posted on Nov, 24 2014 @ 09:47 AM
a reply to: TheIceQueen
Jesus's crucifixion is seen as a symbol of god's love and forgiveness and so on.. 'Jesus died on the cross in order for our sins to be forgiven',
etc (you get the point). What I don't understand is how and the hell that is supposed to correlate with one another in some sort of way that
christians discuss and view as being perfectly logical or something? Has it ever struck anyone that it makes no logical sense what so ever?
This entire concept of modern Christianity has been distorted. The first century Christians had a different understanding than most do today. Let me
start with before the death of Jesus. It was the doctrine of Jesus that all people would enter Sheol at the time of their death. As the soul would
die the spirit of that soul would still retain its consciousness and enter one of many divisions of Sheol. The spirits were separated in Sheol as to
their worth. The bad from the good but regardless all were prisoners in Sheol. At this point no one had entered the celestial third heaven.
The salvation message now comes into play. When Christians say that Jesus came to save them it is looked at in two forms. Foremost is the fact that
Christians should understand that Jesus came to deliver the worthy spirits from Sheol and into the kingdom of heaven (God). This is the kingdom that
He preached and yet never revealed during His ministry. This was to become His new covenant. This new covenant was to be shown after he shed His
blood. All blood covenants were understood as being life giving because life was in the blood.
As Christ Jesus then died He reveled His Kingdom of God as being the heavenly celestial city of New Jerusalem. New Jerusalem is located in the third
heaven and is not of this world. As Jesus and His two companions were dieing Jesus promised the one companion that he would be in paradise with Him
the same day that both of them would die. This promise was that both would be in paradise that same day they died. Most bibles show paradise as
mentioned three time. This explains that paradise is in the third heaven, has the water and tree of life, and is located in New Jerusalem. The first
Christians believed that death was not an unconscious state of existence.
The entire message of Christ Jesus was to revels His kingdom, bring the captives out of captivity with a new covenant. In effect He became the
governor that pardoned those who were in Sheol and gave them celestial life. Thus the word save or salvation. The message became twisted by religion
as to have an altogether different approach which left out the kingdom of God (heaven). This was to satisfy the pagan practices of the Roman world.
The doctrine of Jesus is not the same doctrine as rabbinic doctrine. The doctrine of Jesus is that as a soul dies, that spirit of the dead soul is
judged immediately. The soul can only die the one physical death and its elements return to its source. The spirit is immediately judged and
sentenced to either Sheol or New Jerusalem. The spirit in Sheol is a naked spirit while the spirit in heaven is a clothed spirit. The clothed spirit
in heaven is believed to be the Shekinah glory of a new celestial body or garment of purity. It was the belief of the first Christians that this
heavenly body would sustain life from the tree of life and water of life and live forever in New Jerusalem.
This only touches on the doctrine of Jesus but is shown here only to explain that the Christian salvation message of today is far different than that
of the first century Christians. In true Christianity they do not understand that everyone in graves will rise up in the last day. That is
rabbinical teaching. The first Christians understanding is that as each one of us dies, that one is immediately rewarded or punished as a fully
conscious spirit. The spirit is sentenced and the judgment is then carried out immediately. We then have a future tradition as to one world wide
gathering and judgment, a one thousand years return of the Christ, and then the final gathering of all people who are alive at that time of the end.
You are correct in that it does not make sense the hundreds of teachings of today. The NT is quite confusing in that it actually contains much
rabbinic theology and Christ Jesus' theology combined. It is actually a transition from rabbinic to Christian philosophy. Most seminaries today
will teach an altogether different approach as to the meaning of salvation as compared to first century Christianity.