Collapse of Building in Philadelphia product of the Porn film industry Curse?

Was the ownership of this building a possible cause of the casualty? is it a bad omen? and if that is the case what is this telling to us? is possible God trying to say to us something?

No.

You'd realize that if buildings fell around where porn happens, half of the USA would be collapsed by now from the porn watching on computers, and places like Las Vegas and Amsterdam would be dust. They aren't. Consider thyself rebuked
reply to post by Sandalphon


Interesting reply, please take in account that those are your own words, not mine, so if something else coming after this do not blame me please, remember your exact own words.

Of course, it is never God who punish really, it is the actually curse that certain actions the one that carry out tragedies or calamities. God is a natural source of protection against what ever is evil, if you remove it you don't have anymore protection against a lot of terrible things.

The Invocation of God is like a gentle fire that you light in the middle of the woods, on camping, to give you light and also to scare the savage predators to come close to you. While the fire is burning you can be sure that neither the Bears, Snakes or the Pumas or the Coyotes or wolves are going to attack you, but if the wind blows strong enough and suffocate that fire and no body light it again, well, other very different will be the end of the story.

Today we know that the area of Sodom and Gomorrah in the dead sea is located over a very volcanic region, that was pretty much active during centuries, even there was an important source of natural asphalt and sulfur in that site, exploiting along centuries by the Egyptians.

The archaeologists as well as the geologists are so surprised that two cities might be able to be built and survive for long time in that place, because they were literally living over a Volcano on one of the most active tectonic fractures on the face of earth. Perhaps the divine protection over Lot and his family was after all the only factor that made this possible, that might be the only logical explanation.

Pls read:
ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com...
www.amazinghope.net...
www.lexiline.com...

There is nothing of original into blame God or his messengers of tragedies, this was done since the beginning of time for the people that don't understand and do not know at all who is really God, moreover for the ones are living in spiritual darkness.

Again, very interesting comment.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

St Luke 13:2-4.

"Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than all the other people from Galilee?" Not at all! And you will perish, too, unless you repent of your sins and turn to God. Jesus asked. "Is that why they suffered? And what about the eighteen people who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will perish, too."

The building collapsed onto the Salvation Army Thrift Store next door with an ominous rumble, witnesses said.
For real the original pious standpoint to support a tragedy has reached idiotic proportions.reply to post by Sandalphon


Yes, definitively among all the ones that came running to reply here you were the most inspired, I am delighted with your so interesting answers.

There was a Salvation Army Next door, but inside a building owned by a person that of course nothing had to do with that organization, nothing more than to be leasing to them. They were in the wrong place in the wrong moment, that is sure.

So the Lord of the land was a Sinner, and not because I say so, because that is what the standards of God clearly state.

Possibly we are so accustomed to live surrounded by Pornography that there is too much people that even do not see clearly how evil its influence can be, we have developed certain level of tolerance to it, isn't it?.

Tolerance is a word that has became very popular in our days, everybody request Tolerance, but Tolerance for what? that is the really important point, because sometimes it seems that there is who ask for tolerance to light one candle to God and other to the Devil, isn't it?

This kind of perverted Tolerance might include even good will people, although I am wondering what this people might be thinking every day they were watching the kind of business they had next door?

We are living in the time of the moral relativisms , in which even the virtues can be perverted:

Accept Pornography in any place isn't a perverted sense of Tolerance?
Accept Abortion isn't a perverted sense of women self determination?
Accept Euthanasia isn't a perverted form of Mercy?.
Accept antireligious propaganda isn't a perverted way of Free speech?.
Accept Adultery and fornication as a way of life isn't a perverted sense of personal Freedom?.


Let us assume that all the people working for the Salvation Army Shop were really absolutely innocent, it is really sad and alarming that they resulted terribly affected by this tragedy isn't it?, but what happened to the wife of Lot according with the Bible?

A lot of people here are answering a definitive NO to my questions, but I am not enough convinced that they are correct.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

Genesis 19, 18 - 26
But Lot said to them, “No, my lords, please! 19 Your[c] servant has found favor in your[d] eyes, and you[e] have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can’t flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I’ll die. 20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it—it is very small, isn’t it? Then my life will be spared.”

