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More Americans View Blacks As Racist Than Whites, Hispanics

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posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 05:59 PM
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reply to post by CSpitta
 


Let me give you your first star. (that and a $1.59 will get you a cup of Joe).

But you are spot on. There is a difference between prejudice and racism and many do not see between that line.

I realized (due to another member) that I am xenophobic. Not against race, religion, ideology, etc. But against those who...who...who...hell I can't put my finger on it.

But then again, I also hate the word phobia as it means fear, and I fear no one. However I do fear falling to my death, or being burned alive, etc.

Thank you for doing the research that I have missed, and reminded me again to have faith in my fellow.


Welcome to ATS by the way. Ithink that you'll be quite the contributer to the varied discussions around here.




posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by Visitor2012
 



an·ni·ver·sa·ry /ˌanəˈvərsərē/ Noun The date on which an event took place in a previous year. The date on which a country or other institution was founded in a previous year.



hol·i·day /ˈhäliˌdā/ Noun A day of festivity or recreation when no work is done. Verb Spend a holiday in a specified place: "he is holidaying in Italy".

i am not angry either. i understand that certain races, one of which i descended from, were not given the same rights when the declaration of independence was first created.

what i celebrate is that today i am free, as are others. i celebrate that the truths in the DoI have been fully realized. i don't cling to wrongs of the past committed by the dead.

the absolute worst thing anyone could do is say "hey, remember that time over a hundred years ago when people of your skin color mistreated people of my skin color? well it's my turn now."

at some point, the injured party must say "it's over and done. let's move forward and not make the same mistakes" and i think chris is a fool for taking dead issues in the past and bringing them into the present.


No one is talking about grievances or insult and injury. Just stating the meaning of Independence Day which, unlike your definition of a holiday is this:

"Independence Day, commonly known as the Fourth of July, is a federal holiday in the United States commemorating the adoption of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776, declaring independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain"

If you like the day off and the fire crackers fine, and if you think the day has significance for white people , fine. But it also had a different type of significance to tens of millions of black people and countless Indians.

Like you said, that was then, this is now.
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posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by suz62


right.....this is the mindset most people have towards blacks today....ive come to the conclusion that we will never get pass this race problem until an alien invasion or something wild happens to the human race and we are forced to work together...until then...blacks are just whining....nothing to see here

No one EVER, NEVER tells the Jews to "forget their past" but everyone and their uncle want the blacks to "stop whining and to just forget"?

SMH



I think that is the point, don't you? But then again, I'm not in Jaella's head so i really don't know his/her point. It can be taken both ways.


edit on 5-7-2013 by TDawgRex because: Just a ETA. Sue me...I'm a Dawg with no opposing thumbs.

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posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 06:11 PM
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The point is I have a painful history too but I don't whine about it and I don't try to squeeze mileage out of it decade after decade.

You know who doesn't whine? Native Americans. They tell it like it is if you ask but they don't walk around with their pants around their ankles snivelling.
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posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by suz62
reply to post by TDawgRex
 


The point is I have a painful history too but I don't whine about it and I don't try to squeeze mileage out of it decade after decade.

You know who doesn't whine? Native Americans. They tell it like it is if you ask but they don't walk around with their pants around their ankles snivelling.
edit on 7/5/2013 by suz62 because: (no reason given)


off topic but in all honesty..Jews are considered white ...lets keep it 100...ive been called "n word" by Jews as well...Jews know their history many black Americans don't...Jews never "whine" because no one tells them to "just forget the past. move on"

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posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 06:34 PM
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Here I got one for ya

.I lived in Portland Ore. in 89-92. There was a man named Mel Solomon that lived in the apartment complex I lived in. He was with a band called Mel Solomon and the nightlighters.They got the number 1 new blues band for the west coast in 91 and 92. They were really good. I got to be good friends with Mel. I used to go over to his house and play a card game called tonk. It was a good card game.

I guess I should give a little more back ground on Mel. Mel was a 65 year old black man. He was also one of the coolest people I have ever met.

