Planefinder.net Chemtrail Proof?

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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 08:53 PM
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There are so few new claims about "chemtrails" it's nice to see someone thinking outside the box. And something to think about. Here's a good one.

I have been in discussion with someone on FB about "chemtrails." Many things he has been told by me and others actually have made an impact. Here is his new video, using Planefinder.net.


Applying a bit of critical thinking, it has to be a glitch. No plane would fly that path, especially a plane carrying passengers. I'm also pretty sure such a flight would need to be refueled someplace.....or rather over some place, because apparently the plane is still just going back and forth, creating a grid of "chemtrails". The video's poster thinks it's proof.

I was hoping someone has had experience with previous glitches like this. Applying "the simplest answer is usually the best", and knowing that no program is perfect, a glitch is lot easier to believe than whoever is doing the planning of "chemtrail" routes would allow it to be openly shared online, that airlines with passengers are being used for hours.......See?

To the believers who watch this, what about this is compelling for you to believe it is "chemtrails", and not a glitch? Or what about this would you question before believing?

Update: I have now been blocked from making further comments on YouTube.
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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 09:02 PM
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There is no way that one 737 could have flown that flight pattern in one flight. The range of a 737-700 is 3440 nautical miles. According to him the plane left LA, and flew that pattern, and ended up in Atlanta. LA to Atlanta is 1944 miles if they went non-stop. How did this plane stay in the air as long as he claims it did? They can't refuel in flight, and if they did all that in one flight, it would have fallen out of the sky long before reaching Atlanta.

Not all tracking sites work well. Flightradar24 is one of the better ones, and there are plenty of times I can't get a flight to track. Flightaware is another good one, but some of the data on the flights, when you break it down during the flight, really makes you scratch your head trying to figure it out.
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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 09:06 PM
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Aircraft fly routes like that for a myriad of reasons such as terrestrial survey, atmospheric sampling, forestry management etc.

Not necessarily a glitch and certainly not proof of anything untoward.

Edit: looked closer, Zaphod is correct.
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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 10:31 PM
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I can't see this being anything other than a glitch - but I have no idea what the problem is.

I wonder how many reports of "grids" here were from the area covered on the day in question??


PS - what date was this? It might pay to check the playback, and check other sites such as FlightAware and FlightRadar24? I couldn't figure out how to check eth history of a flight number on Planefinder.
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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 11:07 PM
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planes are capable of doing impossible things these days.
just look at 9/11!

chemtrailing isn't impossible. it's easy-peasy!
happens all the time.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 11:37 PM
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I looked it up on flightaware and suggested he check that as well. But I am blocked by him, everywhere.

As far as thinking outside the box, false alarm. He now also has a weather radar "spiral", which is just plain ignorance, a`la Dutchsinse and his "HAARP" rings. It's always better to make YT videos fi than try to figure out how things really work. I keep forgetting that.

Just when you think someone is actually thinking, they prove you wrong. He has a picture from another FB page of a "chemcloud"....I sent him the Atmospheric Optics website about iridescent clouds and the link to "On the cause of iridescence in clouds" from 1877. He retracted, declared them to be iridescent clouds, whined about the exhaust fumes, and removed my posts. At least I tried to educate him.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 01:25 AM
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reply to post by stars15k
 


Have you tried asking Planefinder?



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 03:50 AM
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I chanced upon a glitch on FR24 a couple of days ago where a 737 was shown leaving Manchester airport, for about 50 miles and then teleporting back instantly and starting again, repeating this pattern several times. Those damn 737's. I wonder what CTers would have made of that one


If someone isn't capable of discerning when a plane is shown to be doing something that is physically impossible, it might explain why they are so ready to accept crackpot theories as gospel truth.


As a bonus, how about this for a military escort



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posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 03:59 AM
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God the 87 is a sexy plane.

To the OP....lines on a computer screen doesn't prove chemtrails....



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 04:33 AM
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A glitch
is that all you can come up with?

He said he had seen 9 grid patterns in 2 days.

The two y t vids are very clear. Refuelling planes in the air is possible yeah?

A glitch



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 04:52 AM
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Not on the plane that did that it's not. The 737 has no I'm flight refueling capability, and a civilian version would never use it. Besides which it would have shown up on the screen as a very obvious track if it had.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 05:06 AM
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The second y t vid shows more again. 2nd vid

My dad had a prefect (small ford car) he fitted a 292 y block v8 and raced the crap out of it. Who would have thought something could be taken away, who would of thought something could of been added.

The possibilities hey



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 05:15 AM
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I'm always amazed at how people manage to find the super secret programs this way. This program is supposed to be so classified that no one knows about it, yet you can watch it happen on a flight taking website? No way. All they have to do is turn the ADS-b transponder off and use the regular mode and that website wouldn't ever see them. What, did they forget?



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 05:35 AM
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Good point ^ so your theory above about turning off and wouldn't be tracked would gel well with some or a lot of planes releasing chemtrails undetected by these program's.

The planes could be much higher than 30,000 ft also and could be doing what they like any time any where any height.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 06:08 AM
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They still have to fly within the capabilities of the aircraft. Most large aircraft aren't getting much higher than 37 or 38,000 feet. The highest I've heard of is 39000.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 09:07 AM
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Not for long, and not since 9/11/2001.

It would be investigated. It wouldn't disappear from the radar, just the info from the plane itself would stop.

So, no. It could be done, but it never would be done. If it continued, they would most likely receive a military escort until the matter was figured out.

Almost forgot a second point: The plane was shown to be in the air at 1,700 feet. That's low enough it would be noticed and reported if it was seen outside the usual take-off/landing paths of an airport.
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posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 09:21 AM
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I think what really "bothers" me about this sort of video is the poster will deflect all possibilities but the one he believes. There are thousands of planes flying on the program at any one time. Of course there will be problems with getting some messed-up info real time.

If shown this same or similar program to someone who calls a plane "chemtrailing" and unmarked that it is a known flight, on a known route, and is nothing unusual, (which I have suggested to people many times before), the program is usually declared flawed and the information faked. But if the info can be faked sometimes, why wouldn't the clandestine operation be just a bit more careful and fake every plane it sends out?

It becomes a circle of illogical assumptions of their own making. Duplicity is seldom a good trait.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 09:21 AM
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"I welcome any explanation to this."

The plane apparently did cris cross grids over most of the us at one time. Back an forth 40 times or more?
I offer the only explanation that fits. Common sense says it's impossible.

But since this guy has the flight information, I suggest an inquiry into what type of fuel this plane uses. The efficiency and speed of the craft are off the friggin charts. How long would it take to make this grid pattern? How long was the plane in the air?

I hope this guy takes his "evidence" to somewhere that makes him understand critical thinking.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 09:27 AM
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Just so I understand your position, do you believe that this plane flew grids over the central US and covered most of it with chemtrails on it's way to Atlanta?



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 09:43 AM
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It can't be a glitch because every chemtrail believer who uses planefinder is seeing these grids and spreading this undeniable evidence all over the net.





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