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Judge allows Yoga in Public schools, rejects Church-State Fight

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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:37 PM
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“There is no physical yoga and spiritual yoga. If it is exclusively physical, it won’t be yoga. Yoga is dealing with the entirety; it is a union.” – Prashant Iyengar, son of B.K.S Iyengar

'Nough said?

There is such an apparent double standard going on here, it's really difficult to even take some of these posts seriously. In my view, there isn't even an argument to be had here. Do we allow religion in schools or don't we? If the answer is no, Yoga, by definition must be rejected.




posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by luciddream

Im not sure how calming the mind, looking for mental clarity or being stress free is religious!



You must have a Religionophobe view of Religion. All of these practices for mindful and spiritual living come from Religion.



i highly doubt most Yoga instructors have any clue on the mantras and tradition of real yoga.



You're right. In the U.S. its the Aerobics Instructor doing the Yoga Lesson.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee
Saying yoga is religious is like saying drinking wine and eating bread is religious.

Sure it -can- be, but if you aren't preaching a doctrine, drinking wine and doing yoga is merely an activity that many atheists do completely divorced from any Gods.


Yes. And many other use it for physical and emotional strength.


Totally. I love yoga.. and wine.. and use both for emotional strength.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by luciddream

If you were in India, that would be a different story... but i think even India has these "American Yoga" in India.


Sad but true. The ancient art of Yoga has been re-imported from the U.S. A lot of people in India only teach it to appeal to western tourists.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee
Saying yoga is religious is like saying drinking wine and eating bread is religious.

Sure it -can- be, but if you aren't preaching a doctrine, drinking wine and doing yoga is merely an activity that many atheists do completely divorced from any Gods.


Saying stretching is religious is like saying eating bread and wine is religious.

Saying Yoga is relgious (mind of matter dicipline) is like saying Communion is religious (mind of matter by faith).

The difference is what occurs in the mind of the practicianer.

Apples to apples.

God Bless,
edit on 2-7-2013 by ElohimJD because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by garret
why dont they just call it pilates and stop all the arguing


Good idea actually. "Kids, lets do some Pilates today". Or "Kids, lets do some stretching today". Not sure why they need to call it Yoga.


This guy actually brings that up pretty well. I brought up a similar point in my first post here but it seems every point that could not fuel rage of those wishing to have some atheist vs christian debate was ignored.
creative.sulekha.com...



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid

The point I was making is that things change. Kung Fu was highly religious(probably still is in some parts of Asia). Is that not what Buddhist monks practiced? KF has been popular here for about 40 years but I don't see any temples being erected. The same with yoga. Raquel Welsh has been doing yoga for decades(God bless her
) and I'm sure she's still a Catholic.


I see your point clearly. Its a good point that counter-balances mine a little. Only very few later go on looking for the spiritual masters in the East.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by ElohimJD

Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee
Saying yoga is religious is like saying drinking wine and eating bread is religious.

Sure it -can- be, but if you aren't preaching a doctrine, drinking wine and doing yoga is merely an activity that many atheists do completely divorced from any Gods.


Saying stretching is religious is like saying eating bread and wine is religious.

Saying Yoga is relgious (mind of matter dicipline) is like saying Communion is religious (mind of matter by faith).

Apples to apples.

God Bless,


Nah, what I call yoga -is- yoga, because it is a definition that is generally accepted in my society. What I call yoga may not be what you call -yoga-, but guess what, you are using what is called the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by luciddream

I think people are so against Yoga because it didn't come from their religion.


Just like atheists like Yoga because it doesnt come from their most hated Religion.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by luciddream
Yoga has religious part, but what we practice in west is not religious. care to disagree?


Who is "we"?



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:46 PM
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Yoga has nothing to do with religion, at least for the large majority of Western practicioners.

Of course it has religious roots and is practised with religious intentions in certain parts of the world (and also for a tiny % of practicioners in the Western world, Although it is also a very effective physical exercise program and can be done totally seperately from the religious purposes with the sole focus on the physical and mental part.

There have been numerous studies on the matter and these have lots of benefits. I personally have practising some exercises for years now, after my orthoped suggested these due to my lower back progrem. Works like magic


Yoga is becoming a trend, as are meditation&pilates round here, mostly among women though it is very popular. Although this country is considered the least religious country in the world with less than 10% of locals being religious and majority of them are either elder locals or immigrants, I have lived here on an off for over half of my life (mid 20s), have made a very number of contacts&acquintances, yet I have yet to meet a religious person...

Considering the physical effectiveness of this practice, it would be extremely stupid to ban it for its original roots which have nothing to do with the current purposes. I would recommend it made compulsory part of the physical education program. There are lots of gymnastics exercises there currently also, although these are pretty much worthless compared to yoga. Also very good warm-up / cool-down in certain sports fields, especially the ones that have a lot of pressure on the core of the body.