21 He said to him, “Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. 22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it.” (That is why the town was called Zoar.[f])

23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

Well, if a couple people getting hurt in a building collapse is the wrath of God, he doesn't seem very scary. reply to post by trollz


Dear trollz,

Well possible this seems as a "small" casualty , according with your very personal standards of what is alarming or what it is not, and I respect your opinion, after all this is a very open thread in which anybody can come and give an opinion on the topic in discussion, but I think you must read this that is below, there is some one before you that in the past also thought exactly as you are now doing.

Pls read:
www.eyewitnesstohistory.com...
tentmaker.org...
en.wikipedia.org...(70)

I sincerely hope that your words might not be taking so much seriously above, because if that is the case I am afraid possibly somebody here is going to repent to have told that. You are practically tempting God power.

Thanks for your comment,

The Angel of Lightness

St.Luke 21:
“When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, know that its desolation is at hand.o 21Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains. Let those within the city escape from it, and let those in the countryside not enter the city,p 22for these days are the time of punishment when all the scriptures are fulfilled. 23Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days, for a terrible calamity will come upon the earth and a wrathful judgment upon this people.q 24They will fall by the edge of the sword
and be taken as captives to all the Gentiles; and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles* are fulfilled."

St. Luke 23:27-31
A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. Jesus turned and said to them, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children.
For the time will come when you will say, 'Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!'
Then "'they will say to the mountains, "Fall on us!" and to the hills, "Cover us!"'
For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?"

So your "God" made innocent people suffer for something that happened long ago and they had no part in?
Now you see why I shun religion?
reply to post by DAVID64


LONG AGO:

Sir, we are talking of Pornography in our time, I think you have misunderstood what is the issue here.

Second, I am not claiming nothing, I am just asking some interesting questions that I believe somebody somewhere must have answers to.

If you don't have the answer I sincerely do not know why you are coming here to express your rejection to Religion.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

I wouldn't want to be lumped in with a group of insane cultists whose entire lives are based on misinterpretations of myths reply to post by centhwevir1979


Who is arranging any Cult here? I think you are too much paranoiac, Please control your very personal fears about strange cults, there is no cult at all here my friend, just only some very simple questions to be answered.

By the way , why don't you read a little more about the historic circumstances mentioned here, they are not as mythic as you believe. What are your sources to claim that was just a Myth? are you reading the so serious research on this of Mr. Devil, perhaps?

Pls read:
s8int.com...

voices.yahoo.com...

www.bib-arch.org...

www.youtube.com...


Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

You say you are asking for answers to your questions yet the only one that can answer your questions would be what you call God. Unless you think your God is actually on this forum as a registered or anon member then you can't possibly accept any answer anyone here gives. Why did you even ask the question if it is impossible for anyone to answer, nor will you accept any answer as you believe you are righteous in your words and only your God can reveal these answers to you?

Was the ownership of this building a possible cause of the casualty? is it a bad omen? and if that is the case what is this telling to us? is possible God trying to say to us something? what else is coming to the places in the country that are related, owned or used by the Pornographic Industry in the future?

My answer to your questions: No, the ownership was not a possible cause of the casualty, a condemned building that was being demo'd incorrectly was the cause. The people doing the demo were the cause. God was a bit late if he had wanted to punish the owner or the original store as they were gone already so God killed innocent people that had nothing to do with the porn store.

He is not telling us anything. Does your God work on such a tiny scale as to believe that a store falling down that used to be owned by a porn king would resonate ANYWHERE in the world? After destroying entire cities for similar reasons do you really think a store falling down would be news anywhere but in the US or have any lasting effects on anyone else in the world, to the point a prophet or religious holy man would write it down for those to read about thousands of years in the future?

Nothing is coming to the porn industry except more money...just like the gambling industry. In order for that to happen, I would guess that most every household in the world would have to be destroyed. So no....I don't think the accident that happened has anything to do with a God or Porn....it was an accident.

Hey if you claim your god did it I am not going to argue but I don’t want any part of that religion. Sounds like a real SOB.

reply to post by Grimpachi


Again, Grimpachi, I am not claiming nothing here, I am just trying to find answers to questions that emerge from very interesting synchronicities that are present in this case, that is all.

You need to find somebody else to continue your fight against religion.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

Nothing is coming to the porn industry except more money...just like the gambling industry. In order for that to happen, I would guess that most every household in the world would have to be destroyed. reply to post by Vasa Croe


You are answer is respectable of course, this is a very open thread as I have told in various replies, but are you aware that this last reply of yourself sounds a little funny, it seems you are either the devils attorney here or trying to find followers for some kind of PORN cult in America.

