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Originally posted by wemadetheworld
I want to believe Bob Lazar, he seems like a nice guy, however I find it hard to believe he could work on such highly classified projects, and then go around talking about it without being arrested. Maybe he is being used to spread some disinfo.
As for the element 115, it sounds a bit off to me. Clearly all matter distorts spacetime, giving rise to what we call gravity, and there has been no measured loss of mass due to matter emitting gravitons, so it could be a very simple and low energy process. Simulating gravity might actually be quite easy once you know how.
Furthermore, black holes distort spacetime just like any other lump of matter, well beyond the event horizon of the black hole. Assuming that gravitons are no different to photons, and cannot travel faster than light, then they should not escape the black hole, but clearly they do.
Therefore one can reasonably assume that matter distorts spacetime locally, that gravitons only travel a short distance from the matter to the immediate spacetime, and then spacetime itself propagates that change out to the surrounding spacetime.
With that in mind, what is so special about element 115 ? I assume this atom is comprised of protons and neutrons, just like any other atomic nucleus, so there's nothing special there.
Maybe it's the particular arrangement of protons and neutrons in element 115, with some perfect multi-dimensional geometry, that distorts spacetime considerably more than other atomic nuclei, just because of that particular geometry ??? Most questionable.
If a more advanced race were to impart the secret of gravity, I think it would more likely be a Feynman diagram, rather than a lump of metal, something like:
Lithium nucleus -> Gamma rays at frequency 1234 -> Liberated heavy proton -> Decays to normal proton -> Extra energy forms a graviton
Now that would be a useful formula !
I'm always surprised by how quickly people will disregard Bob and his story, even in the UFO community. I'm not sure why it happens either.
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Originally posted by smurfy
Bob Lazar has always been something of an enigma, and I think that's about as much as anybody knows...
Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by awakehuman
What is your relationship with ufo-blogger.com ? ...every thread you post in this forum uses that as your source and to be honest most of the stuff there is BS .
Conspiracy or what
Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by awakehuman
Anyways what you think about Bob Lazar ?
I think Lazar spins a good yarn but the stories he tells are full of holes and he ranks low on the credibility scale .
There is a possibility that he is/was an asset for certain agencies but that's just speculation on my part .
Appeal to Authority (or, Appeal to False Authority, or Appeal to Questionable Authority, Argumentum Ad Verecundiam)
Let's face it. Not one person will ever become qualified as an expert in every field of research relevant to Apologetics. A person can spend decades studying only one field alone. Most laypeople will have to rely on experts from time to time to establish a point; even experts in one field of study will appeal to experts in another field. Appealing to an authority to make a point can be an acceptable way to make a point. One must be cautious, however, as no authority is perfect. Authorities have been known to contradict each other, and being an authority doesn't make one infallible. So, it is recommended that one only uses an authority when, for whatever reason, it would be impractical or unnecessary to present the evidence or argument the authority represents. However, if one is responding to another's personal opinion, a professional opinion carries more weight in debate. There are a few different ways to commit an Appeal to
1. When one uses a claim from an person not qualified to comment on the area one is making the argument in. For example: Albert Einstein stated that, "God does not play dice." Therefore, random probability (luck) is in contradiction to God's sovereign plan. The conclusion may be correct (I'm not entirely sure), but the argument is fallacious because Einstein was an expert in science, not theology.
2. Since authority is one of the weakest forms of evidence, one must not over-depend on the strength of an authority. The example above does, using the opinion of an authority as though it were absolute proof ).
3. Another kind of appealing to false authority is to state that something is validated by "many" or "most" of a class of authorities. For instance, one can say, "the majority of scholars think that the historical Jesus was just a really good teacher." However, unless actual authorities are cited, this is a fallacious appeal to unspecified authorities. Most philosophers agree with this (take tongue and plant firmly in cheek).