Good decision from the judge



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by ElohimJD

Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee
Saying yoga is religious is like saying drinking wine and eating bread is religious.

Sure it -can- be, but if you aren't preaching a doctrine, drinking wine and doing yoga is merely an activity that many atheists do completely divorced from any Gods.


Saying stretching is religious is like saying eating bread and wine is religious.

Saying Yoga is relgious (mind of matter dicipline) is like saying Communion is religious (mind of matter by faith).

The difference is what occurs in the mind of the practicianer.

Apples to apples.

God Bless,
edit on 2-7-2013 by ElohimJD because: (no reason given)


I see what you are saying but its off and i will tell you why
Stretching is not religious, but they are not just stretching. They are calling it yoga and they are practicing yoga.Saying yoga is religious is like saying communion is religious but not the same as eating bread and wine and calling it religious.
The argument would be more parallel if kids were doing the Communion, calling it communion and doing the whole communion thing just taking the catholic speech out of it then claiming its not a religious thing.

edit on 2-7-2013 by Superhans because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:50 PM
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Athletes and yoga:


Flexibility is the key that far too many people are missing, and athletes, in particular, can benefit from becoming more flexible and increasing their range of motion. It can add to the improvement of the athlete's game and will markedly decrease the risk of injury.


ca.sports.yahoo.com...

It's a phenomenal exercise regimen that many athletes use to cut down on injuries. Why? It works.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by Afewloosescrews
“There is no physical yoga and spiritual yoga. If it is exclusively physical, it won’t be yoga. Yoga is dealing with the entirety; it is a union.” – Prashant Iyengar, son of B.K.S Iyengar

'Nough said?

There is such an apparent double standard going on here, it's really difficult to even take some of these posts seriously. In my view, there isn't even an argument to be had here. Do we allow religion in schools or don't we? If the answer is no, Yoga, by definition must be rejected.


Nough said.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by Superhans


This guy actually brings that up pretty well. I brought up a similar point in my first post here but it seems every point that could not fuel rage of those wishing to have some atheist vs christian debate was ignored.
creative.sulekha.com...


Nice article.

It does seem that these days, there are a lot of people wanting to turn everything into an atheist vs. christian debate.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Nough said.


See my post above before it's "Nuff said."
It's like Chinese food. We love OUR Chinese food but few would eat REAL Chinese food.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee

Originally posted by ElohimJD

Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee
Saying yoga is religious is like saying drinking wine and eating bread is religious.

Sure it -can- be, but if you aren't preaching a doctrine, drinking wine and doing yoga is merely an activity that many atheists do completely divorced from any Gods.


Saying stretching is religious is like saying eating bread and wine is religious.

Saying Yoga is relgious (mind of matter dicipline) is like saying Communion is religious (mind of matter by faith).

Apples to apples.

God Bless,


Nah, what I call yoga -is- yoga, because it is a definition that is generally accepted in my society. What I call yoga may not be what you call -yoga-, but guess what, you are using what is called the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.


You can call whatever you like whatever you like, it matters not to me.

But ask a Yogi if Yoga is religious and they will say it is.

I do not care what your definition of anything is, but the source of the knowledge and the source of the education stemming from that knowledge defines itself as religious regardless of what you think of it as, or how inept the teachers are in the USA covering the disemination of the knowledge to their students.

Ask a Scot if he is a Scot and he will answer you (you do not have to believe him), ask a Yogi if he is religious and he will answer you. Label his answer however you choose, and place his response in whatever bucket you've created in your own mind to label someone else's religion as non-religious.

I take the Yoga practicianer's word as to why he practices, rather than the self imposed definition created by a poster on ATS that contradicts the source of the faith. If someone is practicing Yoga, it must be both body and mind, the two cannot be disassociated with one another by Yoga's own self definition.

Call an apple an orange all you want, even if more people around you call it an orange and agree with your position, it is still an apple.

God Bless,



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid


It's a phenomenal exercise regimen that many athletes use to cut down on injuries. Why? It works.


It works. Thats why I use it. Athletes and I also use meditative Visualization. And...uh...prayer.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:55 PM
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During Yoga, are these students focusing on spirits or Gods? If not, then it isn't spiritual or religious and it is appropriate.

Yes, Yoga has its ROOTS in religion, but so do many things. Sports were played for The Greek Gods, should sports be banned too? Writing was made in order to keep the stories of the Gods (Egyptian Walls), should writing be banned?

Most things have religious "ROOTS" but that doesn't mean it's PRACTICE is religious.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 03:55 PM
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i like this and don't find it interfers with my christianity at all.



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