How can you say so sure that nothing, but money, is going to come to Porn Industry in America?

It seems that you are trying to put yourself in the place of God, NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN ( or COMING TO THE PORN INDUSTRY EXCEPT MORE MONEY), is a very strong statement, even hilarious, perhaps something after all WILL HAPPEN and you are going to be forced to eat your own words.

Your post looks really arrogant, I don't know if you are aware of that but it is important that somebody tell you that.

Again, there is nothing original in your answer, as some others already posted you are tempting God to see if He does really Something BIG isn't it?

That is a way of thinking that is pretty old in America, the same was said by who worked for the White Star Line Company about 101 years ago about the unsinkable Titanic, my friend,

Pls read:www.wired.com...

www.archives.gov...

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

"Not even God himself could sink this ship."
-- Employee of the White Star Line, at the
launch of the Titanic, May 31, 1911

Originally posted by The angel of light
reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

Your post looks really arrogant, I don't know if you are aware of that but it is important that somebody tell you that.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

I am not the one claiming to speak directly to God....

And no...I am not being arrogant. Besides what you read in a bible please tell me one single story that you can relate directly to your God's work. I am not talking about self interpretation, but an actual event directly related to your God that has taken place....one that you can show beyond a shadow of a doubt that your God had a direct hand in. You are simply taking things in a book as a literal word. Faith is not an answer, but it is a VERY commonly overused excuse for not having a real answer.

It seems that you are trying to put yourself in the place of God, NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN is a very strong statement, perhaps something happen and you are going to be forced to eat your own words.

Perhaps something will happen in which case I will eat my words, but the same applies to you. In my case I have plenty of history of nothing happening on my side.....you have a single book based in ancient history of which no actual story can be validated as having occurred as it was said to and with direct intervention by your God....only hearsay and faith.

Originally posted by The angel of light
Nothing is coming to the porn industry except more money...just like the gambling industry. In order for that to happen, I would guess that most every household in the world would have to be destroyed. reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

That is a way of thinking that is pretty old in America, the same was said by who worked for the White Star Line Company about 101 years ago about the unsinkable Titanic, my friend,

Pls read:www.wired.com...

www.archives.gov...

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

"Not even God himself could sink this ship."
-- Employee of the White Star Line, at the
launch of the Titanic, May 31, 1911

edit on 7/1/2013 by The angel of light because: (no reason given)

My way of thinking is old? You are quoting a Bible that was written when? And basing your belief on what? It is quite impossible to answer or argue with someone who can't see the trees for the forest. Your blind faith in your God is blinding you to what the reality of our world actually holds. It holds you back from opening your eyes to the true beauty of what is right in front of you. It allows you to discriminate and contradict yourself without reprieve or reprimand because your excuse will always be faith.

He is not telling us anything. Does your God work on such a tiny scale as to believe that a store falling down that used to be owned by a porn king would resonate ANYWHERE in the world? After destroying entire cities for similar reasons do you really think a store falling down would be news anywhere but in the US or have any lasting effects on anyone else in the world, to the point a prophet or religious holy man would write it down for those to read about thousands of years in the future? reply to post by Vasa Croe


Sorry Dear Vasa Croe,

You miss the point long time ago, the answer of your last question is contained in a quote I posted several replies ago, but here it is again since I believe you need to read it.

Who said that was in his time known just a simple Carpenter that only God can tell us how was possible that suddenly he became a great Jewish Prophet, without any formal education, about 2000 thousand Years ago, but moreover, also only the divine intervention can explain too how after he suffered a terrible death, treated as a criminal, rejected by the principals of his own nation, today more than 2 billion people of any race around the world follow him as the Son of God.

That Is a miracle by itself, even if you do not want believe to any of the wonders he publically did in his time.

St Luke 13:2-4.
"Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than all the other people from Galilee?" Not at all! And you will perish, too, unless you repent of your sins and turn to God. Jesus asked. "Is that why they suffered? And what about the eighteen people who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will perish, too."

Many of he people that listened these words around the 30 A.C suffered the terrible siege of Jerusalem, the destruction of their city, the massive deportation that the survivals experienced, being sold a slaves around all the Roman world.

