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posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 04:08 PM
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I don't know much about the breakaway civilization, but according to someone else in here Dolan has gone maybe a little nuts. I've listened to him speak, and I've read UFO's and the national security state vol. 1 cover to cover. He always seemed like a great source to me.




posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 04:33 PM
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The problem with people like yourself, you have to have something in your life to believe in. In your case it seems to be UFO's. 
If you wish to live in a world of fantasy then that's your choice. Respect people who think the whole subject is nothing but junk and you get respect back.


Hang on a min! How can you say that when you believe
that some crop circles are not man made? Can you be
any more of a hypocrite?

Why do you do it? Do you just like being a troll?

To turn around and say ufos dont exist is just plain ignorance,
esp when it comes from someone who knows nothing about
the subject.

Lets see what happens when you are questioned on this thread.
Are you going to ignore everything, like you did in the last thread.


People only need to look at your history to realise you are a troll.
One thread you started, you stated that you saw a ufo close to
the time the rendleshem case happened. What about the threads
you started with you posting videos of ufo clips stating they could
be legit. I could go on and on.

You know what i think. I think you get a kick out of a reaction. You like
the reaction you get. Your just a troll. Funny thing is, most trolls never
admit that they are.



posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Jay-morris
reply to post by alldaylong
 





The problem with people like yourself, you have to have something in your life to believe in. In your case it seems to be UFO's. 
If you wish to live in a world of fantasy then that's your choice. Respect people who think the whole subject is nothing but junk and you get respect back.


Hang on a min! How can you say that when you believe
that some crop circles are not man made? Can you be
any more of a hypocrite?

Why do you do it? Do you just like being a troll?

To turn around and say ufos dont exist is just plain ignorance,
esp when it comes from someone who knows nothing about
the subject.

Lets see what happens when you are questioned on this thread.
Are you going to ignore everything, like you did in the last thread.


People only need to look at your history to realise you are a troll.
One thread you started, you stated that you saw a ufo close to
the time the rendleshem case happened. What about the threads
you started with you posting videos of ufo clips stating they could
be legit. I could go on and on.

You know what i think. I think you get a kick out of a reaction. You like
the reaction you get. Your just a troll. Funny thing is, most trolls never
admit that they are.



Thousands of classified government documents released by Wikileaks. And guess what? Not a SINGLE ONE about UFO's. I wonder why that is? I will tell you. There is nothing to release because the whole subject is a complete load of bunk.

Ta Ta.



posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 04:47 PM
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Trust? May be too strong a word, I prefer credible. Some researchers are are far too credulous, some blinded by their own biases or agendas that it allows them to present data a bit selectively. Everyone makes mistakes, saints and sinners alike.

The one thing I'd recommend above anything else- Beware accepting a single source as the truth.



posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 05:20 PM
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Thousands of classified government documents released by Wikileaks. And guess what? Not a SINGLE ONE about UFO's. I wonder why that is? I will tell you. There is nothing to release because the whole subject is a complete load of bunk. 

Ta Ta.


You have just showed your lack of knowledge when it comes to
the subject. What should wikileaks release? Millions of ufo documents
hace been released world wide! And in these documents are many
great, unexplained cases. Cases that contain multiple witnesess, radar
evidence ect But i am not suprised you dont know!

You making yourself look foolish, like you did in your other thread, and
if i remember, you vanished from that thread when you just had no
answer to the cases people were bringing up.

The sad fact is, you cant even back up what you are saying. You say
the same rubbish, while ignoring peoples posts.

How anyone can say " its a load of rubbish" when they have not
looked into the subject is beyond me. But i really think you like
doing this. So sad!



posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by alldaylong
Thousands of classified government documents released by Wikileaks. And guess what? Not a SINGLE ONE about UFO's. I wonder why that is? I will tell you. There is nothing to release because the whole subject is a complete load of bunk.

Ta Ta.


Not necessarily true.

The UFO phenomena is unquestionably very real and has been extensively documented.

Where the problem comes in is people equate UFO= Little Green Men when there is absolutely no empirical evidence to remotely support the proposition of E.T. visitation.

Does intelligent life exist somewhere beyond Earth? Almost certainly.

Has that life made contact with the Earth? So far none of the evidence presented has held up to any degree of real scrutiny, as most people begin to understand a little about physics and the scale of the universe the answer favors a regretful "probably not".

