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The Flaw In Your Logic Regarding Homosexuality

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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 01:04 PM
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Children are non consenting.. that is why it is illegal.

Pedophiles do not have "sexual preference," in the same way gays do. That is the first problem with what you are presenting. Since children are considered non-consensual, we cannot see them as a preferential object.

Children cannot fit into a "preference" category, given their non consensual status. So you should reconsider the language you are using to compare gay preference, with pedophilic crime.




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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by tony9802
reply to post by OneManArmy
 



Children are non consenting.. that is why it is illegal.

Pedophiles do not have "sexual preference," in the same way gays do. That is the first problem with what you are presenting. Since children are considered non-consensual, we cannot see them as a preferential object.

Children cannot fit into a "preference" category.




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It depends on which country you are in as to when a child can give consent.
In some countries marriage and sex can happen as young as 8.
So in some countries an 8 yr old can consent. But in others not. Once again its down to the views of society(in whichever country they might reside).
Homosexuality was illegal not so long ago.
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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 01:08 PM
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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by tony9802
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Hi Onemanarmy..

Most pedophiles are heterosexual. Straight men. Not the other way around.


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The homo/hetrosexuality of a paedophile can be either.
Some paedophiles like boys, some like girls.
Try again.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 01:12 PM
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Exactly, I imagine the age of consent in the Middle East is very very low..it does depend on nation and location.


Homosexuality in the USA had been illegal not too long ago.. but like you have stated, in other countries, such as European countries, homosexuality has been legal for a very very long time.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 01:12 PM
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Exactly, I imagine the age of consent in the Middle East is very very low..it does depend on nation and location.


Homosexuality in the USA had been illegal not too long ago.. but like you have stated, in other countries, such as European countries, homosexuality has been legal for a very very long time.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 01:16 PM
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Most pedophiles do not care about the gender of their child victim/subject.


Their attraction to children is not based on the gender of the child. Pedophiles are attracted to "children," and "minors," "innocent little ones." Why? Because they are exactly that- children, easy to manipulate, and easy to control physically.

I do not believe pedophiles look for a gender. I believe they merely look for youthfulness.
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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by OneManArmy

Originally posted by tony9802
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Hi Onemanarmy..

Most pedophiles are heterosexual. Straight men. Not the other way around.


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The homo/hetrosexuality of a paedophile can be either.
Some paedophiles like boys, some like girls.
Try again.


Once again, a male pedophile who selects to victimize a male child, is NOT a homosexual.
Once again, a male pedophile who selects to victimize a male child, is NOT a homosexual.


You would be prioritizing gender over age. The priority is the age of the non-consenting child. The pedophile is attracted to the age of the child, not the gender of the child. Pedophiles want children. They do not care about the gender. If a pedophile chooses to victimize a boy, he does that because it is less obviously far less dangerous to attack a boy than to attack a girl.

He does not attack boys because he is gay. Most Gay folk are not pedophiles.


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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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I will just flat out say it.!! I don't care if I hurt feelings or not!!usually if I do its because Im RIGHT and you know you know you are NOT!!!

BEING GAY IS NOT NATURAL AT ALL IT IS A LEARNED OR SELF TAUGHT BEHAVOR!!
My Logic behind this is very simple!!!! If you Put 2 GAY MEN OR WOMEN on and Island their life will not produce fruit!! their family tree ends with them. If you put 2 HETEROSEXUALs 1 male and 1 female and they are sexually active they have a much better chance at reproducing LOL its that simple Comments and Flamers...LOL please!!



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by StumpDrummer
I will just flat out say it.!! I don't care if I hurt feelings or not!!usually if I do its because Im RIGHT and you know you know you are NOT!!!

BEING GAY IS NOT NATURAL AT ALL IT IS A LEARNED OR SELF TAUGHT BEHAVOR!!
My Logic behind this is very simple!!!! If you Put 2 GAY MEN OR WOMEN on and Island their life will not produce fruit!! their family tree ends with them. If you put 2 HETEROSEXUALs 1 male and 1 female and they are sexually active they have a much better chance at reproducing LOL its that simple Comments and Flamers...LOL please!!


Homosexuality has been observed and recorded in over 50% of all species. I agree with your choice to "dislike" it, but saying it's not natural is incorrect. Unless you consider the homosexuality of monkeys, giraffes, lions, etc. to be products of society... But that's silly.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 01:47 PM
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I was one who said eating offspring is natural for some animals in nature. I don't have a problem with gay people at all. I have a problem with the argument.