The accomplishment of that prophecy of Christ happened in the three Jewish rebellions occurred on 66 AC, 115 AC and 132 AC, when practically the same principals of Israel that accused falsely Jesus to be a Subversive against the Romans, just to have an excuse to kill him, proclaimed a false Messiah to drive their entire nation to three wars that finished in the most horrendous fiasco starting for all of them an exile of 19 centuries.

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

I still think, in spite of all what it is said, that is more likely that a curse carried out over the people due their own evilness and sins release tragedies that to blame God of it.

Thanks for your replies,

The Angel of Lightness

St Matthew 27:24-26
When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!"
And all the people yelled back, "We will take responsibility for his death--we and our children!"
So Pilate released Barabbas to them. He ordered Jesus flogged with a lead-tipped whip, then turned him over to the Roman soldiers to be crucified.

reply to post by The angel of light


I don't believe in curses.. Or divine retribution.

If it were divine retribution, why is god so selective about who is punished when many evil people do much worse things than get filmed having sex and walk away free?

I do agree with your assessment that porn is a harmful industry to our youth. However I also don't believe in a religious view of sexuality.

reply to post by The angel of light


How is any of that an answer to my question of a tiny store falling down being related to an act of God? You are talking about MAJOR battles in history...this was a tiny store that collapsed. By this line of thinking you can claim any death was an act of God simply because at some point in a person's life they have sinned. Had they not then they would not die....ever.

Your answers are simply regurgitated bible verses with no critical thought involved. Why have a brain that is capable of such thought? Why create a single entity that does not completely conform to your God's standard of living? Would that imply that it is simply for your God's entertainment just to see who makes it in the wash at the end?

How is any of that an answer to my question of a tiny store falling down being related to an act of God? You are talking about MAJOR battles in history...this was a tiny store that collapsed.reply to post by Vasa Croe


Again Vasa Croe,

I do not want to say nothing that offend your self stem, but I am surprised of how slow are you to realize that the tower that collapsed on the days Christ arrived to Jerusalem to affront his death is even not mentioned on our days but just for his own words, that was a pretty insignificant event isn't it?, the tower might be perhaps same size or even smaller than the building that collapsed in Philadelphia.

St Luke 13:2-4.
"Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than all the other people from Galilee?" Not at all! And you will perish, too, unless you repent of your sins and turn to God. Jesus asked. "Is that why they suffered? And what about the eighteen people who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will perish, too."

Pls read how big was the tower of Siloam on those days:

en.wikipedia.org...

dqhall59.com...


It is almost unbelievable that your almost blind Atheistic stubbornness can't allow you to see that I have already answered to your question three times with a very pertinent example.

Open your eyes and read that only paragraph of the gospel of St Luke, that I have quoted, that is the answer to your question.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

Originally posted by The angel of light
How is any of that an answer to my question of a tiny store falling down being related to an act of God? You are talking about MAJOR battles in history...this was a tiny store that collapsed.reply to post by Vasa Croe

 

Pls read how big was the tower of Siloam on those days:

en.wikipedia.org...

dqhall59.com...


It is almost unbelievable that your almost blind Atheistic stubbornness can't allow you to see that I have already answered to your question three times with a very pertinent example.

Open your eyes and read that only paragraph of the gospel of St Luke, that I have quoted, that is the answer to your question.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

edit on 7/1/2013 by The angel of light because: (no reason given)

They don't even know where the Tower of Siloam was much less how big it was. Per the article you linked they are "speculating" everything they are saying about it.

As well as this quote:

The tower of Siloam mentioned in the Gospels may have been much higher than an already high wall as it was described as very formidable not needing any additional walls behind it as the steep slope below it added to its stature.

So they build the tallest tower on a steep slope....sounds more like poor engineering than an act of God. But maybe the engineer was God's messenger right....maybe God told him to build it on that slope so it would fall and kill 18 people....

How are you even linking this with that biblical story? Was the owner of the Tower of Siloam a Porn King? If not then there are PLENTY of other buildings in the world that have fallen over many centuries....tell me what buildings all of them related to from the bible. If you can't, then why would this one be significant? Why aren't the other buildings that have fallen been significant?

