Military Coup Underway In Egypt...

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


It sounds like Obama is supporting Morsi, but trying to do a balancing act so he doesn't offend the people who want him ousted. I think those citizens that oppose Morsi are going to be angry with Obama's statement.

It's amazing how people who are in power don't want to relinquish their throne when they can clearly see that citizens are not happy with their leadership. A person who has any belief in democracy and concern for their country and citizens, would just apologize to the masses and step down.

I guess that would only happen in a perfect world.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

. A person who has any belief in democracy and concern for their country and citizens, would just apologize to the masses and step down.

that's because they can't. it isn't up to them.
these are extremely high stake games. i don't think the movers and shakers of the planet, sit around saying "oh he's depressed and his people don't like him, let's tell him he can resign."

reply to post by WeRpeons


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"The United Kingdom does not support military intervention as a way to resolve disputes in a democratic system," Hague said in the statement.

WTF? What do you call Syria then?

The first military coup n the middle east perpetrated by the CIA? HuH?

Al Jazeera’s Patty Culhane, reporting from Washington, noted that any country involved in a coup was not entitled to aid from the US.

US involvemnt in regime changes

covert regime changes US

Just the big bully in the playground setting and enforcing the rules for others to follow. Well I believe the people have spoken their opinion of OBAMA

15 photos not seen in US

Time line of us military missions

Find a year they were not at war

Originally posted by Daedal
This has nothing to do with elections or democracy. In order for Egypt to secure the 4.8 billion dollar loan from the IMF, it has to meet it's terms and conditions. This was announced by the newly-appointed planning minister Amr Darrag last month.

Along with the IMF loan, Egypt plays a significant role in the newly formed G6 Alliance. The alliance is a figurehead in the Trans Pacific Partnership which recently expanded it's routes.

Source

The new partnership is scheduled to begin in May 2013 with six coordinated services connecting Asian and North America East Coast ports. Three of the services will transit via the Suez Canal while the remaining three via the Panama Canal.

Member carriers said the new cooperation will be characterized by competitive transit times, broad port coverage and efficient containerships. The six coordinated services will offer an increased sailing frequency than what is currently offered by both The New World Alliance and the Grand Alliance combined.

So to be brief, this has nothing to do with elections or protests, or demonstrations. The opposition that backs the entire thing appears to be in accord with the international banking conglomerates.

edit on 3-7-2013 by Daedal because: edit

I just thought I'd repeat your post in case no one could hear you over the celebrations and fireworks going off.

The IMF wins again.

Originally posted by bg_socalif

Originally posted by Stealthwatch
reply to post by bg_socalif

 

Why don't you guys in the usa not rather try and sort out your own # and leave the rest of the world alone. Haven't you people done enough damage all over the world. When will you lot learn.

I agree, as i said earlier i'm tired of us playing world cop and referee.

Let other countries take care of their own problems and if they kill each other off in the process, so be it.

We have enough of our own problems to deal with.

The real question one must really ask himself: Is the president of the U.S.A. taking his own decision or is he under pressure or worse, a puppet controlled by TPTB, that is yours to find out.



Thruthseek3r

It's an overthrow of the government

Originally posted by Destinyone
Why is Obama always MIA when it comes to major political upheavals. He is a big reason Morsi made it into power in the first place. Where is he now? Just like Benghazi, out of sight, out of mind.

Des

I'm sure someone will resign in a few weeks for not letting Obama know about the overthrow of the Egyptian government.

reply to post by frazzle


Good find - I knew there was going to be somekind of IMF influence in these happenings.

So, if the ousted muslim brotherhood guy signed this deal, is it going to be adherred to with the military now taking over?

Boy, I hope not for the egyptian people. Looks like they are going to be rationing fuel with a "smart card".

This needs to be posted again - maybe it's own thread.

I say good for those people over there.
We the people in the good ole USA need to take a hint.
Now is a good time to take the trash out to the curb.

WOW...

I have just woken up and turned on the TV...

The scenes of joy and fervor are splashed all over all news channels here in France and certainly but a shiver of pride for those people right up my spine!

My deepest admiration and respects go out to the Egyptian people on the streets and the Egyptian army for not shedding a drop of blood whilst ousting Mosri.

So many other countries in this world have many lessons to learn from the acts of these people...

I really hope it will not happen, but now, only time will tell as to what barbarious acts the Muslim Brotherhood and other militant groups may carry out in revenge of being cast aside like the filthy rags that they are.

