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posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
So yes they can take money from your bank account but only after a lengthy process in which you refuse to cooperate. I don't think this is an aspect of Obamcare that anyone should be focusing on.


Why should you not focus on a bill that requires you to purchase services and then can reach into your pocket to take your money if you don't?

Seems like that's the FIRST thing that should be focused on.




posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 01:15 PM
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Well, this is what I know for a fact. I have rental property and an older lady I rent to had a hip replacement last year and a knee replacement this year, earlier. The doc said her other knee needed replaced as well and would do it after the first knee operation healed....which was paid for by their medicare/medicade with no hassles.

So, she goes to FL to have the second operation, has two weeks of therapy there while she stays with friends. During that time the therapist stops coming by and they have to call to see why.

It turns out that a pencil pusher decided that she didn't need the surgery and it wasn't going to be paid, and my tenants would have to foot the bill of around 19,000.00.

When the husband said that he was going to appeal it, they (whoever) froze ALL of his bank accounts AND his military pension, social security and retirement...for both husband and wife.

They were informed that it was a 3-6 month process for appeal and their accounts will be frozen until then!

Obviously not good, and a load of crap, especially when they paid with no questions just a few months prior.

That's all I know, so think about this going forward...Call and get confirmation in writing that something will be covered before you go and do it, even if they have previously covered it recently

I certianly didn't know "they" had the right to freeze all monetary transactions at this point. If they can do this so easily now, how much more so when all of our banking and info is reduced down to an electronic chip...easy just to turn it off when you don't comply with something they don't like.

There ya go!



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 01:18 PM
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That is a fact. If you don't have insurance by the end of this year you will be penelized $900-1250usd for not having insurance. This I heard directly from several tax agents.


I was told $4600 by my tax preparer.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 01:19 PM
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Snopes debunked the wrong bill. As i stated in my prior post on this thread, in response to benevolent heretic. They debunk H.R. 3200 as opposed to HR 3590.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 01:29 PM
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I am beginning to become concerned about the citizens, of this Country, not the Country, anymore the country, its to late for her.. I believe they will be able to do more then just tap, into your bank account, put a lean on property, so on and so forth. Obama care is Socialism, nuff said, its not even molded properly if the Government was really looking for a way to provide health insurance to all its citizens in a way that it would work, and NOT penalize and throw its citizens in JAILS or concentration camps they would have molded the system from Germany, or other countries that have high taxes and free health insurance for its citizens. Yet USA, meets behind closed doors with health independent health insurance companies that lobby and bribe these weak minded senators with whatever sin you can imagine, lust money, whatever to motivate tyranny across the land.. So now years later we have citizens asking ATS, a Internet message board about what the hell is going on in there country.


I guess no one is paying attention in the present, the past current events with the NSA, the corruption in the IRS, the censorship in the American media, and the constant spending of money we do not have, seem to not even get the citizens of this country to raise an eyebrow.

Of course we have people asking what it is we are to do, well its not that damn hard, call your congressman, senator etc, and demand impeachment for one, and demand change, do something, go out in the streets with signs demanding change... I am astonished NO one, and nothing is being reported about the NSA, the United states government just ignoring the constitution, and doing whatever they want to, with NO repercussions..

IF WE do not start doing something NOW... 5-10 years from now I assure you Biometrics technology will give them even more control, and make tyranny even easier...

Yet I just do not see the people do anything about this at all.. A handful of people cannot change it either, I am not going to change anything if I go out to my local city hall with a sign saying this stuff, just might get thrown in jail, we need organization, starting with calls and emails to our government officials letting them know we are pissed, with the violation of our rights, hell even call our Military officials reminding them of the oath they took to protect their citizens and protect the constitution... Yet I am afraid they are brainwashed the most...

We will not have bank accounts when Obama care comes to fruition, I am thinking if its the way they wanted it, we will have credits on a chip that will be enabled by biometrics technology...

I might sound paranoid, but the more I look at this agenda, the clearer it looks...
edit on 5-7-2013 by Bicent76 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
I don't think this is an aspect of Obamcare that anyone should be focusing on.