If you throw enough $*^% at a wall I guess some eventually sticks huh?

reply to post by The angel of light


Now hold a second The Angel of Light.
Unless you have discovered what Jesus was doing in the 20 (ish) years of his life that the bible does not chronicle, you cannot know what education he had. I will also point out that 2 billion people is less than 30% of the global population.

In response to your OP: First I would say that God showed mercy by allowing most to survive.
Second in regards to:

Pornographic industry in America, although supposedly tolerated as a legal entertainment, is linked with the spread of propaganda promoting a lot of sinful activities like promiscuity among people of all sexual preferences, as well as adultery or even prostitution and of course the systematic exaltation of fornication as a way of life.

Christianity is also linked with the spread of propaganda, and a lot of sinful activities like promiscuity among people of all sexual preferences, as well as adultery and even prostitution.

That this building collapsed I would more accurately say is because of

a construction crew member who was allegedly operating a crane under the influence of marijuana and painkillers when the building's wall fell down.

abcnews.go.com...

than anything God may be trying to tell us.

reply to post by randomtangentsrme


Dear randomtangentsrme,

what are your sources of the life of Christ? if you are talking about the four Synoptic gospels there is nothing over there about any special education of Jesus, there can be a gap of some years in between his adolescence and the 30 years he had when he started his public life, but the gap is already covered with great amplitude of details in the minor gospels of the tradition of the Catholic Church , also known as deuterocanonical books of the Coptic and Orthodox churches, named by the protestants as Apocrypha.

Those books, which reading is considered reserved for scholars and theologians in the Catholic church as well as in the Orthodox and Eastern ones, contain about no less than 28 complete gospels, plus other two dozens of dialogs of Christ and references of his teachings.

Pls read:
en.wikipedia.org...

There is nothing in none of those sources that show that Christ had the education of a Great Priest of Israel, or a Doctor of the Law, that more or less what the level of knowledge he had according with historical accounts.

Besides that Titus Flavius Josephus (37 – c. 100), the most reliable not Christian Historian of the epoch says nothing about a supposed high education that Christ could have, and he must know certainly of that since he was not only his contemporary but also governor of Galilee, the same region which Christ grew up.

Pls read:
en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Thanks for your comment,

The Angel of Lightness

Originally posted by The angel of light
reply to post by randomtangentsrme

 

Dear randomtangentsrme,

what are your sources of the life of Christ? if you are talking about the four Synoptic gospels there is nothing over there about any special education of Jesus, there can be a gap of some years in between his adolescence and the 30 years he had when he started his public life, but the gap is already covered with great amplitude of details in the minor gospels of the tradition of the Catholic Church , also known as deuterocanonical books of the Coptic and Orthodox churches, named by the protestants as Apocrypha.

Those books, which reading is considered reserved for scholars and theologians in the Catholic church as well as in the Orthodox and Eastern ones, contain about no less than 28 complete gospels, plus other two dozens of dialogs of Christ and references of his teachings.

Pls read:
en.wikipedia.org...

There is nothing in none of those sources that show that Christ had the education of a Great Priest of Israel, or a Doctor of the Law, that more or less what the level of knowledge he had according with historical accounts.

Besides that Titus Flavius Josephus (37 – c. 100), the most reliable not Christian Historian of the epoch says nothing about a supposed high education that Christ could have, and he must know certainly of that since he was not only his contemporary but also governor of Galilee, the same region which Christ grew up.

Pls read:
en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Thanks for your comment,

The Angel of Lightness

If you're asking for my religious pedigree here it is in a nutshell:
I'm the child of an ex-nun, and by default my upbringing was very Catholic.
I've spent 20 years as a church musician (and business manager for the band) playing through most Christian denominations, and have seen the politics and bureaucracy of organized religion.

I am familiar with the Apocrypha, although I have not spent a long time perusing them. I certainly do not remember the Apocrypha specifically suggesting that the records there are of Jesus' life from 13-30. Please point me in the direction of those that do.

As you bring up education again here's a link for education in biblical times:
www.studylight.org...

The writings of Titus Flavius Josephus has been called into question many times in regards to Jesus, and he was not a contemporary of Jesus. They were not alive at the same time.

Would you care to comment on the rest of my post or are you more interested in discussing religion than the topic of your own thread?

God is very prevalent in the porn industry, in fact participants invoke his name quite often. The movies I watch usually has the exclamation "Oh God" a few times.