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Originally posted by Jamuhn
I snoop around the LibertyForum board as well and I came across this thread that has a lot of relevant information:
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Read again... I said I doubt we're seeing all the typical neo-conservatives here.
Yes... there is "bias". But I also said my thoughts came after days of reading members responses to my posts and other threads to come to these conclusions which mirror in many ways aspects of "NWO" theory.
Originally posted by TrickmastertricK
Originally posted by edsinger
There is no conspiracy in Bush being elected, it is the will of the people.
This has nothing to do with Bush, but rather the Election Process in general. Step outside the Box and look at it as a whole. No one is looking to overturn the Election.
Originally posted by Simulacra
David Icke predicted this
Predicted, fortold, stated that the polarization of America will be great during the 2004 elections.
I just finished his 'Alice in Wonderland and 9/11'. In the beginning he states that the polarization of america is a tool by the NWO to control its people.
1:Create two sides of society: Good/Evil, Republican/Democrat, Christian/Non-Christain, Black/White, Liberal/Conservative, Conspiracist/Non-Conspiracist, Zionist/Anti-Zionist.
2:Make life really bad if you choose the 'other side': Always create conflict against the two groups. Always have opposing viewpoints. In other words, make the other side seem absolutely wrong while glorifying your half.
3:Watch our society seperate: Grounds for a civil war, creating our society into a 'police state'. Martial Law enforced giving control to the NWO.
America is no longer united. Calling half of america 'stupid' because they voted for 'the other guy' is not the way to get things accomplished.
Originally posted by Nerdling
BREAKING -- SUNDAY Nov. 7 2004: Freedom of Information requests at www.blackboxvoting.org... have unearthed two Ciber certification reports indicating that security and tamperability was NOT TESTED and that several state elections directors, a secretary of state, and computer consultant Dr. Britain Williams signed off on the report anyway, certifying it.
Originally posted by RANT
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
If we don't have a conservative conspiracy to turn the U.S. into a theocracy... what exactly do we have?
Quite true. But let's not only look where we're being told to look.
We got to this fractured point over the past 30 years by chasing bones thrown in opposite directions while ignoring who's holding the leash.
I'm not saying Rev. Moon or any one man or group literally runs this "cabal of buddies" leading us down the primrose path, but it's not just the "neo-cons" or the "evangelicals." There's any number of ideologically friendly cohorts involved, none of which are entirely on the same page, but use and influence each other just the same.
At least three factions of this "Unification" movement are identifiable in the effort, now operating toward the same globalization goal, yet with very different motivations: political, religious and naked greed.
Though we are certainly headed toward a Theocratic revolution in the US, to call that the end goal is selling this revolution short. Understatements like that are equivalent to saying Wal-Mart has an eye for expansion, Bush's foreign policy is a bit aggressive and Baptists have a problem with homosexuality.
One rallying point of import to the success of these factions, is a conspiracy that's already been sold hook, line and sinker to the mindset of "mainstream" America. It goes back to the notion of "TV screens" and the so-called liberal conspiracy to control the dialogue and education of hearts and minds. Selling this idea, which they have since Nixon, has made it palatable for the extreme opposite to take hold right in front of our faces without so much as a whimper.
I'll go further to say that the "divide and conquer" strategy of the right was made easier by the cable revolution in the 70's and left-leaning identifiable broadcasters like Ted Turner. Whether CNN was ever biased or not is not the point. But that it existed served as proof enough that the right was being persecuted. Christians were being thrown to the lions. Morals were being perverted. And mainstream America was being indoctrinated toward a post 60's agenda to which a reactionary revolution seemed as natural as Australian Rupert Murdoch pitching unapologetic "alternatives" in broadcasting along with Rev. Moon's global newspaper coup. Neither of which seem natural, but that's the whole point. They do given the framing.
The story as it's been sold is intertwined in political mythologies too numerous to document in a run on sentence (try as I might), but the theme is we're the majority, we run everything, and we're not going to take it anymore. It's all connected from feelings of religious persecution to racial, gender and sexual, with the emphasis on everything being reversed. Affirmative Action reaction. Born again intolerance. "Feminazi and homosexual" agendas. The mistrust of anyone that could potentially be smarter, more educated, more worldly. And the working man's new found identification with billionaires and corporations (That one still kills me). As does the xenophobic hate of the rest of the world so intense we have no choice but to invade them.