The internet has done a great job at allowing people to corroborate facts, which has effectively destroyed the high profile cases that were veritable cash cows for the UFOlogists over the last 50+ years while simultaneously making a rather lucrative cottage industry for a select few "researchers" ( I use that word very loosely ) who have been able to adapt their sales pitch to the times (Steven Greer, Stan Friedman, Nick Pope etc. )

In the process, those inclined to look have learned that the UFO phenomena encompasses multiple facets, from classified military projects, various terrestrial spacecraft and their associated debris, various atmospheric phenomena, honest misidentification and purposeful hoaxes etc. etc. etc.

The UFO researchers I trust? Probably the couple that I have had enough interaction with to understand their honest positions on various cases, and that I am confident have strong grasps on the history of the topic.

Probably Tim Printy who has been editing the new(ish)SUNlite bi-monthly periodical ( if you haven't read any of his publications they are well worth a look )

James O'berg is a wealth of first hand knowledge, ATS's Issac Koi deserves a mention as well.

I don't know that Peter Merlin would quite be considered a UFO researcher but his extensive knowledge into the histories of various black aeronautical projects and classified aviation research facilities is a great resource to any serious researcher interested in facts rather than faerie tales.

Lastly, from the golden age of UFOlogy, probably Carl Sagan, Jacques Vallee and Al Hynek.
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posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 05:39 PM
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Zilch. None that I have watched in any of the UFO documentaries thus far. None of the so-called UFO researches seem to look at things completely objectively and always jump to wild conclusions and seem to accept things as truth, despite the obvious lack of tangible evidence. Very unscientific.



posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 05:50 PM
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Well said! That is the problem. Ufos and ET go hand in hand.
Like you, i need evidence that some of these ufos are ET. They
very well could be, but can also be many other things.

But to say ufos dont exist, its its all a load of rubbish is just
foolish. Considering the good cases out there that have evidence
you just cant ignore. Militery cases alone would be enough to
show you that something unexplained is happening here.

It just bugs me when you get trolls like alldaylong, saying its all
a load of rubbish, when he clearly know next to nothing about
the subject. Then he has the cheek to say that evidence points
towards some crop circles not being man made!!!!

Where is the logic in that!



posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 05:52 PM
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Myself.



posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 06:07 PM
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Interesting how while reading the thread backwards so many individuals want to claim only the main stream echelon of writers researchers and 'popular' front men for Ufology.

To me that is equivalent to saying that you only trust TV commercials and never documentaries. They have brought us to this frustrating point in history, everything is past and rehashed info. They shun all new comers for the most part and continue to maintain an elite group of public figureheads within their group.

I do not believe any of them. I do have respect for a few, but they are all dead and the big difference between them and the 'usual' is that they treated individuals with respect and dignity all the while looking at current events and not stuck in the past.



posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 06:37 PM
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I like the people I've never heard of TBH. And I keep it that way, if I start to get too familiar with someone well known in UFOlogy, I find myself getting pulled away from my own questions and having to answer theirs. I like the people who come here with their stories and share them, perhaps the only time I ever hear from them. This is cos they are more like me, average people who have a sighting and want to know a little more, but don't go to extremes of either, selling books, pushing their views on documentaries or becoming some martyr of the subject etc. And I outright won't listen to people who haven't had an experience, well known researcher or not. The same way I would not talk to someone about women who has never been with a woman, or about tigers with someone who's got zero experience of them. It doesn't make sense to me to do that.
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posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by alldaylong
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The problem with people like yourself, you have to have something in your life to believe in. In your case it seems to be UFO's.
If you wish to live in a world of fantasy then that's your choice. Respect people who think the whole subject is nothing but junk and you get respect back.


I would respect someone who dares to brings the meat to the table, to give a rationale on what they think.

In your case, you just think the subject is junk. That makes the U2, the Blackbird, the flying flapjack, the stealth programme, the drones all junk by default since they were all 'UFO's at some stage. As are others in the realm of secret projects that we still don't know about, even though their day might be long gone. That's a funny way of thinking. It could also mean that you think men never went to the Moon.



posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 08:46 PM
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INDEED.

Here's an above average video of trace landing case evidence:

www.youtube.com...

"Physical Evidence left behind after Various UFO Sightings [FULL VIDEO]



posted on Jul, 4 2013 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by antar
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Myself.


Wonderful answer, and its the only real source any experiencer trusts, others may speak of things that resonate, and at times they have energy from their contacts surrounding them, but in the end, to many agendas out there.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 01:15 AM
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Do not trust anyone about Ufos especially our government. I cannot say I believe because ive never seen a ufo but at the same time I have no proof there isn't mysterious things flying around. Even if there is strange craft it could be ours.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 01:40 AM
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Well, if we are talking about ATS personalities, my favourite is IsaacKoi, as the threads produced by this member are very well put together, thought out, and come with a huge load of sourced information. There is a ton of objectivity in them and very little narrow minded statement of opinion or opinion guised as fact.

