reply to post by stutteringp0et
How far do you take the argument? How many edged weapon deaths were there before edged weapons were invented, sold, distributed? Range weapons, fire,
clubs, bare hands, water, poison, gravity? Gravity can't be outlawed, can they ban people from being in high places?
For as many reasons as there are to kill, there are ways to kill. It doesn't matter what weapon you take away, another will take its place if someone
really wants to kill.
As I said I am for gun rights. I grew up in the country with dozens of guns and I was trained in target shooting, hunting, and most importantly gun
. The first thing I ever learned about guns was that you never point them at people.
In any case, the arguments that gun advocates disseminate sometimes is entirely absurd. Also the argument that anti-gun advocates spew is equally
sometimes more absurd.
My point, was that looking at guns like they are some life saving tool is bordering on the absurd line. And no one needs to constantly hear how a gun
nut thinks a gun is going to save them certain death.
2a. Criminal decides to target my home.
3a. Police are notified.
4a. I (my wife, my daughter, my son) defend our home, criminal dies. 1 life lost, 4 immediate lives saved, countless future victims saved.
5a. Police arrive after the conflict is over.
Just as easily.
1. Criminal decides to target your home.
2. You pull out a gun and the criminal shoots you.
(Good example was the Chris Dormer case where he tied didn't harm anyone besides LEOs that he was targeting. He got into a confrontation with someone
and didn't do anything to them. The LEOs are tasked with finding and stopping him, not the average citizen.
1. You mistaken a normal person for a criminal.
2. That person is dead.
You could keep going on with these scenarios. For as many times you hear about someone saving a life with a gun, how many times do we hear about
someone taking one?
But, some rational person might think to themselves now... Boncho, you said you were for gun rights
but you don't sound like it! Like I said,
raised around guns and knew how to respect them. I subsequently moved to the city and out of all the people I've met, I'd say 95% should never even be
allowed in the same room as a firearm. I don't own any now, I have no use or them. I'm not competitive in sport shooting anymore and I have absolutely
for a gun.
In a situation where I was threatened with one, I would expect my wits to get me out of it. That's it. That's what I rely on. Before guns people had
In any case, yes, there were knives before guns. Again, as a tool, firearms are great. But how many people use them specifically for hunting? If you
do, great. You are exactly the type of person that I believe has every right to own them and they should never be taken away from you. Collectors,
enthusiasts... You have every right as well.
As far as people who live in major cities who stockpile firearms simply because they have small _____ size-syndrome. I could really care less if you
have your arsenal or not.
So while say "they had knives before guns!" yes, they did. But knives were no where near as effective for killing. In England and Japan where guns are
a rare sight, you will find many more stabbings than shootouts among criminals.
Technically, one could argue that point.
This however, is not a debate I feel like participating in... Because for the upteenth time, I support gun rights. I just think the arguments around
them are stupid.
edit on 2-7-2013 by boncho because: (no reason given)