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The 10 Commandments that stand inside our Supreme Court Building are a Christian symbol, but hold the values common to civilized society the world over. Nowhere do they state WHICH God may be the specific God referred to, as it should be.
Originally posted by xuenchen
Are these 'oaths' that include 'God' all 'laws' ?
Are they acts of government (Federal, State, Local) ?
Who decides what an 'oath' encompasses ?
You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
You well know I advocate for fewer laws.
There goes Freedom of Religion right there.
There goes any religion that uses idols, as well as certain covered free speech.
There goes freedom of speech all together.
That can't be good for the economy.
What if my parent's beat or raped me?
It wasn't long ago that in Texas a man could still kill his wife if she were cheating on him.
Someone should really tell the banks and corporations bout that one!
So the founding fathers knew what they were talking about with the 2nd, but not the 1st? They had separation of church and state all wrong?
God should be removed from anything to do with the government, that includes the phrase 'so help me God'. The wall separating Church and State is crumbling and we need to not let it fall. Of all the BS that has come out of Eric Holder's DOJ, this is one I can actually agree with. The Federal government has no business supporting groups that reference any God. Our Founding Fathers intended for people to have the liberty to worship or not worship as they pleased, they intended both freedom of and freedom from religion and they were adamant that God had no place government.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
President Barack Obama expressed gratitude to the members of military families who have sacrificed to defend the "God-given rights" of Americans
Not really considering another hot topic
Government and it's false prophets telling people to put it above anything else now all rights in this country come from Nature's laws, Gods laws government is a usurper of those rights.
"separation of church and state" doesn't ever appear in the constitution
the founders did not want political POWER and religious POWER to coincide in ONE group. their fear was having the rulers of the land also be head of the church.
President Barack Obama expressed gratitude to the members of military families who have sacrificed to defend the "God-given rights" of Americans
cnsnews.com...
WHAT?! he mentioned god, IMPEACH HIM!!! he's becoming a god-king!
Your point being ... ?
In other words, separation of church and state... they also wanted the government to be free of influence from the Church as well as immune to petitioning by the Church.
What difference does it make to note that Obama said God-given rights?
Originally posted by neo96
I want some freedom from the DOJ and the rest of the tyrannical despots killing god to become gods.
because obama referenced god. the youth programs reference god. you cannot hold that one should go on the (misbegotten) principle of "separation of church and state", but the other should stay; they both equally reference god, ergo your call to end one over the other is hypocritical.
Spot on neo, thats where this is headed. Wont it be the sad day when the beast replaces God. Of course, the remaining sheep will be led out to green pastures, where they will be slaugtered.
When did I say the other should stay? Neither is acceptable in my opinion, nor is swearing into office on a Religious book, nor swearing to tell the truth so help you God in a court of law.
And for the record, I neglected to add this in my last post... I do believe in God and have no issue with Religion whatsoever. My issue is when Religion crosses into government or vice versa.
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
is this group seeking to use religion to grab political power? no, not in the slightest. they merely have god (which you accept exists) mentioned in a pledge.
edit on 30-6-2013 by Bob Sholtz because: (no reason given)
I think you are kidding yourself. This group is a part of the culture that already HAS the political power, and they are defending it tooth and nail. If they didn't already have the power, this issue would never have come up.
to suggest that people holding political power shouldn't mention god, and that government should never acknowledge it's existence.