The point is Mel absolutely refused to play in a tavern where the blacks hang out because he said that they were to racist. He said that all you ever heard was 'n-word' this and 'n-word' that, or honkey cracker. He would only play in white bars because he didn't hear the same kind of crap in them.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by suz62
reply to post by TDawgRex
 



You know who doesn't whine? Native Americans. They tell it like it is if you ask but they don't walk around with their pants around their ankles snivelling.
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yea you know nothing about native Americans then....right now we are battling changing the Redskins name to the Redtails because of Native American "whining"

but look, lets just discuss WHY people see blacks as "more racist" because as a black man i do agree that blacks are more racially aware
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posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by asher
White people claim to know so much about racisim. Even though they've never really been subjected to it.


that HAS to BE the MOST -----> IGNORANT RACIST



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 07:45 PM
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Most likely nothing.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by Baddguy

yea you know nothing about native Americans then....right now we are battling changing the Redskins name to the Redtails because of Native American "whining"



I lived for some time next to a Reservation. I never heard of a Native American "whine" about racism. They usually just beat that individuals @$$.

One of the phrases I used to hear at the time was locals refering to Native Americans as a "War Hoop". That ALWAYS got my dander up.

The funny thing is though, that most of the people that slandered the Indians are now working for them at the Casino. And if I bring up their past remarks, they always reply that they were young and dumb. I love the irony.

edit on 5-7-2013 by TDawgRex because: I guess its time to sign off. getting tired. Fingers aren't working like they're supposed too. Or is that the brain I mean?



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 08:12 PM
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How far back can the black side of your family trace there history? If its less than 500 years then my point is proven. Remember I'm speaking about the race as a whole.
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posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by Baddguy

off topic but in all honesty..Jews are considered white ..


Only by blacks for some reason. Whenever jews do some crap, whites get blamed for it. Jews are ethnic Khazars and more racist then anyone on the planet, in fact they coined the term.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 08:49 PM
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My great, great grandmother was stolen from her tribe by my great, great (yeah, he must have been really great) grandfather. That's only about 125 years ago.

Your point?

But, I'm "white" and don't know what racism is because it's never happened to my family right?

BTW....did I ever tell you that I was told by my family not to mention that I was American Indian even in the 70's......you know because of the KKK in my home town and all.

But, us "white" folks never experienced racism right?



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by CSpitta
What does the above have to do with RACISM??? Are your black friends denying you basic rights? Is not saying the N word freely, infringing upon your freedom?

Please help me understand this white plight & can someone have the courage to address WHY Anglos desire to use the N-word so badly?

Love & Light,
Inferior Me...


Well, let me ask you this. Can a white woman participate in a Black Miss America pageant? Can a business owned by white people be listed in a Black Business directory? Can a white person be hired by a company that is REQUIRED to have a percentage of blacks and that quota has not been met? Has a black owned company ever been forced to hire a certain percentage of whites in upper management?

There is NO such thing as reverse discrimination. It's JUST plain old discrimination without any qualifiers. If discrimination is BAD, then it is BAD on all counts.

And as for the N word, no I don't believe whites WANT to use it at all. We just don't understand how it can ONLY be bad if whites use it, but perfectly OK for blacks to do so. "Reverse" discrimination vocabulary? If blacks want this act to be cleaned up, then clean up your half of it.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 03:24 AM
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1,000 people took that survey. Do you think that they asked 333 white americans, 333 black americans, 333 hispanics? Better yet, was the survey a true reflection of demographics? I didn't see any mention of Asian-Americans nor any of the tribes of native americans. Just a selected slice.

Either way, your asking one groups perception of racism towards themselves from other groups. What do you think the numbers would say?

Ask 1,000 black people if white people are more racist than black people. Then ask every cultural group the same questions. Surveys like this do nothing more than fuel the flame of a system of oppression.

While we are fighting each other over something as homogenous as skin color, they real bad guys get away with what their doing. Look around you, they're doing it right now

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posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 03:28 AM
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Everyone is a racist, it's a way to preserve our genes.
Everyone is a slave, we think we're free because we drive nice cars.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 04:56 AM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
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I think that I am culturally racist (if there is such a thing). I don't care about Religion nor Race, but rather the actions of the individual. The actions of one makes or breaks it for me.


