posted on Jul, 1 2013 @ 04:28 PM
Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by Dragonfly79
This movement indirectly declares all the religious as living in a psychosis and seek to end their delusion by medication, forced if necessary.
This sounds like paranoia to me , can you supply evidence to back up this claim ?
Well besides personal experience, it says so in the DSM book not explicitly but everything seen/heard without a physical cause is an hallucination and
in practice needs to be evaluated to asses dangers to one's well being, or others and several solutions involve drugs.
I don't see psychiatry actively correcting media or advertising/educating the masses about mental illnesses in an attempt to get rid of stigma's
involved, like downplaying certain beliefs like all of the mentally ill are dangerous to society or don't do anything in society work related. The
more people reading about psychiatric illnesses the more they see those illnesses in one another and/or accuse eachother of having ill thoughts the
more people will end up at the psychiatrist believing they have some illness.
If DSM is like the Bible to psychiatrists this is what tells them what to do. Individual psychiatrists can argue amongst eachother I'm sure and I
don't believe they are all the same but new/younger generations do not know how the world was before psychiatry became dominant and I expect them to
be like robots doing their jobs, in fact I can get medication already if I wanted to by just ordering them online after filling in a form which does
get reviewed but not judged in a way medication would be a last option. Point being sometimes people need to hear words of wisdom and insight first
and only after things have been said and done would medication come into the picture. But less people choose that and so there will be less people to
pass those words of wisdom onto the next generation and this is the road we are on.
Basically there are a number of women afraid of bad people wanting to protect their family, then a number of males wanting to protect their women and
family and wanting to make money, there's the media which helps paint the pictures of dangers in the world, then there are a few atheists with
grudges against religions, then there are drugs and it's not difficult to see where that is going when people don't want to spend time learning
about others' faith and learn how to be considerate and understanding so to live in harmony together. Or spend money to help people recover in the
time consuming way, namely therapy instead of just pills and the economic interests have become more and more important over the last few decades.
Which is why I'm also thinking there's a trend of people who don't want others to go explore their minds because it might mean they become unfit
for work or mess themselves or others up, after all it costs society not only when it goes horribly wrong but also producing faith is like producing
hot air, nice for a balloon ride to relax but you can't eat it. In contrast to days before when people would feel it was important to donate to
Church or help out monks and nuns. Spending time on faith doesn't produce immediate visible results like working and producing some product, it's
character building and expressions which all happen on the inside but can be shared by those who know of the same. Nowadays it appears as if people
think we are there and have become an advanced civilization which only produces sane, happy people unless someone chooses the medieval way of life and
In my opinion religion won't end although it may evolve , it seems to me religion or the need for something akin to religion is hardwired into
the human brain so I think your fear is unfounded.,
I believe without religion we wouldn't be here today and the immaterial psyche would have never evolved. Religion gave humanity a chance to express
those immaterial concepts and understand the world that way.
I don't believe my fear is unfounded. My own family had me arrested shortly after I told them of my beliefs. They are atheist previously christian
and wanted me to give it all up so one day when I was visiting them they tried to lock me up while they called the police saying they felt threatened
by me and wanted them to take me to an asylum. They still believe they did the right thing. My family is about as average as it gets, my mother being
convincing in her appearance but really there was and is nothing to worry. If it would happen again then I would call my lawyer and I'm sure I would
be proven innocent but it happened and if I couldn't explain myself back then to the psychiatrists or if they wouldn't have taken me seriously I
would have had forced medication on me I'm sure. They were older psychiatrists and I'm not so sure future generations would listen to a case like