Which should I worry about more?

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

I care about my children's happiness, if later in life they chose that route then it's on them. I'm simply stating that as a parent if I see that type of behavior in the early stages then I'm going to do my best to stop it. What's wrong with that?

This post contradicts this post that you made earlier in the thread.

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Grandparent. If I taught my kids about the "birds & bees" and they didn't listen, then to be honest, they'll just have to live with that misery. I tried to tell them, but they wouldn't listen.

This post says that you'd rather have your children miserable, but producing grandchildren for you rather than them being happy.

Originally posted by AQuestion
Should I worry more about one of my kids being gay or a drug addict? Do you understand the question? Should I worry more about them killing someone, even if government applauded, or being gay?

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I would be more worried about trolling for replies on ATS, but seriously, you shouldn't worry about either one.

What can you possibly do about someone being gay? Do you think you can change them? Obviously you can't, so all the reasons to worry have just flown out the window. Why worry about things that you will never have control over? Let them run their course and handle your $hlt the best you can.

What can you possibly say to prevent your son from being a drug addict? Someone with the potential to be a drug addict, has the potential to be a drug addict whether or not you talk to them about it or not. So if I were you, I'd say eff it. Let the little gay junkie do what he wants!

The fact that you posted in this forum should worry you. The fact that you believe in a imaginary cloud daddy should worry you.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


That's not what scripture says.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by AQuestion

 

Forgive me if I misunderstood your original post, as it was very poorly written.

Were you trying to compare drug addicts and gays against people in our military?

If that's the case, you may have opened up a whole new can of worms if you're insinuating that those in service are worse than drug addicts or gays combined.

Dear Deetermined,

I shall try again. Are you more concerned about our nation continually being at war or are you more worried about the fact that there are gay people? For the past week people have non-stop been writing posts about how the earth is going to end because of some stupid court case. Where are our priorities.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Dear NOTurTypical,

God doesn't grade sin on a curve. There is either sin or righteousness.

I agree there is no curve and there is also none good but God. I however do not believe in Theocracies.

Originally posted by Philodemus
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

That's not what scripture says.

Vague.

What isn't what scripture says?

Which scripture are you referring to specifically?

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Dear NOTurTypical,

God doesn't grade sin on a curve. There is either sin or righteousness.

I agree there is no curve and there is also none good but God. I however do not believe in Theocracies.

Who brought up a Theocracy?

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Dear Krazysh0t,

Your questions are vague and can be circumstantial. I mean what kind of drugs are you referring to? If my son was a habitual pot smoker, I could care less, but if he was shooting up heroin I'd be more than a little upset about it. As far as the government sanctioned killing, what if there was another government (country) that was invading this one and we had to defend our homeland? I know this isn't the case currently, but I'm trying to speak hypothetically. Though I think I do get your point. I wouldn't care if my child was gay.

After seeing all threads in the last couple of weeks about people hyperfocusing on homosexuals, it just seems people are missing what is really important. Many seem more upset by gay marriage then by our killing people for oil. We haven't been invaded in forever. We haven't even been attacked on our own soil since the 1800s (Hawaii was not invaded, it was bombed and was not part of the United States at the time). We celebrate war instead.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by JohnBlack

 

Dear JohnBlack,

I am completely straight. Should I worry more about people having sex or killing people? I like the question and await the answers.

Try not to worry about either. What will be will be. No point spending your life worrying about things you can't control. Unless you enjoy worrying that is?

Dear woodwarndjnr,

I am not worried. It just seems that people are way to worried about what people do in the bedroom and not enough about what our nation is doing. We are drowning in debt and yet manage to be in continual wars. I have seen pictures of what happens when people are exposed to the dust from the depleted uranium bullets and nobody seems to care about these things. Over half the nation believes it okay to torture prisoners and nobody seems to care. If people were as outraged by these things as they are by gay marriage, we wouldn't be at war.

reply to post by AQuestion


Actually the mainland was attacked in WWII. The upper northwest was bombed by the Japanese. And a Naval base is US territory, as are Army and Air Force bases overseas.

(WWII nerd here)

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Dear NOTurTypical,

But, that is the complaint people have. They say that government sanctioned contracts regarding who can be with whom are because GOD is against gay marriage. I see that law as being a theocratic one because it is. I tend towards libertarianism.

I wouldn't be worried about any.

If the drug addict wants to keep using drugs until their self-destruction, then that is their choice. It is their life, it is their body and I have no right to tell people what they can and cannot do with their own body. It's theirs.

They already know that drugs are destructive, they don't have to here me repeat it again.

You cannot help those who do not want to help themselves. If they enjoy the pattern of destructive behavior, then even if you get them out of it, they'll return because of the addiction.

If they want help, and they wanted my advice, then I'd worry and try to help them the best way I could, but other than that it's their choice.

