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Why would he have the desire, let alone need to do such a thing AT ALL let alone in order to forgive beings that he created, allegedly, to be exactly as they are (as christians also say)? It makes little sense to me, what do you think? Christians/etc can you please make sense of this for me?
Originally posted by Dystopiaphiliac
IceQueen, it would be a hard time trying to make sense of organised religious documents of any kind. The bible stories were not literal, they are still not literal and they never will have been literal. That is the biggest issue between people who see the world for what it is and people who try to read the world.
I beg some people to look at the world around them, the life forms and the comple interactions of matter. After doing so, can you still believe that the events of the bible are factual?
I did not say that there is non-Christian testimony to the claims made in the Bible, I said that there is non-Christian testimony to the historical existence of the person of Jesus Christ,
That is the accepted position of almost every academic historian who has studied Christianity, apart from Richard Carrier, whom, as I said earlier, is an idiot. That he has an agenda and a career to further, and this is the particular bandwagon that he's chosen to latch onto, does not make him any less of one.
"just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."
If it can be shown that an incorporeal and reasonable being has life in itself independently of the body and that it is worse off in the body than out of it, then beyond a doubt bodies are only of secondary importance and arise from time to time to meet the varying conditions of reasonable creatures. Those who require bodies are clothed with them, and contrawise, when fallen souls have lifted themselves up to better things their bodies are once more annihilated. They are thus ever vanishing and ever reappearing.