What VPN do you use to combat NSA spying?

reply to post by Arbitrageur


TOR checked up DIA about two weeks when they were looking for me in 2004. Maybe. They eventually stopped looking for me that way and went after my relationship graph, found someone I knew IRL and went after THEM. Well, that worked just fine.

Daily double!

This is the No Such Agency we're talking about here. If they're going to spy on you, there's not a whole lot to do about it other than don't use electronics.

They've the resources to break anything down that may prove useful to hide from them anything they think they need to know.

Super computers, etc...

Be careful what you say, and how you say it. It's really all you can do. Or... Do what I do, and don't give a rip. I'm not important enough for them to give a damn about. If the day ever comes that I am? I disappear as best I can...

reply to post by seagull


I used to think i wasn't important enough. I once posted a thread on ATS that is still here. I was warned off from the subject entirely. It is when I pretty much stopped writing threads altogether.

Now I am just in the peanut gallery. Apparently I started peeking behind a curtain that was off limits.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


What topic and warned off how?

I know ATS has rules that I tend to try to bend now and then LOL.. I just had to re-create a thread that got sent to the trash bin.
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The use of a VPN may not be perfect but it's better than nothing. To do nothing and not try sends a message we don't care that our government illegally spies on us.

We need better technology. I hope this causes people to create better technology for web browsing like some kind of on the fly encryption. I don't know any browser that has encryption. Everything must be masked, IP, Mac Address ect.

I personally use AirVPN, since they do not log anything, price is competitive, lots of servers to choose from to bypass country restrictions to access for example netflix, no data limit, port forwarding included, bitcoin payment option (important if you want to remain anonymous), and all types of data are allowed. Biggest selling point to me was that it is operated by activists and hacktivists in defence of net neutrality, privacy and against censorship.

Anyway, if somebody is interested in getting a VPN i would recommend reading this article first to get a better idea which VPN services do log your activity and which do not, if they share your data, etc...: VPN Services That Take Your Anonymity Seriously, 2013 Edition.

Keep in mind that a VPN that does not support bit- or lite-coin payment options are not 100% anonymous, there will always be a paper trail.

reply to post by JohnPhoenix


i've been using this- www.softether.org...

no idea if its any good though..?

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan


Which one?

You've peaked my interest.

I don't care if the NSA knows what I'm up to. I'm pretty sure that the NSA has the sort of technology that can figure out that you're hiding behind a VPN.

I pity the poor NSA analyst that gets to sort out my life.

HI THERE to whomever you are !

VPN is pointless, there have been many cases where hackers have been arrested due to VPN's handing over logs even when the VPN says they don't keep logs. There is also the fact that every junction box has optical splitters which re-route a portion of the signal straight to NSA, that there are keys built into every OS for backdoor entry, tracking malware everywhere and sophisticated NSA programs the like we've never seen.

Originally posted by Eonnn
VPN is pointless, there have been many cases where hackers have been arrested due to VPN's handing over logs even when the VPN says they don't keep logs. There is also the fact that every junction box has optical splitters which re-route a portion of the signal straight to NSA, that there are keys built into every OS for backdoor entry, tracking malware everywhere and sophisticated NSA programs the like we've never seen.

You are referring to the one lulzsec hacker and HideMyAss which is a extreme case in my eyes. If you are using a VPN to do some hacking, cracking, DDOS, etc... then i can understand why HMA started logging to help the authorities. If you are doing illegal stuff like that then don't do it via a paid service.

Also a VPN doesn't protect you against OS exploits, that is a whole different subject.

reply to post by Spinvis

There's more than just one case of it happening. Many people still get handed DMCA notices even through no logging VPN's, and media doesn't report every single case.

Good Information..

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
The subject that you speak of still interests me. It's sad that things like this have to be hidden.

I guess you won't be answering the requests to know the subject...

There have been many cases worldwide which have highlighted the importance of privacy protection tools; ranging from the Edward Snowden files to The Pirate Bay take downs. While i do not condone any illegal activity, i believe that protecting your online activities should be a human right. Choosing the right VPN can be daunting but this is where we come in. If you live in Usa and haven’t thought about expressvpn yet, then it’s high time to do so.

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When communicating using Asymmetric key encryption protocols (e.g. PGP), make sure you can actually read the source code of the implementation. That's important to make sure that the NSA or CIA did not place a "Passe-partout key" within the implementation. That means the code of your algorithm and security system should be open source and modifiable (if necessary)

originally posted by: Flanker86
That's important to make sure that the NSA or CIA did not place a "Passe-partout key" within the implementation. That means the code of your algorithm and security system should be open source and modifiable (if necessary)

Does having open source make you feel safe? Would you feel so safe that you'd run any sort of traffic you'd like without worrying about NSA or Agency interception?

eta: I'm taking a long term informal poll of people who recommend open source for this sort of thing...

Why bother? It's not in the NSA's interest to look into everyone with human resources. Data is collected that sits in a datacenter and is only sifted through besides the usual algorithms once you've already been marked as a person of interest.

I don't think the NSA cares about your porn fetish or petty barkings online. Most people are not a person of interest. Do they have files on all of us? Of course, but I bet mine isn't worth squat. Millions of weirdos in the US alone.

I know how to vpn, and setup proxy chains on public or private servers, but it got boring quick and I have no need for it.

a reply to: pl3bscheese
You're really smart.