Really, and why would that be? Now, now we don't want to alarm the ignorant masses. Shut up and cooperate.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 01:50 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum



That is a fact. If you don't have insurance by the end of this year you will be penelized $900-1250usd for not having insurance. This I heard directly from several tax agents.


I was told $4600 by my tax preparer.



How little do you have to make to be exempt from the fine?

I may bring in $5,000 this year probably less and I collect food stamps. I'm pretty sure I'm exempt. If not I will kill any IRS/Health care agent who tries to take my boat for payment.

I wish I could find a legitimate job, but when you dont have a driver's license in Florida there goes about 95% of available work.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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Or steal other peoples identity and SS numbers in order to get into debt and leave the person affect to hang and fix the problem. I happen to me.




posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 02:02 PM
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The man in the white house like his "white predecessor" is screwing American hard working tax payers




posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte
They can't take it out of your tax return if you get nothing back. Increase your deductions to minimize your withholding amount. Or, go 1099 and pay only what you owe.



you are paying tax you do not need to. you voluntarily give away your
income. they know it. you don't. you can right now claim back and receive
ALL the tax you paid in the last three years and never had to pay income tax again!
get listening fools!

nwopodcast.com...
jim fetzer interviews pete hendrickson - cracking the tax code.

also, disown your strawman. now. www.yourstrawman.com



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by grandmakdw
Please don't reference other sources, only someone who has read the bill would know.


It's hard to reference the bill when what you're claiming is not in the bill... No, it's not true.

www.snopes.com...


I do not believe a word snopes writes!! Ever!! Their sources are not credible!
2nd



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 08:58 PM
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At this point, it is my understanding that the fines will be extracted (stolen) from your income tax refund, however, my boyfriend's boss told them it is possible that they could garnish wages and put a lien on property or your bank accounts. As someone else said, they do this already for child support, why not for this?

I stopped using the bank to keep my money in many years ago. I keep an account for the sole purpose of cashing checks and depositing small amounts when I need to buy something online. That's it! I keep the rest out of their hands.

I have mentioned many times that I'm working on obtaining under the table jobs, and working up a barter system. There are a hand full of us in my area that are currently looking at different options to save our lives, our money, and take our power back.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 09:39 PM
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*scribbles in notebook*
Reason number 746 ,to not ever go on obamacare .

Well that's exactly what the IRS does so...obamacare seems to just be a vehicle of the IRS ,to bilk the public for money .
If a hospital stay can rack up 20,000 in a few of days,and the fines for not going on obamacare is 2000$,its cheaper to pay that and be buried .
Given most hospitals murder 1000s yearly ,you're better off taking your chances with a witch doctor ,and not getting insurance.
Just hy two cents .I don't care who agrees or not. No way am I being forced to use a medical system I don't believe in .period



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 09:45 PM
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Once they start taking money directly....who is to stop them from taking money to bail out US Govt debt?



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 09:51 PM
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The IRS has the power to freeze all of your accounts and empty them if they deem the money you have should be theirs. It is done every day in regards to taxes owed. I personally know someone this happened to a couple months ago due to an oversight in filing forms. There is every reason to believe they will withdraw the money for themselves in regards to the Obamacare tax also. The power is already theirs, they do not need it to be in the bill for authority to do this. They do not even notify you. You find out when you show up at the bank or ATM to make a withdrawal.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 09:55 PM
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Understand also, that it matters not whether you get your insurance via private means or via the government exchanges. Either way you are under the ACA, all of it. It is now the law of the land. There is no avoiding it.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 10:04 PM
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OP dont put your money in a bank safety deposit box,
the gov now has the authority to go to any bank and inspect
and confiscate any thing they want that is a deposit box.
news was just released the other day.
I'd buy a safe and put it at home and hide it well.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 10:58 PM
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but i dno't have a bank account?? I use my mattress.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 11:25 PM
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Generally, the IRS won't seize you for something small. I'm just not looking forward to finding insurance for myself and my fiance who has a rare genetic disorder. More money down the tube. I don't mind paying for things we need, but we're still fighting a $600 charge with the insurance company we used to have.





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