As for the gay person, the only issue would be making sure their lover treats them well, and to use condoms (which is important for gay, bi, AND straight people).

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by AQuestion

 

Actually the mainland was attacked in WWII. The upper northwest was bombed by the Japanese. And a Naval base is US territory, as are Army and Air Force bases overseas.

(WWII nerd here)

edit on 2-7-2013 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

Dear NOTurTypical,

That is why I said invaded. I am familiar with the balloon fire bombs that were sent to the North West. There was also the supposed invasion of Los Angeles; but, there is no evidence that it was the Japanese. As far as I know, to this day the Japanese have never said that the lights in the sky over Los Angeles were their planes. It is incredibly unlikely that any country is going to invade the United States at least in the foreseeable future; however, there is active talk about us attacking Syria and Iran.

It often seems that we support these because it is the only good jobs around. Those in aerospace and intelligence seem to be doing okay. We worry about the government taking away our guns and make our money selling guns and bombs to other countries.

I know you are a true believer in Christ. I cannot imagine that he is pleased with us sending so many to die for oil. If we were truly looking to free people, we would be helping in Africa. Imagine that we took all of the resources we are spending on wars and used them in Africa to help those nations advance. It would be a different world.

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Dear NOTurTypical,

But, that is the complaint people have. They say that government sanctioned contracts regarding who can be with whom are because GOD is against gay marriage. I see that law as being a theocratic one because it is. I tend towards libertarianism.

Okay, is it some eucamenical theocracy then? Because Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, and even atheists are against gay marriage. There would be a valid point if only none group of faith was against the practice. You can't let morons define the debate with absurd tripe.

reply to post by AQuestion


We aren't sending anyone to die for oil, that nonsensical claim has been debunked a hundred ways from Sunday. The government could open up our oil reserves and never use another drop from the middle east. And oil certainly isn't a cent cheaper since 2003.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Dear NOTurTypical,

Okay, is it some eucamenical theocracy then? Because Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, and even atheists are against gay marriage. There would be a valid point if only none group of faith was against the practice. You can't let morons define the debate with absurd tripe.

And the country with the most gay porn is Pakistan. If we allow the government to determine what we can do in our bedrooms, we all lose and they used to have laws about oral sex too. This is not about religion, it is about rights and when we deny others rights we lose ours too. Consider smoking, it was first outlawed in markets. Now it is outlawed in whole towns (look up Calabasas). There are places where it is illegal to smoke cigarettes; but, Marijuana is legal.

Christians were told to spread the good word and if they went into a town and nobody responded, we are to shake the dust of the town off of our shoes and leave. The church has lost it's way and it's priorities. Our soldiers come back home, have no jobs and the highest rate of suicides in history. And where is the church in all this, out protesting access to government sanctioned marriage.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by AQuestion

 

We aren't sending anyone to die for oil, that nonsensical claim has been debunked a hundred ways from Sunday. The government could open up our oil reserves and never use another drop from the middle east. And oil certainly isn't a cent cheaper since 2003.

Dear NOTurTypical,

I forgot we want to get rid of weapons of mass destruction. We don't need the oil for the United States, we do however get to decide who gets the oil produced in Iraq. As far as Afghanistan goes, we actually protecting the poppy fields and control the ports, yet, somehow Heroin still gets out.

I worry about my children all the time... getting hurt, or lost, or kidnapped, or worse. Hopefully I will raise them well enough to make good choices, and to be honest, it wouldn't include any of the choices you suggest. You might do well to try and raise the bar for your own children. I may be wrong here, but it sounds like you are suggesting that people wish the lesser of two evils for their children (referring to the way you represent your ambiguous argument), but this isn't a vote for president, this is about the parents' desires for their children's futures- maybe we should wish for the best, and hopefully be willing to accept the worse.

If I had to choose one, I would choose the one that I would choose for myself- I would rather not be gay.

I have nothing against peoples personal choices, except when they need to lower the bar for everyone to make their choices seem more acceptable.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical


What are you going on about? You are a preacher, you know full well that humans grade sins, God doesn't.

Sin is sin and seperates us from God.

Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds

Luke 12:42-48
And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. Truly I say to you, that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him, and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, shall receive many lashes, but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. And from everyone who has been given much shall much be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more.

John 9:41
Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, ‘We see,’ your sin remains.”

John 15:22
“If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.”

John 15:24
“If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well.”

Matthew 11:20-24
“Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. Nevertheless I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment, than for you. And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You shall descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day. Nevertheless I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for you.”

Hebrews 10:28-29
How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them.

Romans 1:18-20
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Romans 2:14-15
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them…

"The Word of God" and even the words of Christ certainly speak toward all sin not being equal. On the lightest end of the punishment scale are those who never heard the "truth" and only had the observable universe to speak to them of God. On the more severe end of the scale are those like myself, who have willingly rejected god and all the associated fables.

In Humanity,
Daniel