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BLESSED are those that believe but don't see.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by BlackManINC
This is all beside the point. Back to the topic: why can't God just show himself to us?
1) For reasons unknown, he has decided to cease his interactions with this world and has no intention of resuming at this point in time.
2) Something more powerful than him has prevented further interactions with this world.
3) He doesn't exist. If he ever did exist, he no longer does.
It should be noted that there is little evidence at this point in time to suggest the continuing existence of a god. Even if evidence exists to suggest there was once a god or a consciously ruling divine power actively interacting with this world, such evidence is no longer appearing as a result of current events. And by 'evidence', I mean concrete proof that points directly to, and nowhere other than, a consciously ruling divine power interacting with this world. As such, it can be safely assumed that whatever god past evidence would lead us to believe in, there is nowhere near enough evidence to believe that such a being still exists presently and actively.
With all of that in mind, let's discuss the three options I have listed above, as they fall quite neatly into the situation I just described.edit on 14-8-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by BlackManINC
This is the response I was expected as it’s the same old and tired excuse that all non-believers fall back on, which is inbreeding causing deformities. We are all related to a degree genetically to start with. If your spouse wasn’t related to you, then you have a serious problem as it means you are not married to a human. The biological problems resulting from inbreeding that were later strictly prohibited in the days of Moses concerns close relatives, which is where the defects arrive, the closer the relation, the bigger the risk of deformities overtime. In the early days, however, children born from the union of siblings would not have defects as would surely happen today as Adam and Eve were physically perfect in every way to being with. It was only after the fall of man, when sin entered the world and God placing a curse upon it that everything started to degenerate, and it would take hundreds of years (not a mere fifty years as you propose) for the mistakes of accumulate to a degree that would be a significant risk for siblings to marry. We all have hundreds of these genetic mistakes as a result today, they just don't show themselves in the form of deformities because of our substantially different genetic backgrounds.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by BlackManINC
This is all beside the point. Back to the topic: why can't God just show himself to us?
1) For reasons unknown, he has decided to cease his interactions with this world and has no intention of resuming at this point in time.
2) Something more powerful than him has prevented further interactions with this world.
3) He doesn't exist. If he ever did exist, he no longer does.
It should be noted that there is little evidence at this point in time to suggest the continuing existence of a god. Even if evidence exists to suggest there was once a god or a consciously ruling divine power actively interacting with this world, such evidence is no longer appearing as a result of current events. And by 'evidence', I mean concrete proof that points directly to, and nowhere other than, a consciously ruling divine power interacting with this world. As such, it can be safely assumed that whatever god past evidence would lead us to believe in, there is nowhere near enough evidence to believe that such a being still exists presently and actively.
With all of that in mind, let's discuss the three options I have listed above, as they fall quite neatly into the situation I just described.edit on 14-8-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Is no one interested in answering this post?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by vethumanbeing
All three options cannot simultaneously be true.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by veteranhumanbeing
Your fourth option is also invalid. I would say that no being as ever existed in the capacity commonly ascribed to the Abrahamic god.
Of course not, you would have to have a belief system in place; or a desire to read scripture. I Have NIETHER. You cannot propose notions out of thin air and not defend theyre authenticity; which is exactly what you have done.
1) For reasons unknown, he has decided to cease his interactions with this world and has no intention of resuming at this point in time.
2) Something more powerful than him has prevented further interactions with this world.
3) He doesn't exist. If he ever did exist, he no longer does.
4. Either God does not exist and we invented IT or it exists within us and were not told so (point being? the grand joke played upon humanity) punchline delayed. I agree with all three of your assesments. Nothing makes any sense other than there is a reason why we are here and it escapes me.
veteranhumanbeing
Of course not, you would have to have a belief system in place; or a desire to read scripture. I Have NIETHER. You cannot propose notions out of thin air and not defend theyre authenticity; which is exactly what you have done.
afterinfinity
I disagree. You are just unable to discern the difference.
Here are the three options I offered previously:
1) For reasons unknown, he has decided to cease his interactions with this world and has no intention of resuming at this point in time.2) Something more powerful than him has prevented further interactions with this world.3) He doesn't exist. If he ever did exist, he no longer does.
This is the fourth option that you provided in addition to the three above:
4. Either God does not exist and we invented IT or it exists within us and were not told so (point being? the grand joke played upon humanity) punchline delayed. I agree with all three of your assesments. Nothing makes any sense other than there is a reason why we are here and it escapes me.
Options 1 and 2 require the existence of a god, and are differentiated in that 1 constitutes willing abandonment and 2 constitutes unwilling abandonment. Option 3 allows for either an imagined god or a dead god. Your option, option 4, is redundant as it is essentially the same as my option 3.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
1) For reasons unknown, he has decided to cease his interactions with this world and has no intention of resuming at this point in time.
2) Something more powerful than him has prevented further interactions with this world.
