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Originally posted by FreeThinkerIdealist
Cat Stevens and Cacius Clay were muslims ... they followed islam. You say no need to understand the whole but your last words need to be more of the outlook ... how 'THAT man', not the religion as a whole.
If we were to take your approach, we can reword your statement as follows:
Screw that! No one needs to try to understand christianity. they could preach peach and love all day long, but if they are molesting boys, worshipping idols, and coveting goods while people starve, while also preaching hate and acting divisive to society as a whole; well those actions speak loud and clear on how THAT man interprets his own holy texts.
When you twist everything around to fit a hateful agenda, you are just breeding more hate. When you choose ignorance over knowledge, you add to the downfall of humanity. You cannot chastise hate while spouting it.
so basically what you are trying to say is Islam is wrong just because its followers are wrong? with that line of thinking, i guess then Christianity and Judaism both are wrong as their followers are misinterpreting their own books too. You agree?
Originally posted by ak1409
reply to post by wildtimes
so now if you take a ferrari down the road and bang it up, its nt ur fault but ferraris fault, coz the car can be used for causing an accident and causing deaths eventually.. isnt that so? nice logic bro.. anythng and evrythng can be twisted and moulded to use in a negative way.. u use a knife to cut vegetables at home, bt u can use it to kill someone.. water is the most essential part of life, yet it can be used to drown someone.. so i guess water should be erased off the face of the earth coz its a tool to kill as well..
flaws that allow individuals to read hatred into their own scripture.
He it is Who has
sent down to
thee the Book: In
it are verses basic
(of established meaning); they
foundation of the
Book: others are
those in whose hearts is
the part thereof
that is allegorical,
and searching for its hidden
meanings, but no
one knows its
And those who are firmly
"We believe in
the Book; the
whole of it is from our Lord:"
and none will
but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah.
and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Is the book for allah or for the people???
Is the book for a few smart people or
for all the people? Doesn't all-knowing
allah know how to talk to an idiot?
78. And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book, but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.
its stupid if you have an ego and think that you can(have the ability to) understand everything. That statement is teaching humility and thats the reason why people of understanding while giving interpretion of the Qur'an clear that "Allah knows best"
The world wouldn't be better without religion.
It would possibly be worse as people would do everything possible to make their own life better even at the expense of hurting others as they wouldn't be following all the good religious teachings too.
That logic has a gaping flaw.
Wars were started and millions killed in the name of spreading freedom and democracy so by that logic democracy should be wiped out.
3:7- He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book:
AL-BAQARA (THE COW), SHAKIR text:
Alif Lam Mim.
2 This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who guard (against evil).
3 Those who believe in the unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them.
4 And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are sure of the hereafter.
5 These are on a right course from their Lord and these it is that shall be successful.
6 Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.
7 Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.
. . .
Surah 3 YUSUFALI text
1 A. L. M.
2 Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal.
3 It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).
What book? I thought Qur'an was a recitation from an angel to be recited by the prophet to people. Did the angel hand a book to the prophet, or did the third Caliph compile the book?
"By the Book that makes
things clear – Indeed, We sent it down
on a blessed night, for surely We are
ever warning, by a command, from Our
presence, For We (ever) send
(revelations) as Mercy from your Lord: for He hears and knows (all
things)." [Sûrah al-Dukhkhân: 2-5]
Just copying this down made me more
confused. Is it that Allah has set a seal
upon my heart and upon my hearing
and there is a covering over my eyes,
and there is a great punishment for
me? What am I to do about the Torah? What is the Criterion? Obviously I'm
What good is it for a god to know best when not everyone can understand his message. That's utterly absurd.
everyone understands the basic message and should try to follow those basics
reply to post by logical7
The whole moral teaching in the verse is directed at making the reader humble when using reason.
What do you say of the double slit experiment when single photons produced an interference pattern hinting that that each photon passed through both slits? Now that must be absurd to you. Right?
Qur'an is a Book sent down at once till the lowest Heaven and from there it was brought down by the angel part by part to Prophet Muhammad pbuh over a period of 23 years.
Its Allah who guides when He wishes you have no power to even believe. Want to prove that wrong and believe?
The Statement only bothers people who think they have any control over anything.
What is the basic message? Is it love and understanding and forgiveness? If so, do you honestly think that mankind is so stupid that we couldn't have come up with this on our own?