All points to consider when looking for logical progressions in the movement far right. It's hard to study schizophrenia in an entire population, but we're at that point.
And I agree with the time frame of study. We've been moving here for 30 years. This election was as much about the continuing reaction to Vietnam protests and the sexual revolution as anything. And the political movie of the year wasn't F911 or even Stolen Honor. It was The Passion and almost universally that point continues to be missed.
When Priests and Ministers say voting for one candidate over another is a sin (something they never would have done 30 years ago), and people don't even take notice....well, consider us all properly indoctrinated to be passive as lambs.
Christ the shephard has returned, and he's got a global agenda.
Originally posted by Simulacra Need followup...
I've been getting some pretty interesting viewpoints from people overseas. There is a meeting in on my campus this tuesday about the election. An international panel is going to be there. I have a decent camera so I will try to videotape as much as I can, with interviews shortly after.
Plaintiffs Disabled In Action of Metropolitan New York, Jovita Acosta, Tisheca Luckey and the United States appeal from judgments dated October 21, 1998 and February 23, 1999 (Frederic Block, J.) denying their motions for partial summary judgment and granting defendants' motion for partial summary judgment. Plaintiffs argued that defendants violated the National Voter Registration Act, 42 U.S.C. § 1973gg et seq., by failing to designate as mandatory "voter registration agencies" approximately 1,600 public and nongovernmental hospitals, nursing homes, clinics, community-based organizations and other offices in New York City that assist individuals with the Medicaid application process. The district court concluded that these entities need not be so designated and granted partial summary judgment in favor of defendants. For the reasons stated below, the judgments of the district court are affirmed in part, reversed in part and remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
HB 279 - R. Thomas, R. Wilkey - Gray Cigarette Bill - Provides that no person shall sell, distribute, acquire, hold, own, possess in this state, or transport for sale or distribution in this state, or import or cause to be imported in this state any cigarettes, whose contents, packaging, manufacturing, labeling, marketing or distribution does not comply with federal laws.
Following the adoption of the standards in 1990, it became evident that States were not adopting the standards. Because the federal government was not interested in the selection of qualified Independent Testing Authorities, the standards were destined to lie on a shelf, collecting dust and the hard work of developing them would have been in vain
At that time NASED was formed, and at one of their earlier meetings, discussions took place to try to develop a program that would encourage member states to adopt the standards, select and qualify testing laboratories that would not only test equipment and software, but provide reports to states which needed them as a component of their own certification process.
First, there is a misconception that NASED "certifies" voting systems. NASED's role is solely to review and qualify prospective ITA"s and provide for the review of reports by it's technical sub-committee, before they are sent to the vendors and ultimately to state ITA's and others designated by the states to receive and review same.
"Computer programmer Jim March and activist Bev Harris have filed suit in California state court against Diebold under a whistle-blowing statue. This is another in a series of blows dealt to the ailing company. March and Harris allege that Diebold 'used uncertified hardware and software, and modems that may have allowed election results to be published online before polls closed.' They are seeking full reimbursement for all of the voting machines purchased in California. March and Harris could collect up to 30% of the reimbursement, under the whistle-blower statute. In an interesting turn, the two are requesting that the state of California join the lawsuit. State officials have spent millions on the paperless touch screen machines; Alameda County has spent at least $11 million alone."
As of 7:00 am Pacific on Monday, November 8, we have 30,211 incidents recorded in EIRS, of which 1,500 are listed as a "Machine Problem". Our initial estimate is that 80% or more of the machine problems are e-voting touch screen machine problems for approximately 1,200 e-voting problems reported nationwide.
On Election Day itself, we have 20,192 incidents recorded in EIRS, of which 1,380 are listed as "Machine Problem." That means an initial estimate of approximately 1,103 e-voting touch screen machine problems reported nationwide on Election Day.
