearly evident that Snowden, wasn't talking about 'domestic spying' in America, with those foreign nationals.
Let's break it down via Occam's Razor.
1- Snowden gives information of the USA spying on the G8 and on other countries, to foreign nationals.
2- The foreign nationals cry foul, loudly, in a public forum; but _not_ about the USA's "Domestic Spying".
2A- They clearly complained about Spying outside of the USA, not about what happened in the USA.
3- So that clearly shows that Snowden gave them information that they 'should not have access to'.
4- QED Snowden committed espionage and likely treason, at the same time.
The simplest answer is, "Snowden = spy = traitor."
Look, I understand people want to see just the 'good' Snowden committed.
But the facts are clear that he broke the law, and in a greater way than just 'leaking about the NSA's domestic spying.'
He leaked secret information and sensitive information, while in the USA. (A crime.)
He fled the state the leak was committed in. (Another crime, or compounding his crime.)
He then fled the country. (A greater crime.)
Then he shared information about the NSA's domestic spying, to foreign nationals. (Willing espionage aka a crime.)
Then he gave information to foreign nationals about the USA spying on them. (Willing espionage and treason, aka more crimes.)
That is hardly the actions of a hero.