Kindest respects

Rodinus

Who is in control now, the Egyptian Military?
Or, is this just sleight of hand.

Operation Bright Star
U.S. Military - Egyptian Coalition

Joint Exercise and Training
1980 - 2013

en.wikipedia.org...

Operation Bright Star
1981 - 2013

Operation Bright Star is a series of biennial combined and joint training exercises led by American and Egyptian forces in Egypt. These exercises began in 1980, rooted in the Camp David Accords. After its signing, the military forces of Egypt and the United States agreed to conduct coalition training in Egypt.

They are designed to strengthen ties between the Egyptian and the U.S. United States Central Command and demonstrate and enhance the ability of the Americans to reinforce their allies in the Middle East in the event of war.

en.wikipedia.org...

Despite current political instability, the Bright Star exercises will take place according to schedule, announced military spokesperson Ahmed Mohamed Ali.
www.egyptindependent.com...

In addition to large amounts of annual U.S. military assistance, Egypt benefits from certain aid provisions that are available to only a few other countries. Since 2000, Egypt's FMF funds have been deposited in an interest bearing account in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and have remained there until they are obligated. By law (P.L. 106-280), Congress must be notified if any of the interest accrued in this account is obligated. ... Cash flow financing allows Egypt to negotiate major arms purchases with U.S. defense suppliers.

Although the law itself allows for strict congressional and Defense Department oversight concerning Egypt's use of the account -- Congress must approve every individual weapons purchase and has rejected Egyptian requests in the past -- the Egyptian military still has a financially appreciating fund that it can spend on state-of-the-art American-produced weaponry.

www.theatlantic.com...

www.fas.org...

The largest U.S. military training exercises on foreign soil take place in Egypt

In addition to buying Egypt weapons like 1,200 M1 Abrams tanks and hundreds of F-16 fighter jets, the United States spends millions of dollars annually to train Egyptian troops in war games in the Middle East. Egypt’s current defense chief, Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, is an alum of the U.S. Army War College in Pennsylvania while the head of Egypt’s air force, Reda Mahmoud Hafez Mohamed, did a tour in the United States as a liaison officer, and the recently retired head of the Egyptian navy, Mohab Mamish, did a bunch of tours in the United States . Their cases are hardly unique; more than 500 Egyptian military officers train at American military graduate schools every year. There’s even a special guesthouse on T Street in northwest Washington, D.C., where visiting Egyptian military officials stay when in the American capital.

antiwar.com...

Originally posted by burntheships
Who is in control now, the Egyptian Military?
Or, is this just sleight of hand.

Operation Bright Star
U.S. Military - Egyptian Coalition

Joint Exercise and Training
1980 - 2013

en.wikipedia.org...

Operation Bright Star
1981 - 2013

Operation Bright Star is a series of biennial combined and joint training exercises led by American and Egyptian forces in Egypt. These exercises began in 1980, rooted in the Camp David Accords. After its signing, the military forces of Egypt and the United States agreed to conduct coalition training in Egypt.

They are designed to strengthen ties between the Egyptian and the U.S. United States Central Command and demonstrate and enhance the ability of the Americans to reinforce their allies in the Middle East in the event of war.

en.wikipedia.org...

Despite current political instability, the Bright Star exercises will take place according to schedule, announced military spokesperson Ahmed Mohamed Ali.
www.egyptindependent.com...

In addition to large amounts of annual U.S. military assistance, Egypt benefits from certain aid provisions that are available to only a few other countries. Since 2000, Egypt's FMF funds have been deposited in an interest bearing account in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and have remained there until they are obligated. By law (P.L. 106-280), Congress must be notified if any of the interest accrued in this account is obligated. ... Cash flow financing allows Egypt to negotiate major arms purchases with U.S. defense suppliers.

Although the law itself allows for strict congressional and Defense Department oversight concerning Egypt's use of the account -- Congress must approve every individual weapons purchase and has rejected Egyptian requests in the past -- the Egyptian military still has a financially appreciating fund that it can spend on state-of-the-art American-produced weaponry.

www.theatlantic.com...

www.fas.org...

