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Why do Christians believe in a God that has "chosen" the Jews

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posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 01:15 AM
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God is quite capable of carrying his own message. Any one who claims to be Gods messenger is puffed up with their own self worth. God does not play favorites. Only humans do that s***.




posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 01:43 AM
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Starting with Genesis 32 30, where the penial is the city you meet God in, one should be aware that the bible is metaphor for inner processes.

Is Ra El. Isis Ra El, Mother/Father/Son of God. The process of the 2 becoming one: Gospel of Thomas, the inner and the outer, the right and left hemisphere, the pituatary and the pineal to awaken the third eye/thalamus. The son of man becomes the ascended son of God, via good works and long discipline and giving and seeing through the world. That is the light code. There are dark codes in the bible as well.

Isralites go within, they're gnostics, and gentiles are fundamentalists, for they don't understand the scriptures and thus, they don't understand God, they see a smiting stern father who would sacrifice his son as a sin atonement. The opposite of any loving father, in fact, the sacrifice, is the ego being crucified in the process of awakening and seeing through the world and subduing the beast/bodysuit/anger/apathy/greed/passions and selfishness, even judgements and reactions, to become loving and bring happiness to others. That is the sacrifice. Its all an inner proces. But the writers of the book are not off the hook for they deliberately buried the truth under a wrapper that if taken literally, turns Goodness into Saturn.

Its not a race. Anyone can be an Isrealite and anyone can be a gentile.
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posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 02:44 AM
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From the opened seven sealed book, the book of the lamb at the end,

(1050.2) 95:6.6 The Jewish traditions of heaven and hell and the doctrine of devils as recorded in the Hebrew scriptures, while founded on the lingering traditions of Lucifer and Caligastia, were principally derived from the Zoroastrians during the times when the Jews were under the political and cultural dominance of the Persians. Zoroaster, like the Egyptians, taught the “day of judgment,” but he connected this event with the end of the world.

(1050.3) 95:6.7 Even the religion which succeeded Zoroastrianism in Persia was markedly influenced by it. When the Iranian priests sought to overthrow the teachings of Zoroaster, they resurrected the ancient worship of Mithra. And Mithraism spread throughout the Levant and Mediterranean regions, being for some time a contemporary of both Judaism and Christianity.

>>The teachings of Zoroaster thus came successively to impress three great religions: Judaism and Christianity and, through them, Mohammedanism.>(1050.5) 95:6.9 This great man was one of that unique group that sprang up in the sixth century before Christ to keep the light of Salem from being fully and finally extinguished as it so dimly burned to show man in his darkened world the path of light leading to everlasting life.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by NoSoul

How do you know Jesus is not a deceiver? Other than saying it's in your "heart" you don't. Why is bible the word of God? Everybody knows it was written by man, but why is it people trick themselves to believing the real God told them to write it? What if someone else wrote another book today and said it was the "real" word of God. There would be many thinking it's a false book, but what if it was the real one? So why is the bible different? Just because it's a tradition passed down from generation to generation doesn't make it true.
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hmmm, there is an action called faith, salvation is free and Christ fulfilled the prophecies that acknowledged the Messiah.
There is no one else needed.or expected

The prophecies were written before Christ was born.
What have you got we should see and acknowledge for a new messiah

christianity.about.com...



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 05:06 AM
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How do you know Jesus is not a deceiver? Other than saying it's in your "heart" you don't. Why is bible the word of God? Everybody knows it was written by man, but why is it people trick themselves to believing the real God told them to write it? What if someone else wrote another book today and said it was the "real" word of God. There would be many thinking it's a false book, but what if it was the real one? So why is the bible different? Just because it's a tradition passed down from generation to generation doesn't make it true.


Unless you've read the Bible to see how every piece of the puzzle fits together perfectly and in detail, I don't know what else to tell you. There are even a few here on ATS who claim that the Bible alone brought them to God through the power of his Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit can only be found in God's Word. It only comes from Jesus and no one else. All other spirits are just that, spirits. Plus, it's a book of prophecy that is still playing out and coming true today.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 05:26 AM
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Starting with Genesis 32 30, where the penial is the city you meet God in, one should be aware that the bible is metaphor for inner processes.


The Bible is NOT a metaphor for inner processes. It's this exact process that leads people away from God and allows them to believe that heaven is here on earth, because our inner beings are corrupt like the rest of the world. You have to look beyond yourself and this world to find God. This world belongs to Satan even though we are capable of seeing God's work in it's beauty and design. When you look inside youself, you're only going to find the world and the god of it.

When Jesus said that the Kingdom of God was within man, he was talking about the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit only resides with us until Jesus brings his physical kingdom down from heaven. The current world as we know it, is not it. The current world will be burned up along with Satan and his little minions for having corrupted it and the people in it.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 05:36 AM
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Anyone familiar with the Urantia knows that it's a book that's been channeled through spirits other than the Holy Spirit.