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by StumpDrummer
I will just flat out say it.!! I don't care if I hurt feelings or not!!usually if I do its because Im RIGHT and you know you know you are NOT!!!

BEING GAY IS NOT NATURAL AT ALL IT IS A LEARNED OR SELF TAUGHT BEHAVOR!!
My Logic behind this is very simple!!!! If you Put 2 GAY MEN OR WOMEN on and Island their life will not produce fruit!! their family tree ends with them. If you put 2 HETEROSEXUALs 1 male and 1 female and they are sexually active they have a much better chance at reproducing LOL its that simple Comments and Flamers...LOL please!!
I'm not sure if you've taken notice, but I'd say most sex is not happening for the specific act of procreation. It's happening for fun. The same religions that repress homosexuality tend to be down on contraception, masturbation and abortion as well. "No sex for fun, dagnabbit!" I'd say it's more about the creation of more tithe-paying sheep.

Incidentally, was there a point when you learned not to be gay?
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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by LastStarfighter
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I was one who said eating offspring is natural for some animals in nature. I don't have a problem with gay people at all. I have a problem with the argument.


Is consent involved? Or does one party object?

I'm aware we're discussing animals, but the question is legitimate and answerable regardless.
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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 02:07 PM
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Bisexuality has been studied in animals I think everybody has seen 2 male dogs humpin before but ive also seen the same male dog humpin a female dog a few days later!!



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 02:16 PM
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wasn't putting my religious beliefs in my answer at all that has nothing to do with my answer but you make a good remark of learned heterosexuality it is learned from watching my parents behavior grandparents uncles and aunts none of mine were gay at all....my main argument is when I lived next door to a gay kid and actually watched him practicing how to speak and sound and walk like a girl...I don't understand the "acting" part...like I'm a female and Im the guy female so I gotta ACT like a guy dress like a guy wrap my boobs and all that crap if your gay I could care less its the acting like male/female Opposite that cracks me the hell up!!



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 02:19 PM
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Whine Whine Whine who cares!! were all gonna die soon anyways from being forced to eat Monsantos GMO foods



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by StumpDrummer
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Bisexuality has been studied in animals I think everybody has seen 2 male dogs humpin before but ive also seen the same male dog humpin a female dog a few days later!!


I said homosexuality, not bisexuality.




For these animals, there is documented evidence of homosexual behavior of one or more of the following kinds: sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, or parenting, as noted in researcher and author Bruce Bagemihl's 1999 book Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity.





2 Mammals 3 Birds 4 Fish 5 Reptiles 6 Amphibians 7 Insects 8 Other invertebrates 9 See also


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 02:30 PM
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I wonder what the actual percentage rates of homosexuality are in animals verses humans ...Id bet on average its a lot lower I also wonder if they followed these animals for several years to see if any of them ever mated with the opposite sex of their species
can you really imagine the person doing the research on this
I bet he had an exciting life "what are you doing today John..Im going to go watch 2 male Donkeys Hump "
its just too funny...no Gay to think about Pun intended



posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by StumpDrummer
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I wonder what the actual percentage rates of homosexuality are in animals verses humans ...Id bet on average its a lot lower I also wonder if they followed these animals for several years to see if any of them ever mated with the opposite sex of their species
can you really imagine the person doing the research on this
I bet he had an exciting life "what are you doing today John..Im going to go watch 2 male Donkeys Hump "
its just too funny...no Gay to think about Pun intended


Depends on the species. Some had higher rates, some less, some about equal.

They did follow their subjects along.

Not every scientist enjoys his job.


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posted on Jul, 2 2013 @ 02:33 PM
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wasn't putting my religious beliefs in my answer at all that has nothing to do with my answer but you make a good remark of learned heterosexuality it is learned from watching my parents behavior grandparents uncles and aunts none of mine were gay at all
Your 'logic' destroys itself. If being gay is a learned behavior, how do you account for gay kids that come from a family with no gay members? And where did the first gay person 'learn' the behavior from?




....my main argument is when I lived next door to a gay kid and actually watched him practicing how to speak and sound and walk like a girl
Is this any different than the kid who flexes in the mirror and practices acting 'manly'? Nope, sure isnt.




I don't understand the "acting" part
Do you understand it when it is a hetero person that does it (we all see it, everyday)?




..like I'm a female and Im the guy female so I gotta ACT like a guy dress like a guy wrap my boobs and all that crap if your gay I could care less its the acting like male/female Opposite that cracks me the hell up!
So in other words, because they dont fit your idea of the social norm, there is something wrong with them?



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