You have hit the nail on the head. The main issue is and always has been cultural issues, issues which can actually be fixed.

However it is in the interest of those in power that the divisions are not fixed, so they twist the actual issue (cultural) and turn it into a race issue - nobody can change the color of their skin, therefore the issues cannot be fixed.

It is also intentional that the divisions are taught and highlighted in schools - this is because the people in power control the content of education, and it is in their interests to keep the hate fresh.

A people divided from each other cannot stand against the rulers.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by pinobot
Everyone is a racist, it's a way to preserve our genes.
Everyone is a slave, we think we're free because we drive nice cars.


I think you will find your first statement is completely incorrect. Many psychological studies show that people find exotic people attractive - its believed this drive is built in to diversify and therefore strengthen the gene pool. Interbreeding in closed communities leads to birth defects.

As to the second statement - I partially agree, however not paying taxes, and other forms of civil disobedience give a form of freedom.

Its also possible to define freedom as a state of mind, even if imprisoned - if you are defiant, then perhaps one can still claim to be free - at least in their mind.

However, most in the western world pay tax, and obey the laws etc - and think its right. Which is worse than slavery.



posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 05:17 AM
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Well, I've read almost all of this thread.

I think the blacks and whites are wrong about alot of things.

So far nobody black has brought up anything good about slavery. (Yes, there is always something good about any situation.)

Know what it is?

You're Americans now.

You aren't living in Africa getting chased by Hyenas and Lions and struggling day to day like 90 percent of the people there are. You live in a land of oppurtunity (at least for the moment). Lincoln had a plan to send every single slave back to Africa after the civil war. He felt that there would be too much tension between the former slaves and slaveowners for the country to ever heal properly. Unfortunately he never enacted his plan because he was shot by Booth 5 days after the war ended. I always think it funny that the "Great Emancipator" really had no intentions of integrating slaves into American society.

Any time I have had to discuss this with a black person I always bring this point up and they can never say anything to counter it. You have to take the good with the bad in life.




They're standing on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. In fact you will never get any kind of job making a decent living.

People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around. The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids. $500 sneakers for what? And they won't spend $200 for Hooked on Phonics. I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18 and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol? And where is the father? Or who is his father? People putting their clothes on backward: Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong? People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something? Isn't it a sign of something when she has her dress all the way up and got all type of needles [piercing] going through her body? What part of Africa did this come from?? We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans; they don't know a thing about Africa .....

I say this all of the time. It would be like white people saying they are European-American. That is totally stupid. I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany , Scotland , England , Ireland , or the Netherlands . The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa . So stop, already! ! ! With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap ......... And all of them are in jail. Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We have got to take the neighborhood back.

People used to be ashamed. Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now. We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard.. We cannot blame the white people any longer.'

~Dr.. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed..D.


I agree with everything Bill says here, but you have to ask yourself....

Would he have been crucified if he was white and said this?
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posted on Jul, 6 2013 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
I know, I know. I thought long and hard prior to posting this due to it potentially inflammatory contents.

www.rasmussenreports.com...

It's a poll that only encompasses 1000 people so as far as I am concerned, it is only a ping on the radar. But one of the pings raised my eyebrows.



Twenty-nine percent (29%) think race relations are getting better, while 32% believe they are getting worse. Thirty-five percent (35%) feel they are staying about the same.


That doesn't bode well in my opinion. It tells me that we are becoming even more divided.

I believe that this is actually more of a socio-economic and socio-cultural thing that is driving this. These are things that are not easily fixed.

As always, be polite and listen (read) to others prior to posting. I ask that people reply rationally rather than emotionally when replying. Thanks.
edit on 4-7-2013 by TDawgRex because: I'm a Dawg, I don't have opposing thumbs.


Don't worry we will be uniting soon cause there will only be two classes, super rich and super poor and race will no longer matter!




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