3) He doesn't exist. If he ever did exist, he no longer does.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
1) For reasons unknown, he has decided to cease his interactions with this world and has no intention of resuming at this point in time.
2) Something more powerful than him has prevented further interactions with this world.
3) He doesn't exist. If he ever did exist, he no longer does.
itisnowagain
God is 'that which is' - God is this moment that is actually appearing to exist as well as that which sees it.
Presence never ceases to exist but it is missed because of the obsession with 'next' and 'before'. The belief in time has got one lost.God is not in the past or the future. Past and future are concepts arising in God.
God is all seeing, all knowing and ever present.
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
I would imagine you are speaking of GOD IN THE MOMENT, niether past or future. The moment part is instantaineous RECOGNITION. Proceedence/presidence IS what is missed in the moment, your ability to recognise yourself observing within a construct YOU (sitting in a chair, contemplating a sunset). Time only exists here as a blanket of security, whats for breakfast, when is the alarm set to wake up to; a 'thing to distract' keep busy managing, TIME, what is it exactly, something the human constructed to not have to recognise a greater force at work. Who would ever have thought that invention could be so detrimental to NATURAL PROCESSES (but so it is), nature has a clock that supersedes any humans and within that clock exists a God force/form.edit on 16-8-2013 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by veteranhumanbeing
I would imagine you are speaking of GOD IN THE MOMENT, niether past or future. The moment part is instantaineous RECOGNITION. Proceedence/presidence IS what is missed in the moment, your ability to recognise yourself observing within a construct YOU (sitting in a chair, contemplating a sunset). Time only exists here as a blanket of security, whats for breakfast, when is the alarm set to wake up to; a 'thing to distract' keep busy managing, TIME, what is it exactly, something the human constructed to not have to recognise a greater force at work. Who would ever have thought that invention could be so detrimental to NATURAL PROCESSES (but so it is), nature has a clock that supersedes any humans and within that clock exists a God force/form.edit on 16-8-2013 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)
There is only ever what is happening. The forming is forming - it can form as words. But there is nothing separate from the form.God is this - nothing and everything. God is the aware space in which all arises. In/on God concepts (words and ideas) are formed as well as colour, sound, taste and touch. Emptiness is forming.
Past and future are concepts that arise now. Presence is where it all happens - all ideas of past and future arise presently.
Time is what makes for insecurity. Time implies beginning and ending - fear happens when there is an idea that time will annihilate you. The idea of time is also the idea of birth and death.
Presence is not in time - and you may discover that you are always present. Presence is timelessly being this. Life is alive now not later or before.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by veteranhumanbeing
I already answered your question. Look back through my posts. Also, I don't care to argue semantics with you, so you're just going to have to let it go.
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by veteranhumanbeing
I would imagine you are speaking of GOD IN THE MOMENT, niether past or future. The moment part is instantaineous RECOGNITION. Proceedence/presidence IS what is missed in the moment, your ability to recognise yourself observing within a construct YOU (sitting in a chair, contemplating a sunset). Time only exists here as a blanket of security, whats for breakfast, when is the alarm set to wake up to; a 'thing to distract' keep busy managing, TIME, what is it exactly, something the human constructed to not have to recognise a greater force at work. Who would ever have thought that invention could be so detrimental to NATURAL PROCESSES (but so it is), nature has a clock that supersedes any humans and within that clock exists a God force/form.edit on 16-8-2013 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)
There is only ever what is happening. The forming is forming - it can form as words. But there is nothing separate from the form.God is this - nothing and everything. God is the aware space in which all arises. In/on God concepts (words and ideas) are formed as well as colour, sound, taste and touch. Emptiness is forming.
Past and future are concepts that arise now. Presence is where it all happens - all ideas of past and future arise presently.
Time is what makes for insecurity. Time implies beginning and ending - fear happens when there is an idea that time will annihilate you. The idea of time is also the idea of birth and death.
Presence is not in time - and you may discover that you are always present. Presence is timelessly being this. Life is alive now not later or before.
What is happening is forming NOW. It can be words which then become ideaforms that can manifest and become static solid matter. I always knew that the universe was formed of 2 things, color and sound frequency that spectrum which are not solid matter, just frequency transmuted with some other gaseous elements. Where does God hide? It doesnt. IT IN YOUR FACE. I agree with time implying a beginning and an ending, what greater fear for the human to have to endure this idea "assured bodily death with no gaurantee that the eternal exists for the spirit (faith based)". Its ridiculous to imagine we are left in the dark without a manual to the HUMANBEING 101. Personally, time is falling away for me, days appointments, commitments..are not necessary anymore, some call it living on "native American Time" NO TIME other than the one you are living in the moment; and its a strangely beautiful realization (to understand not having to be BOUND BY LINEAR TIME CONSTRAINTS) that I am in charge of my in total present MOMENTS.edit on 17-8-2013 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)