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Originally posted by BO XIAN
Welllllllllllll . . . in most respects . . . as Dr Jacques Vallee and others have noted . . . the 'new' ET 'clothing," meme, charade . . . is NOT all THAT new.
Basically the same activities as in the Middle Ages and earlier. Different labels. Different clothing. Different transportation modes.
Still involved in cross breeding; taking children; inserting themselves into families and culture.
Originally posted by UncleVinnys
Well, not entirely.
True, Vallee exposed the similarities of old legends, the Little People, Gnomes, etc. as the equivalent of today's UFO phenomenon, but in the last few decades we've had some major new issues to deal with:
- Abduction cases
- Exposure of hybrids - supposed human-alien interbreeding
- Cattle and animal mutilations
- The entire psychic or "consciousness" agenda of channeling, hypnotic regression, and other forms of alien communition
- Experimental, psychedelic drug research which in many cases mimics the experiences seen in UFO encounters and Near-Death experiences ('___', '___', ketamine)
I don't think Vallee found any similar in the past, although incubi and sucubi might be close to the hybrid events.
“If UFOs are, indeed, somebody else's 'nuts and bolts hardware' then we must still explain how such tangible hardware can change shape before our eyes, vanish in a cheshire cat manner (not leaving a grin), seemingly melt away in front of us, or apparently 'materialize' mysteriously before us without apparent detection by persons nearby or in neighboring towns. We must wonder, too, where UFOs are 'hiding' when not manifesting themselves to human eyes.”
- J. Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallee, The Edge on Reality, pp. xii-xiii
“The statistical data which I have extracted, and which I have tried to summarize briefly here, indicate that flying saucers are not stable machines requiring fuel, maintenance, and logistical support. They are, in all probability, transmogrifications of energy and do not exist in the same way that this book exists. They are not permanent constructions of matter.”
- John Keel, UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse, p. 182
“Many UFO reports, he said, seem to pertain more to accounts of 'poltergeists' (cases where objects fly around the room and strange sounds are heard) and other types of 'psychic' manifestations than to 'actual solid items of nuts and bolts hardware.' 'That is one of the reasons,' added Dr. Hynek, 'why I cannot accept the obvious explanation of UFOs as visitors from outer space.'”
- J. Allen Hynek interview, The Unexplained Column, by Allen Spraggett, November 8, 1975
“There is another system. It is sending us messengers of deception. They are not necessarily coming from nearby stars. In terms of the effect on us, it doesn't matter where they come from. I even suspect that 'where' and 'when' have no meaning here. How could we be alone? The black box of science has stopped ticking. People look upward to the stars in eager expectation.
Receiving a visit from outer space sounds almost as comfortable as having a God. Yet we shouldn't rejoice too soon. Perhaps we will get the visitors we deserve.”
- Jacques Vallee, Messengers of Deception, p. 246
... perhaps we're facing something which is basically a social technology. Perhaps the most important effects from the UFO technology are the social ones and not the physical ones. In other words the physical reality may serve only as a kind of triggering device to provide images for the witness to report. These perceptions are manipulated to create certain kinds of social effects.”
- Vallee Discusses UFO Control System, Fate Magazine, p. 65
“Certain saucer cultists, who have been expecting space brethren to bring along some pie in the sky, continue to deliver saucer-inspired sermons on the theme that the saucers come to bring starry salvation to a troubled world. The self-appointed ministers who preach this extraordinary brand of evangelism ignore the fact that not ALL "saucers" can be considered friendly. Many give evidence of hostile actions. There is a wealth of well-documented evidence that UFO's have been responsible for murders, assaults, burning by direct-ray focus, radiation sickness, kidnappings, pursuits of automobiles, attacks on homes, disruption of power sources, paralysis, mysterious cremations, and destructions of aircraft. Dozens of reputable eye-witnesses claim to have seen alien personnel loading their space vehicles with specimens from earth, including animals, soil and rocks, water and struggling human beings.”
- Brad Steiger, Flying Saucers are Hostile (p.? quoted by Branton)
“Demonology is not just another crackpot-ology. It is the ancient and scholarly study of the monsters and demons who have seemingly coexisted with man throughout history. Thousands of books have been written on the subject, many of them authored by educated clergymen, scientists and scholars, and uncounted numbers of well-documented demonic events are readily available to every researcher. The manifestations and occurences described in this imposing literature are similar, if not entirely identical, to the UFO phenomenon itself. Victims of demonomania (possession) suffer the very same medical and emotional symptoms as the UFO contacts.
... The devil and his demons can, according to the literature, manifest themselves in almost any form and can physically imitate anything from angels to horrifying monsters with glowing eyes. Strange objects and entities materialize and dematerialize in these stories, just as the UFOs and their splendid occupants appear and disappear, walk through walls, and perform other supernatural feats.”
- John Keel, UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse, p. 192
“Satan was also called 'The Prince of The Powers of the Air [Ephesians 2:2],' and was regarded as the ruler over a wide range of kingdoms above and below the earth, all of which had vehicles for traversing the underworld, the land, the sea, and particularly the firmament. In Zechariah, Chapter 5, we find the prophet speaking with an angel of the Lord:
Again, I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and beheld a flying scroll (cylindrical or 'cigar shaped' UFO?). And then he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying scroll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits. Then he said unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth...
- William M. Mott, An Excerpt from Caverns, Cauldrons and Concealed Creatures
“On December 17, 1996, scientists from the Atmospheric Sciences Department at Creighton University in Nebraska released video footage of a mysterious spherical object travelling at one-hundredth the speed of light (1,860 miles per second)... The object can clearly be seen crossing upward and left across the field of view...
The objects fantastic flight pattern led Morris B. Pongratz, a scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, to state that 'it is clearly something that does not have mass, the angular speed is too fast to be anything at orbital velocity.'”
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
The whole theory of the UFO phenomenon being supernatural in nature is nothing new. Jaques Vallee, John Keel, ect, have postulated this stuff for years. However, it is one theory I examined and rejected long ago for a number of reasons:
1. Demons/supernatural/metaphysical matters are, as far as I am concerned, completely subjective, It does not have an objective reality so to speak, as far as I can tell, no objective evidence has surfaced supporting a completely objective experience.
2. The abduction aspect of Ufology is only a tiny part of the whole issue. And a very controversial one, with little concrete evidence, unlike other UFO issues.
The same does not apply for UFOs, which have left real quantifiable trace evidence, such as radar returns, multiple witness sightings, traces of radiation, imprints, physical damage.
3. Trying to explain a relatively uncertain phenomenon, especially a very controversial one, such as UFOs, with an even more speculative, controversial, and questionable phenomenon like supernatural matters, is folly. The existence of UFOs is still debated, trying to explain it with a phenomenon that is even more questionable in its objective existance just does not work.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
The whole theory of the UFO phenomenon being supernatural in nature is nothing new. Jaques Vallee, John Keel, ect, have postulated this stuff for years. However, it is one theory I examined and rejected long ago for a number of reasons...
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
reply to post by Chazam
Your explanation leaves out the problem of consciousness and comes across in an extremely condescending manner.
The UFO as 'gods' or 'demons' is still a valid line of investigation as all those things occurred withing the consciousness.
Once you can materially define and locate consciousness and predict future thought with accuracy based upon the movements of protons and electrons within the brain you can confidently pursue your claims, however until then you merely playing the fool.edit on 5-7-2013 by FriedBabelBroccoli because: 101