That being said, it's not so much about trust as it is about respect. As any investigator or researcher worth anything will present information, show how they uncovered what they did, and let the reader process that.




A thread I rather enjoyed (but has since closed because it referred to specific members) was this one. The OP felt the people their thread was directed to, were hardline skeptics, asking them which cases they felt were most likely to be 'out of this world' for lack of a better term.

In any case, I agreed with most of the cases as they have left me scratching my head, and I also learned about one I hadn't heard of.

As far as researchers that do it for a living or that run around on the UFO circuit to promote themselves and their work, they are doing it for money. And the bigger claims and bigger show they put on, the more money they make. It tends to wear down at their integrity. Or at the very minimum, have them talking about stuff they personally think or know is BS but they cover it anyway because they have to.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 06:06 AM
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IIRC, Carl Sagan has now been documented--at least convincingly reported as a paid government shill debunker.

I certainly saw him as grossly hypocritical.



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 07:25 AM
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Last week on my local radio station, they conducted an interview with Timothy Good. Good claimed that in 1989 he was sitting in his London office and he happened to glace out of the office _ He claimed he saw a triangular craft slowly moving 300 feet above the building rooftops.
He grabbed his camera and run down the stairs to the outside of the building to take a photograph of the craft. However the craft had vanished from sight. No one else saw the craft apart from Good (surprise surprise)
It's episodes such as this that makes these "UFO experts" look like complete fools. Or even maybe attention seeking personality disorders ( with making money as an added bonus)



posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 07:30 AM
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Originally posted by alldaylong

The problem with people like yourself, you have to have something in your life to believe in. In your case it seems to be UFO's.
If you wish to live in a world of fantasy then that's your choice. Respect people who think the whole subject is nothing but junk and you get respect back.


I do not believe, I evaluate existing data. Do not confuse me with believers. Fantasy? perhaps something needs to happen to you from those cases of people physically affected by such to realize? Until then the grey substance in there that's supposed to be your brain is hardly working.

You speak from your arse with zero knowledge, why shold I respect someone who talks without knowledge? All you do is hear some rumors or stories then decide 'ah I dont beliveve it it's nonsense' and that';s it. Have you done any research, have you studied the cases?

Oh and - we aren't talking about Aliens are we? What is undeniable is the existence of CRAFT and technology that some see as non-human because they defy anything human technology can reach. Aliens - still questionable, I question the many stories of encoutners, beings and things like that but when there is physical evidence of things done by flying object, it is no nonsense.

Why you don't see any evidence? Ok then why is the topic so classified, I ask you have you read or done any deep research? So don't post then!

What kind of bad teachers have taught you to give opinions with zero knowledge? Oh and the science you have there - must land on your head to accept a possibility - I have given the Hypothetical case: I have a secret base, no one knows about it, some ex employe worked there, some crazy stories, some unclear documents.

Such like you would sya the place does not exist cause you don't have solid evidence, does this change its existence? No! What is the conclusion: NOT believe it but - DO NOT EXCLUDE IT - can you make the difference? That's where I am.

I will not respect scoffers like you. You cannot have endless documentation of something, classified, and claim it doesn't exist. This is not scientific, this is SCOFFING, trolling,
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posted on Jul, 5 2013 @ 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by ImpactoR

Originally posted by alldaylong

The problem with people like yourself, you have to have something in your life to believe in. In your case it seems to be UFO's.
If you wish to live in a world of fantasy then that's your choice. Respect people who think the whole subject is nothing but junk and you get respect back.


I do not believe, I evaluate existing data. Do not confuse me with believers. Fantasy? perhaps something needs to happen to you from those cases of people physically affected by such to realize? Until then the grey substance in there that's supposed to be your brain is hardly working.

You speak from your arse with zero knowledge, why shold I respect someone who talks without knowledge? All you do is hear some rumors or stories then decide 'ah I dont beliveve it it's nonsense' and that';s it. Have you done any research, have you studied the cases?

So do not post.


What gives you the right to say if i should post or not? That privilege goes to the moderators. I live in a free speech society. Not sure where you live.
You are just a sheep being led by money grabbing UFO research fools. Read my above post about the prize fantasist Timothy Good. I nearly crashed the car when the interview was being broadcast over the car radio last week. If you had heard the listener comments afterward you would still be laughing now (like i am )





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