States reporting the most incident reports were:
1. Pennsylvania (3633)
2. Florida (3500)
3. California (2635)
4. Ohio (2406)
5. New York (2378)
6. Texas (2251)
7. New Jersey (1455)
8. Illinois (1370)
9. Arizona (1110)
10. Colorado (1083)
On Election Day, the same states reported the most incidents:
1. Pennsylvania (2353)
2. Florida (1784)
3. New York (1779)
4. Ohio (1658)
5. California (1625)
6. Texas (1528)
7. Illinois (980)
8. New Jersey (973)
9. Arizona (913)
10. Colorado (753)
Machine Problem Reports
States reporting the most Machine Problem incident reports were:
1. Florida (216)
2. Pennsylvania (207)
3. New York (178)
4. Ohio (164)
5. California (102)
6. Illinois (79)
7. Texas (75)
8. Louisiana (55)
9. New Jersey (54)
10. New Mexico (47)
On Election Day, the same states reported the most Machine Problem incidents:
1. Pennsylvania (207)
2. New York (178)
3. Florida (164)
4. Ohio (162)
5. California (95)
6. Illinois (79)
7. Louisiana (54)
8. New Jersey (52)
9. Texas (51)
10. New Mexico (42)
Georgia's Secretary of State, Cathy Cox, could easily be considered the official Poster Girl for Diebold Election Systems, Inc.
Her photo appears on their website alongside a glowing quotation praising them to the skies. She also loaned them the Georgia State Seal, for that "official" look. And she is defending the implementation of Direct Record Electronic (DRE) voting machines, more commonly known as touch screen voting, in the face of overwhelming evidence of security flaws and unreliable performance.
After the 2000 election debacle, Georgia invited vendors to submit proposals to take over the state's voting system -- but those bids, and the deliberations and decisions of the committee in charge of recommendations, were intentianally [sic] exempt from Georgia's "Open Records" laws.
So how do we as citizens of Georgia know how Diebold was selected from the eight bidders?
We don't. What we do know is that Diebold's chief lobbyist in Georgia just happened to be Lewis Massey, former Secretary of State -- and the former boss of Cathy Cox.
There are serious reasons to believe that the 2002 election in Georgia was not legal, for several important reasons. First of all, according to SB 213, which was state law prior to November 2002, any election system purchased and used by the state of Georgia "shall be required to have an independent audit trail for each vote cast."
The Diebold machines provide none.
Cathy Cox is widely known to be the presumptive Democratic Party nominee for the Gubernatorial race in 2006 and, as such, is being sheltered and protected by state Democrats.
In July, a team of four computer scientists at Johns Hopkins University and Rice University announced that they'd uncovered major security flaws in the machines used in Georgia's elections. "Our analysis shows that this voting system is far below even the most minimal security standards applicable in other contexts," the team wrote.
On Jan. 19, a team of computer scientists working with RABA Technologies set up a red-team exercise -- a one-day attempt to hack into Diebold machines configured as they would be on Election Day. They were successful. In a short time, the hackers managed to guess the passwords securing the voting system, allowing them to cast multiple ballots. They found that with a standard lock-pick set, they could inconspicuously open up each machine -- sometimes in less than 10 seconds -- and remove or attach various pieces of hardware, letting them erase or change electronic ballots. They concluded that Diebold's touch-screen machines contain "considerable security risks," and they suggested that Maryland put in place stringent safeguards before its March 2 primary, and that the state overhaul the system before the presidential election.
While I sat at his computer, March helped me open a file containing actual results from a March 2002 primary election held in San Luis Obispo County, Calif. -- a file that March says would be accessible to anyone who worked in the county elections office on Election Day. Following March's direction, I changed the vote count with a few clicks. Then, he explained how to alter the "audit log," erasing all evidence that we'd tampered with the results. I saved the file. If it had been a real election, I would have been carrying out an electronic coup. It was a chilling realization.
The security features installed in the Georgia voting system protect against both terrorism and election fraud, but the main emphasis is on preventing election fraud.
Computer System Security Features: The computer portion of the election system contains features that facilitate overall security of the election system. Primary among these features is a comprehensive set of audit data. For transactions that occur on the system, a record is made of the nature of the transaction, the time of the transaction, and the person that initiated the transaction. This record is written to the audit log. If an incident occurs on the system, this audit log allows an investigator to reconstruct the sequence of events that occurred surrounding the incident.
Originally posted by QuietSoul
I stumbled across this post digging through myATS..
I remember when it was all going down.. I wondered if it were rigged..
Now it seems everyone just shrugged it off.. was it ever disproven?
I'm not trying to rehash my old post, but it has a ton of info gathered by a ton of members in various threads that were popping up during the election.. I tried to gather it all into one post and get people to add to it as it was going down..
But I'm really serious here, I've been "out of the loop" here at ats for awhile and just getting back into discussion.. was the "voting fraud" ever debunked? Or did our apathetic short sighted minds put it away?