The Urantia Book (sometimes called the Urantia Papers or The Fifth Epochal Revelation) is a spiritual and philosophical book that originated in Chicago sometime between 1924 and 1955. The authorship remains a matter of speculation.


en.wikipedia.org...

This is precisely why the Bible prohibits channeling, mysticism and divination. When you seek out spirits, you're only going to get the fallen ones who want to lead you away from God's truth. Neither God or his angels can be channeled at someone's whimsy. The Holy Spirit doesn't work that way.


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posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by ThinkingHuman


Why do Christians not believe in their own God? And who chose them not some other “race”?


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This is funny, surly if Christians can just make up there own definition of god, it demonstrates that the religion is man made and that the bible is the word of man , not god.

In answer to your question like Islam, Christianity is an Abrahamic religion that has its source in Judaism, with a slightly different take. Christ was the supposed to be the Jewish messiah, a new prophet that the Jewish people rejected. Christ is a prophet of Islam also they just reject him as the son of god. According to the Christians the Jewish god is the correct one, Jews just worship him wrong.

The apposels did not write any books of the bible, it was written hundreds of years after the death of Christ when Rome converted to Christianity.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 05:43 AM
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hmmm, there is an action called faith, salvation is free and Christ fulfilled the prophecies that acknowledged the Messiah. There is no one else needed.or expected


Truth!!

Luke 24:44

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 05:49 AM
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The apposels did not write any books of the bible, it was written hundreds of years after the death of Christ when Rome converted to Christianity.


Where did you read that?

"When was the Bible written and who wrote it?"

carm.org...



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 05:54 AM
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That's an interesting list...

Unfortunately there isn't any original texts from the first century... All of the texts that exist are copies...

So scholars can only estimate...




posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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The apposels did not write any books of the bible, it was written hundreds of years after the death of Christ when Rome converted to Christianity.


Where did you read that?

"When was the Bible written and who wrote it?"

carm.org...





The canon of the New Testament is the collection of books that most Christians regard as divinely inspired and constituting the New Testament of the Christian Biblical Canon.
In the one-hundred-year period extending roughly from AD 50 to 150, a number of documents began to circulate among the churches, including epistles, gospel accounts, memoirs, prophecies, homilies, and collections of teachings. While some of these documents were apostolic in origin, others drew upon the tradition the apostles and ministers of the word had utilized in their individual missions. Still others represented a summation of the teaching entrusted to a particular church center. Several of these writings sought to extend, interpret, and apply apostolic teaching to meet the needs of Christians in a given locality.
In general, among Christian denominations, the New Testament canon is an agreed-upon list of 27 books, although book order can vary. The book order is the same in the Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Protestant tradition.[8] The Slavonic, Armenian and Ethiopian traditions have different New Testament book orders.[1]


en.wikipedia.org...


ie the gospels may have been inspired by documents that may have been written by the apostles.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 06:07 AM
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50 AD to 150 AD does not constitute HUNDREDS of years after Christ's death, considering that Christ died between 32 AD - 34 AD.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 06:13 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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50 AD to 150 AD does not constitute HUNDREDS of years after Christ's death, considering that Christ died between 32 AD - 34 AD.


correct but the bible was not compiled then, the documents had apostolic origins and were then rewritten by church members many times over the next few hundred year. That said I have no real vested interest one way or another.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 06:17 AM
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What we do know is that the few books which have been found in the Dead Sea Scrolls still appear to match what we have today.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by Deetermined
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What we do know is that the few books which have been found in the Dead Sea Scrolls still appear to match what we have today.


Fair enough.



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 06:41 AM
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I often wonder why people believe in a god well apart from the obvious brainwashing!



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 06:42 AM
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first, i am not a practicing or believing 'Christian' (even with being baptised Roman Catholic twice)

its my view that from the line of "Adamic Men" there arose only Noah & Family..

.from which there later came" the 12 Tribes of Israel... in It's time
> then further sifted down to the town of Bethelem which was linked to the former King David and was a town known to be in the domain of the Tribe of Judah....


that is the extent and scope of the 'Jews' being chosen people...

in that through their Tribe, Particularly in the blood line of DAVID,
there would one day come forth the promised MESSIAH

that is the meaning of the meme 'chosen people'... nothing more...

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the New Testament Books were written in the 2nd & 3rd Centuries AD
So, the Apostles did not write the Scriptures, the accounts were likely told to younger disciples who then had scribes do the writings.. so new-testament books are 2nd & 3rd hand narratives & not first hand accounts from the hands of the first disciples/apostles
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posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by St Udio
first, i am not a practicing or believing 'Christian' (even with being baptised Roman Catholic twice)



Why were you baptized twice? is that even possible? were you rejected by god the first time?



posted on Jul, 3 2013 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by Internet Explorer
If god exists he doesn't have favourites. I seriously take the bible with a grain of salt.



This may sound good but its a logical fallacy. It is entirely possible that God has favorites or people that He is closer to than others. However the truth about Gods relationship with Israel is rather complicated.



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