The largest U.S. military training exercises on foreign soil take place in Egypt

In addition to buying Egypt weapons like 1,200 M1 Abrams tanks and hundreds of F-16 fighter jets, the United States spends millions of dollars annually to train Egyptian troops in war games in the Middle East. Egypt’s current defense chief, Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, is an alum of the U.S. Army War College in Pennsylvania while the head of Egypt’s air force, Reda Mahmoud Hafez Mohamed, did a tour in the United States as a liaison officer, and the recently retired head of the Egyptian navy, Mohab Mamish, did a bunch of tours in the United States . Their cases are hardly unique; more than 500 Egyptian military officers train at American military graduate schools every year. There’s even a special guesthouse on T Street in northwest Washington, D.C., where visiting Egyptian military officials stay when in the American capital.

antiwar.com...

edit on 4-7-2013 by burntheships because: (no reason given)

we are being sucked in by stage theatrics again, aren't we?
damn!

Originally posted by TopsyTurvyOne
we are being sucked in by stage theatrics again, aren't we?

30 years of control, it is not going away.
There is a reason it is called Operation Bright Star.

It could be said that the current Administration's appearance of
distance is just a deception.

Originally posted by whatzshaken
reply to post by WeRpeons

 

aljazeera[

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"The United Kingdom does not support military intervention as a way to resolve disputes in a democratic system," Hague said in the statement.

WTF? What do you call Syria then?

The first military coup n the middle east perpetrated by the CIA? HuH?

Al Jazeera’s Patty Culhane, reporting from Washington, noted that any country involved in a coup was not entitled to aid from the US.

US involvemnt in regime changes

covert regime changes US

Just the big bully in the playground setting and enforcing the rules for others to follow. Well I believe the people have spoken their opinion of OBAMA

15 photos not seen in US

edit on 3-7-2013 by whatzshaken because: (no reason given)

The government thinks that people don't have a mind and can't think for themselves. Apparently all those people are suffering from the same delusion. They see the lies.

Originally posted by MrPlow

Originally posted by whatzshaken
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Its exactly how you solve your problems in a democratic way.

Morsi was elected and did not do a good enough job.

regardless of term length, Who ever is elected works for the people.

The people have spoken.

Its all about eliminating corruption until someone can do the job of leading their people to prosperity in the eyes of truth and righteousness.

Obama should not be able to finish his term and the American people should take note, and follow the example of other nations you rise up and take back liberty and freedom they have had slowly taken away from them

edit on 3-7-2013 by whatzshaken because: (no reason given)

No, it's not. This wasn't the "will of the people"
The people can't just overthrow a democratically elected leader that was brought to power BY the will of the people....and still call yourself a democracy.
Of course, the people of Egypt have every right to overthrow their leader if they choose...but they ALSO lose the right to call themselves a democracy.

You are so wrong.

The term Democracy originates from the Greek δημοκρατία (dēmokratía) "rule of the people", The term was coined from δῆμος (dêmos) "people" and κράτος (kratos) "power" or "rule" resulting in power by the people.

If millions of angry people, who elected you stands outside your residential window asking you to leave or else, you leave or you will face the armed forces of the Demos..uh..sorry..the people.

Sooooo, what about removing King obama and company from our white house? It must be done

Originally posted by MrPlow
This is actually quite disastrous for Egypt. This is Egypts first democratically elected President and to just have him ousted because the opposition doesn't like his rule does nothing to foster an aire of democracy is this country.

No matter how bad of a President he was/is makes little difference if it is a democracy that you want.
What if the next newly elected President comes along and a large portion of the populace doesn't like him and they spark the flames of indignation which spreads once again....are they just going to run that one out of office too instead of letting him serve his term?

I've heard enough about Morsi to not like him. But this isn't how you're supposed to solve your problems in a democracy. Regardless of what anyone says - he was elected by a majority and he should have been allowed to finish his term and then voted out when it was his time. If he doesn't want to leave when voted out - THEN remove him.

sorry sir but it's no longer merely an opposition when you see MILLIONS marching and wanting his removal. the "opposition" was the thousands or so of loyalist/extremeist/MB who supported him...as any dictator does, he has cronies and those who support because they prosper from his ruling. by far i must say the Egyptian people won

Originally posted by ThinkYouSpeak
Sooooo, what about removing King obama and company from our white house? It must be done

What do you think the chances are that people would put down the Big Mac and the remote control. We are neutered cats. This will never happen in America as long as the food and entertainment flow.

reply to post by burntheships

Hey now. Good read.

The US is firmly in control in Egypt. Obama, the State Dept. the Pentagon, etc, have nothing to say on the matter because they are already firmly in control through the military. Whats at stake is nothing less than the Suez Canal. Like that other one half a world away... in Panama. Anytime anything threatens control of those two vital shipping transits, you can bet US will defend its "vital interests".

Now, who's the next US backed puppet in Egypt going to be? Why, the one that promises change Egypt can believe in!